There Is No Devil.

pot scott

pot scott

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CrackerJax said:
Jernni Jenni, so confused....

Yes, the Bible has many authors.... ANONYMOUS authors.... who's words are GOSPEL...:lol: sounds a bit ridiculous, no? Try passing that off today.

BUT, and it's a big one Jenni, BUT the church is the one that has done ALL the editing, compiling, throwing out (?), of the Gospels...... so I stand by my post. It is not relevant how many different authors if it is all being controlled by ONE agent, the church, who just coincidentally has amassed a HUGE fortune with that CONTROL. Wake up jenni.....

The Essene scrolls prove MY point Jenni. How hard is it for you to understand? There is NO RECORD of Jesus in the Essene scrolls. That doesn't help you dear. It works AGAINST your argument....:roll: In a very damning way as well.

I have already knocked down your sources, which again have been funneled through the church and rewriting of history has already been established by many scholars. The church has been found guilty of this many times, and yet, you believe each rewrite. Why not though, you accept the VERSION of the Bible, no?

I dare say, you will never see the true Bible....

You don't seem to know the history of what you believe in...

Everything about Jesus died with him (supposedly died,existed). All that great stuff and momentous occasions and POOF...no more religion after his death. Nothing about anything for DECADES. Then a guy named Saul, who never met jesus, writes all of this stuff about a new religion. He never heard of mary, he never heard of the Nativity, he never heard of miracles, never heard of the entrance into Jerusalem.....amazing lack of recall, and yet..... (to be continued)
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just face it, jesus was an alien/human hybrid who possesed extra terrestrial powers
 
CrackerJax

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Since any entity of this universe must obey physics.....I must disagree. The miracles are outside the universal laws, so it is safe to conclude they never happened. Notice how none happen today?

Just walk around and try and start a new religion using the Jesus model..... see what happens to you. Padded room is all you will receive. Back then, nutty stories were accepted. They didn't know what nutrition was, nor vitamins. hallucinations were considered REAL....:roll:
 
fish601

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fish601

fish601

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CrackerJax said:
The miracles are outside the universal laws, so it is safe to conclude they never happened. Notice how none happen today?
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May i ask you how you know that none happen today? I will answer for you..
You dont know :)
How can you know? I dont even know what goes on at my neighbors house much less what goes on all around the world
 
CrackerJax

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fish601 said:
May i ask you how you know that none happen today? I will answer for you..
You dont know :)
How can you know? I dont even know what goes on at my neighbors house much less what goes on all around the world
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So, in light of the accepted fact that both you and I cannot KNOW what is going on somewhere else.... outrageous stories should be given the highest scrutiny. Religion abhors scrutiny and always end up saying...."you can't question my faith", or "it's all based on faith". Now I don't have a problem with the faith bit. I do have a problem with people who try to pass off the Bible as a historical document. It is not. And without the Bible, there is no Jesus. Heck, he was forgotten, even according TO the Bible, pretty much as soon as he died. In the end Jesus' movement (one of many by many others) was a failure. Certainly Saul did not represent jesus well, but unfortunately for believers is the main foundation of text from which all the other gospels spring forth. It forced the FUTURE gospel authors to inject Jesus (complete hearsay or plain made up) back into the gospels.

But it was Saul's version which Constantine adopted. Old Constantine knew a good slave religion when he saw it. Christianity just calls out for people to bend over and take it. Of course the early church didn't stress love too much...more like fire and brimstone to gain control...at any cost.

So you end up with a religion born from authoritarian rule, coupled with a text which is half stolen and the rest made up! There's not one original idea in the Bible.

Besides, none of you REALLY follow the Bible...so it's all a moot point. :sad:
 
fish601

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CrackerJax said:
So, in light of the accepted fact that both you and I cannot KNOW what is going on somewhere else.... outrageous stories should be given the highest scrutiny. Religion abhors scrutiny and always end up saying...."you can't question my faith", or "it's all based on faith". Now I don't have a problem with the faith bit. I do have a problem with people who try to pass off the Bible as a historical document. It is not. And without the Bible, there is no Jesus. Heck, he was forgotten, even according TO the Bible, pretty much as soon as he died. In the end Jesus' movement (one of many by many others) was a failure. Certainly Saul did not represent jesus well, but unfortunately for believers is the main foundation of text from which all the other gospels spring forth. It forced the FUTURE gospel authors to inject Jesus (complete hearsay or plain made up) back into the gospels.

But it was Saul's version which Constantine adopted. Old Constantine knew a good slave religion when he saw it. Christianity just calls out for people to bend over and take it. Of course the early church didn't stress love too much...more like fire and brimstone to gain control...at any cost.

So you end up with a religion born from authoritarian rule, coupled with a text which is half stolen and the rest made up! There's not one original idea in the Bible.

Besides, none of you REALLY follow the Bible...so it's all a moot point. :sad:
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You can put your own twist on anything and thats fine. you are saying they did it i am saying you are doing it.

as far as none of you REALLY follow the Bible i totally agree with you.
you cant look at a christian and judge the bible or his God

You said " I do have a problem with people who try to pass off the Bible as a historical document. It is not."
Can YOU tell me if these are historical documents?

http://www.carm.org/christianity/bible/can-we-trust-new-testament-historical-document





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CrackerJax

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So if you admit you are not following the Bible.... then what ARE you following? THE book says quite clearly that any deviation from it is FALSE. So?..... you just follow what you are told? From what source?

There is a big difference between having a book with contemporary dates and places in it and a HISTORICAL reference. The book "Gone With The Wind" took place with names and places familiar to us all as well. No one considers it to be a historical reference. Heck, we even actually kNOW who wrote it too!
 
wm2009

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THe history has been wrote by the winners... always...
Pure historical facts does not exist on any book
 
CrackerJax

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wm2009 said:
THe history has been wrote by the winners... always...
Pure historical facts does not exist on any book
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The Bible is not a history book....period. It was never written by the authors as such. Christianity is a hijacked religion in every sense of the word. Besides, even a mediocre history book has verifiable data. the Bible has NONE!! Not a history book. Just a very scary reflection of a pre science desert tribe.

wm2009 said:
Would not be so sure.....
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Then you need to get back to school. I'm sure....
 
wm2009

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CrackerJax said:
The Bible is not a history book....period. It was never written by the authors as such. Christianity is a hijacked religion in every sense of the word. Besides, even a mediocre history book has verifiable data. the Bible has NONE!! Not a history book. Just a very scary reflection of a pre science desert tribe.
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Maybe.
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CrackerJax

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Fine...shuffle off. Einstein's theory of relativity works within the laws of physics. Uhhh, where did you get your education?
 
CrackerJax

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Yes, and they are all within the laws of physics..... that is not to say that all the answers are in yet, they aren't. That's the WONDERFUL thing about science. But so far, science has a set of laws which are immutable. That's why "miracles" don't occur.

Outrageous claims demand outrageous proof. One of the MANY reasons why Christianity falls on its face.
 
wm2009

wm2009

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CrackerJax said:
Yes, and they are all within the laws of physics..... that is not to say that all the answers are in yet, they aren't. That's the WONDERFUL thing about science. But so far, science has a set of laws which are immutable. That's why "miracles" don't occur.

Outrageous claims demand outrageous proof. One of the MANY reasons why Christianity falls on its face.
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don't forget about evolution...
 
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