Hey now, Germany started to get some of their gold, but of course the Fed said it would take 20 years to ship it all back. Apparently the Fed doesn't actually have it all.Don't forget that the Federal Reserve banks "mind" other country's gold, just don't expect to he able to withdraw it this decade
The War on Cash Escalates: The Goal Is to Force You to Deposit Cash and Charge You Interest
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Padawanbater2
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I would rather have a public education system than not, do you know how many more fundamental religious nutjobs we would have if they weren't required to attend school or attended exclusively private school? I don't want some religious parent to band together with other religious parents and put pressure on the school my kid goes to to remove important things religious nutjobs oppose, I actually enjoy the fact that the government restricts mandatory religious teaching in public schools, I actually approve of holding students across the nation to equal standards of learning.
You think anything the government does is forced, you don't approve of the institution itself. I think it's safe to say I already know your position on most things posted in this section; GOVERNMENT: BAD! So what's the point of saying the same thing over in each different thread. We end up having the exact same conversation, you say the same thing, I say the same thing..
Rob Roy
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Not quite. Coercion based government is bad. COERCION = bad.
Are you going to defend coercion? Why? Isn't that method of getting what you want the same one that thugs, thieves etc use? Why would you want to be against that behavior only some of the time and for it sometimes? Shouldn't you be against it all the time?
Padawanbater2
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Describe an effective model of government you feel is not based on coercion
I don't think someone robbing you at gunpoint is the same as a government taxing citizens for necessary projects, like funding infrastructure or medical technology or NASA, etc. In the first scenario, you hand over your wallet or you get shot; definitely coercion. In the second scenario you have the complete and total ability to move outside of the US, relinquish your citizenship and never have to pay a cent to the US government again; not coercion. You have choices, you might not believe they're legitimate or effective choices, but that doesn't mean everybody else does. You also have the option not to buy property if you don't want to pay property taxes, nobody is forcing you to buy goods/services, so nobody is forcing you to pay the sales tax.. Taxation comes after your choices, not before. You don't even have to pay an income tax if you don't want to, you can't have a legitimate job, but nobody is forcing you to pay income taxes.
Iloveskywalkerog
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Some people pay taxes so that they can become weird people who sit on top of a single piller 1000 ft above an area of the Pacific Ocean that has an abundance of sharks, drinking a bottle of pine sol, slowly becoming more and more sick until finally one day their eyes roll completely to the back of their heads their heart locks up and they fall into the ocean where they are devoured, I never understood why somebody would do something so irrational and stupid.
Rob Roy
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I think you just tried to say two things at once.
First you say coercion is necessary, then you say it is minimal or isn't "really coercion".
Rob Roy
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DId you say Pinesol? That shit is great!!
Padawanbater2
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I said one is coercion; robbing you at gunpoint, one isn't; taxing you for using goods/services/land/etc.
One has a choice, the other doesn't
Can you describe an effective model of government you feel is not based on coercion?
UncleBuck
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what's the least coercive way to kick someone out of a store based on their skin color?
Rob Roy
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It's not coercive to control your own property or body is it?
It IS coercive to make somebody interact with you though isn't it?
Also, you are a meathead, a Poopy Pants Meathead.
Wow, that is the most wrong and stupid argument ever!
You have no clue just how difficult and expensive relinquishing your citizenship and moving to another country is. You're gonna need $50,000 just to get the ball rolling.
Rob Roy
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Your example has some pretty big flaws. I'm a little lazy now, but I could probably poke holes thru it pretty easily. Maybe I will later or tomorrow or maybe I'll just let it age for awhile and come back and toss it around.
Padawanbater2
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Last I checked it's not illegal to acquire $50,000
Padawanbater2
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Looking forward to it
CenkTripper
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The current monetary systems around the world are based on fraud, what do you expect? One alternative is to use crypto currencies and barter economy.
One day people will realize that money is worthless if you don't accept it to use as a trading tool. And you can barter anything by negotiating directly between each other, without any interest, money or credit limit.
One day people will realize that money is worthless if you don't accept it to use as a trading tool. And you can barter anything by negotiating directly between each other, without any interest, money or credit limit.
Good, now you can travel to another country so that you can live there for a year (While paying US and the new country taxes at the same time) then you will need to buy property in this other country. Then you will need to secure a passport from this other country because if you don't have one when you leave the USA you will not be able to ever leave the airport. Then you can work on your citizenship in this other country until you finally do all the paperwork and have all the exit interviews and actually relinquish US citizenship.
Good luck with all that, average cost of giving up citizenship takes 4 years and nearly $200,000
Easy, right?
So easy that poor people can do it, right?
Red1966
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I get (almost no) interest on checking and savings.
Red1966
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Neither is a choice. Just being born is subject to taxes. Robbers don't rob you every day. Taxes do.
Padawanbater2
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So where in all of that is the freedom of choice eliminated?
So you are perfectly fine with only those people with means being able to remove themselves from the USA?
In one thread you are all about everyone getting a living wage, or at least better than they get now. In the other you argue that only people who can afford several hundred thousand dollars is perfectly fine and equitable.
You think all those min wage workers got an extra $200k layin around or something? That isn't a choice.