There is a protest going on right now at my local chick fil a

missnu said:

Explain the Jews... The Jewish people were slaves for hundreds of years...as soon as they weren't slaves they got to work building a life for themselves and their people, in the middle of the goddamn desert with nothing more than what they had with them...and look at them now. Black people were freed into a land full of possibilities and yet they got nothing and nowhere...Why?

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Its taken thousands of years for the Jews to have what they have now. THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And you expect blacks to achieve the same success in what? 150 years?

Kaendar said:

I mean if gays want to be gay then fuck it, thats their business, I dont think anybody has the right to stop them. But, forcing ppls young children to be exposed to their lifestyle at young ages isnt right.

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you're still working from the premise that there is something wrong with homosexual expressions and behaviors. that's why you feel a need to "protect" young children from witnessing different lifestyle choices. however, you overstep your civil bounds by defining right and wrong behavior according to precepts that are religiously derived. No one is advocating to allow homosexuals to behave lewdly or have public sexual encounters. Furthermore, it is wrong for a government to privilege a specific religious doctrine like marriage. We reward people who get married out of an archaic belief that marriage provides a stable building block for social order. The real reform that needs to take place is not the "legalization of gay marriage" but rather the removal of benefits, incentives, and privileges surrounding the legal contract commonly referred to as a marriage. This is a separation of church and state issue more than anything; it is only couched in hateful rhetoric that presupposes there is something "Wrong" with anyone who exhibits behavior that indicates a choice in lifestyle contrary to the mainstream.

Before you retort that i don't know you and don't know what your reasoning is for thinking homosexual behavior is wrong or damaging for children, pause for a moment and ask yourself why it is you can make the statement that its only ok to be gay in private...its linked, i'm sure, to the same reason most comments in this thread start off with "im not gay but"...why do we feel this need to dissociate or distance ourselves from "being gay?;" yet, we equally insist there isnt anything wrong with it (so long as i don't have to witness the fact that you, the hypothetical gay person, exist). So, while i can't know your personal religious conviction, i can definitely isolate the cultural effects and influences of the dominant religion informing American culture (protestant Christianity) which have filtered into your comments.

on the larger issue being discussed, its been said a bunch: no one is sure why chik fil a felt the need to come out with a statement claiming their support for "traditional" marriage (which, by some historically informed accounts, means they stand for the use of women as chattel, so, feminists, where the fuck are we on this?). If you're with them on this stance, you're likely to support them. If you're against them, they'll probably lose your business. Personally, i think (quite cynically, i admit) this is just a way for chik fil a to get some free advertising when a politically active period of media coverage is ramping up for the us election in november. they're wrongheaded in their thinking, but i'll defend to the death their right to voice their ignorance, as i will defend the right for the rest of us to criticize and poke holes in their stances quite publically, AND PEACEFULLY
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Kaendar said:

Hold on, im a black freedom militant.. the shackles arent on my wrist anymore. I was blessed with the intelligence to realize what the hell was going on in society from a young age. I dont sell drugs or any of that, I said fuck your 9 to 5 minimum wage job and fuck your flawed education system, im gonna be my own boss. Im talking about the ppl that are still stuck in the cycle and havent gotten out. Obviously if I have the key im not going to remain shackled... silly bear.

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But you keep defending the people that are still stuck in the circle of their own making...
You made your bed now lie in it.

guy incognito said:

I asked a specific question from a specific comment of yours.



According to who? What exactly leads you to this conclusion? Please provide justification.

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... 2 dumb ass young ppl can get married in vegas and I dont find their marriage valid. Somebody can have an arranged marriage and I dont find that valid.. Im not saying that only straight couples can get married.. Its a priviledge that has to be earned

missnu said:

I feel like the whole world is just a crock of shit we all have to wade through until blissful death catches up to us.

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you should read some samuel beckett, i think you'll find it jives well with your pov and maybe even get some fun out of it

Kaendar said:

Hold on, im a black freedom militant.. the shackles arent on my wrist anymore. I was blessed with the intelligence to realize what the hell was going on in society from a young age. I dont sell drugs or any of that, I said fuck your 9 to 5 minimum wage job and fuck your flawed education system, im gonna be my own boss. Im talking about the ppl that are still stuck in the cycle and havent gotten out. Obviously if I have the key im not going to remain shackled... silly bear.

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And yet you utterly embrace and celebrate the culture of victimhood and blaming the Man. That can be forgiven as the folly of youth, but it's not a good place to stay. Consider missnu's post about the Jews after WWII. Did they cry out about retribution? No. First they built, no matter what country they were in. Take that militant spirit and apply it toward building. Throughout history that has been the effective path away from oppression, real, imagined, or the blend. cn

Kaendar said:

Its taken thousands of years for the Jews to have what they have now. THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And you expect blacks to achieve the same success in what? 150 years?

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The Jews were doing better as soon as the shackles were off..they went somewhere that their aggressors were not and started a whole new life. their own peaceful place...they didn't try to rise against Egypt...they were glad to be out.
They didn't let past wrongs influence their present and future...They said of shit that was terrible, now let's go build a bank...they didn't start throwing rocks at every egyptian person they saw as retribution or payback...

missnu said:

But you keep defending the people that are still stuck in the circle of their own making...
You made your bed now lie in it.

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You have missed the point if you think the circle is of their own making.. hold on, im gonna find some links that can explain better.

And after WWII they did the same...
they said, jeez that was terrible, and started rebuilding what they had...
when you spend your whole existence trying to get back at someone for something they did you aren't living your own life...

Kaendar said:

You have missed the point if you think the circle is of their own making.. hold on, im gonna find some links that can explain better.

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I mean now...the circle that black America is stuck in is their own fault...
People cite how most prisoners are black...but more perpetrators of crimes are statistically black...is that the white man's fault? No it isn't...you have been free to make a way for yourself...You have failed. Should have made a jewish friend.

Kaendar said:

Its taken thousands of years for the Jews to have what they have now. THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And you expect blacks to achieve the same success in what? 150 years?

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Actually, most of them started with zip-a-rino after WWII. I grew up in a fairly affluent mostly-Jewish neighborhood, and one family's story after the other, told over a table of nice but new things, was of indigent grandparents or parents coming on the boat with the shirts on their backs.

And they did it within thirty years. This myth doesn't wash. cn

missnu said:

The Jews were doing better as soon as the shackles were off..they went somewhere that their aggressors were not and started a whole new life. their own peaceful place...they didn't try to rise against Egypt...they were glad to be out.
They didn't let past wrongs influence their present and future...They said of shit that was terrible, now let's go build a bank...they didn't start throwing rocks at every egyptian person they saw as retribution or payback...

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Where are blacks going to go? When we were released from slavery, we had our cultures and heritage beaten out of us.. we had no education and hardly any skills.. its like releasing a house trained animal into the wild and expecting it to survive.

cannabineer said:

Actually, most of them started with zip-a-rino after WWII. I grew up in a fairly affluent mostly-Jewish neighborhood, and one family's story after the other, told over a table of nice but new things, was of indigent grandparents or parents coming on the boat with the shirts on their backs. This myth doesn't wash. cn

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Im saying, from the time they left egypt till now being succesful and extremely greedy people... thousands of years.

Kaendar said:

... 2 dumb ass young ppl can get married in vegas and I dont find their marriage valid. Somebody can have an arranged marriage and I dont find that valid.. Im not saying that only straight couples can get married.. Its a priviledge that has to be earned

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So I asked a specific question asking you to justify your statements, and you retort with more hatred.

This discussion is over. I am out of this thread. Kaendar is full of insidious hate. You are a rotten person.

Kaendar said:

Where are blacks going to go? When we were released from slavery, we had our cultures and heritage beaten out of us.. we had no education and hardly any skills.. its like releasing a house trained animal into the wild and expecting it to survive.

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Except you are forgetting one thing...black people existed in Africa before the US...they did their won things....they fed themselves and took care of what they needed to...So you are talking about taking a wild animal, keeping it as a pet, and then letting it go again......so that animal should be able to live on it's own again...it should still remember...

missnu said:

Except you are forgetting one thing...black people existed in Africa before the US...they did their won things....they fed themselves and took care of what they needed to...So you are talking about taking a wild animal, keeping it as a pet, and then letting it go again......so that animal should be able to live on it's own again...it should still remember...

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I just laughed so hard. Do you not understand that any thought of independence was beaten out of slaves? Any mention of religion or culture from Africa was beaten out of slaves! Slaves were beaten to the point that they hated the idea of Africa, and eventually they forgot about it entirely.

at the risk of exposing a historical lack within your epistemology, Kaendar, were all american slaves taken against their will from their points of origin in africa? this is a factual question about the history of american slavery, so, according to your claims, you should know the answer.

The cycle is created by blacks? How is this true when employers are 50% more likely to hire a white man with a criminal record than a black man without one. How can the cycle be stopped if a black man cant even get a job as easy as everyone else??

Read this, it explains better and in much better detail than I can.-
http://revcom.us/a/144/BNQ-en.html

Kaendar said:

Im saying, from the time they left egypt till now being succesful and extremely greedy people... thousands of years.

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Not greedy...sensible. They are sensible...they don't worry about things they can't change, and they work with whoever they have to to improve their lives and the lives of their families...
I think it is a strong sense of self that Jewish people had and blacks never did...Not in Africa, not in America.

Dr.J20 said:

at the risk of exposing a historical lack within your epistemology, Kaendar, were all american slaves taken against their will from their points of origin in africa? this is a factual question about the history of american slavery, so, according to your claims, you should know the answer.

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Are you implying that some slaves simply signed up to be shackled in the bottom of a ship for 2 weeks and taken to a completely new place??