The Vault Comparative Grow, in association with Mephisto Genetics - Heisenberg Special Autos

bertaluchi · May 11, 2016

I grow in organic coco/perlite TLO style in 5 gal. fabric pots. You may well be able to take the hours down like @whitebb2727 said in flower but for the entire grow it really hurt the yield. I'm talking like less than a half Oz per plant. When I can usually squeeze about 3 Oz per plant on average.

bertaluchi · May 11, 2016

And I don't count days, I let the plant tell me when she is finished. They were done.

whitebb2727 · May 11, 2016

bertaluchi said:
I grow in organic coco/perlite TLO style in 5 gal. fabric pots. You may well be able to take the hours down like @whitebb2727 said in flower but for the entire grow it really hurt the yield. I'm talking like less than a half Oz per plant. When I can usually squeeze about 3 Oz per plant on average.

I don't really reccomend it. I've done it a few times when I vegged photos at the same time. Small cab I had to flip the autos with it.

whitebb2727 · May 11, 2016

Filling in nice. It is clear which one is the dinafem amnesia.

I'm really impressed with these Heisenbergs.

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! · May 11, 2016

@bertaluchi damn bro thats shitty im doin it more as a comparison cuz i was just thinking bout it one day an wanted to see ive done autos from start to end in 12/12 yield was bout 1.5oz still low but not half oz ..so everyone a fresh rooted clone thrown to 12-12 a photo started from seed in 12-12 or an auto 12/12 from seed who do you think will win ? :clap:

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! · May 11, 2016

@whitebb2727 those babies look great! Ill have to take some pics my next watering without the leds

whitebb2727 · May 11, 2016

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! said:
@whitebb2727 those babies look great! Ill have to take some pics my next watering without the leds

Thank you. I gave them a little molasses their last watering.

Frajola · May 11, 2016

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! said:
@bertaluchi what medium and size pot you use? Usually in 12/12 you just flower a bit longer

I got soil mix w perlite and some amendments into a 5gl, I do use nutes but nothing crazy, the plants are 40 days old and showed sex today. The whole damn thing is under 2 x 600w hps+mh. I'm worried about my photos, its time to go bloom u know , that's why I wonder if my 3 autos could have a ride on 12/12 along w photos, and this freak summer is getting closer and closer damn.... has to go! 12/12 night run. Soon.

thanks mate
peace.

Frajola · May 11, 2016

whitebb2727 said:
Let me just say

I haven't run autos 12/12 from start but I have flipped them to 12/12 after they stretch along with photo plants. It hurts yield a little. There is still a point you can flip an auto to 12/12 with little loss of yield.

huh ..I guess I will wait a week or 10 days and then flip 12/12. I need some sh.. to smoke while I wait the photos. lol

bertaluchi · May 11, 2016

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! said:
@bertaluchi damn bro thats shitty im doin it more as a comparison cuz i was just thinking bout it one day an wanted to see ive done autos from start to end in 12/12 yield was bout 1.5oz still low but not half oz ..so everyone a fresh rooted clone thrown to 12-12 a photo started from seed in 12-12 or an auto 12/12 from seed who do you think will win ?

I think your best bet is the clone

bertaluchi · May 11, 2016

And yeah my plants of amisia auto from dinafem produced on average about 16 grams according to my notes. Just over a half Oz per plant at 12/12. This is under 400 Watts HPS with 125 watt feliz CFL. TLO style which may not yield as much as synthetic nutes but I truly believe that it is of a higher quality than most other bud.

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! · May 11, 2016

Im goong with the 12/12 photo whic is jack straw so far the clone has more early bud production so you may be right @bertaluchi

GuyLeDuche · May 12, 2016

Yea after a week or so the clone will be rooted and have a couple nodes, most seeds will just have their first true leaves by then. Not to mention the seeds are still genetic children so will need about 3 weeks just to sex while the clone is technically the same age as the mom...

WestDenverPioneer · May 12, 2016

whitebb2727 said:
They are known to put heavy metals in their products.

It's not that they put metals in, it is that they do not remove it, nor do they remove medications that are mixed in with the urea. Why are there medications in their mixes? From recycling port-o-potties and other waste products. The source of their products are "dirty".

Cannabis is an accumulator plant. Cannabis should not be grown in Miracle Grow.

Keep it food-grade, guys. Keep it safe.

bertaluchi · May 12, 2016

So I put my seedlings along with their rockwool cubes into 16oz party cups today. They are looking very happy in the Summit Grow Lab. When the show their sex I will transplant them to their final pot which will be 3 gallon grow bags for this run.

whitebb2727 · May 12, 2016

WestDenverPioneer said:
It's not that they put metals in, it is that they do not remove it, nor do they remove medications that are mixed in with the urea. Why are there medications in their mixes? From recycling port-o-potties and other waste products. The source of their products are "dirty".

Cannabis is an accumulator plant. Cannabis should not be grown in Miracle Grow.

Keep it food-grade, guys. Keep it safe.

Same thing. If they don't remove it they are putting it in their mix.

I doubt any of the other synthetic companies are either. If not organic then no telling what's in it.

Hell, even if its omri listed no telling what's in it. I don't know why people think omri is organic.

Omri even states on their website they are just a listing company.

Mg is even omri listed on their natures care line.

Omri has inspectors. The inspector that comes out to my place might allow something that another inspector might not allow at yours, even if its the same product.

whitebb2727 · May 12, 2016

So I have been spraying a branch on the dinafem plant. I have yet to see pollen sacs.

I poured ms cs back into a jar. This time I added an air stone and using a higher voltage charger.

Apparently, according to my research, if not using and air stone the silver particles can be too big.

If this doesn't work I'm going to order the stuff to make silver thiosulfate.

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! · May 12, 2016

@whitebb2727 why not just use the rodelization method if trying to create fems ? Lil update

whitebb2727 · May 12, 2016

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! said:
View attachment 3679839 @whitebb2727 why not just use the rodelization method if trying to create fems ? Lil update

The rodelization method requires good timing. Pollen is only viable for a short time. I could freeze it but that doesn't always work. I would need to stagger my plants.

Not all strains will throw nanners if left to over ripen. I suppose I could leave a few buds on a couple plants and set them to the side under some cfl to see if they throw nanners.

Cs is iffy on working. Sts is a better option.

I'll try all three and see which works for me.

Have you used rodelization before?

Dear ol" Thankful Grower! · May 12, 2016

@whitebb2727 yes i really like that method because you can push your plants till they really swell up and its safe to smoke and nanners i would let em hit everything pollen best at up to 6months

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