I have never tried that method of controlling humidity but seems like it could work. A quick read about using glycerol to control rh is a closed environment says it can work but may take some dialing in. Only way to find out is to try I suppose.What do you think about my approach using glycerol and an airpump to control humidity? The pump is controlled by humidity and it works quite quick. I have to harvest in the next days weeks and I want to have steady drying at 17C and 55-60% RH. Any concerns? Thanks
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yes i will be glad to report the process and I will start in some days.I have never tried that method of controlling humidity but seems like it could work. A quick read about using glycerol to control rh is a closed environment says it can work but may take some dialing in. Only way to find out is to try I suppose.
I think 62f and an rh of 55-65% should work well. What I don’t know is how fast the glycerol will pull humidity out of the cooler, so that is where the dialing in will have to be done. If it pulls it out too fast your dry time may be very short, like in a compressor fridge. If you can accurately control it then you can just bring it slowly down same a with a dehumidifier. You don’t need to hang dry first IF the glycerol takes out enough humidity. When using the dehumidifier in the first few days it takes out a couple cups of water. I'm not sure how that will effect the glycerol.yes i will be glad to report the process and I will start in some days.
I tested the setup with a bunch of oregano leaves and with the aquarium-airpump it was quite easy to hit the humidity numbers. However as you see i added a second cpu-ventilator in order to have no humidity gradient. What I fear is mold...
So therefore I don't want to setup a super slow ramp..
Would you say 16-17°C (62F) is cold enough and then humidity may 55-65 or 55-60? I want to have a decent drying phase. Would you still dry for 24 in the tent? I would like to avoid that since I would pre-harvest some flowers earlier then others so my tent is then blocked for this period of time.
What is your recommendation for the racks, would you just place the buds on the existings once or adding something ontop like silicon mats or whatever? Or your metal once? Sorry I'm from germany, missing some words here and there
Thanks alot for your support buddy, I will give it back with a nice report to show may an alternative to the dehumidifier setups
I’m going to try and answer a few of your questions.I'm jumping on this band wagon! My equipment is arriving tomorrow and the build will begin on Saturday. Harvest is 2 weeks away. I've tried to go through most of the pages and had a few questions since its seems you all have learned and improved over time. And thank you up front for this wealth of information and any guidance you can provide!!
Thanks growmies!
- What method have you found to provide the best outcome from a product perspective? Temp setting and RH starting setting right after trimming and when do you start to lower the RH and by how much? I'd like to go for a slow dry and partial cure before putting into grove bags and leaving those on the bottom of the koolatrol.
- Which controller do you recommend? I ordered the inkbird wifi model but I do like the idea of having Temp, RH and VDP on my phone.
- Do you cover the glass? I've always kept my jars in a dark environment as light can speed up degradation but I did see the glass blocks UV. Is that enough? I was considering covering the glass but then I have to open it to check progress... thoughts?
- Any other gotchas?
Thank you @Hook Daddy! Did you see my other question? In my dehumidifier (looked like yours but a different brand.. already had it) There was an extra board with two wires that connected to a resister. I'm thinking it was used to turn the light on that showed it was actually dehumidifying. I pulled the resister and wires to break it down like you did. It seems to be working. I'm hoping I didn't remove some safety feature like a cutoff when its overheating. Thoughts?I’m going to try and answer a few of your questions.
1. I have found that an initial temp setting of 55f and an rh setting of 76% with a difference value of 1%is a good place to start. Then drop by .5% rh the first 4 days, then 1% after that. With those settings I have yet to run into any issues, just make sure to check the drain tray, it will fill with water the first few days. I plan on eventually raising mine a bit and changing out the drain tray, it’s just not on my priority list since it’s easy to just mop it up with a few paper towels.
2. I recommend the Wi-Fi Inkbird, but only because that is what I have and have used. There are several others here that use the ac infinity controller with the same success, really any humidity controller should work. It’s more what you have I suppose. If you want to see VPD without looking at a chart the ac infinity may be the way to go.
3. I did not cover the glass, but have thought about it. The door does have a uv blocking coating so should be fine, and I always put a hygrometer or two inside just to double check the Inkbird, so being able to see inside has led me to not cover the glass. I don’t have the cooler in direct light anyhow.
Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
I don’t think it had any overheating safety feature, if it is working you should be fine. It was probably to light the led like you said.Thank you @Hook Daddy! Did you see my other question? In my dehumidifier (looked like yours but a different brand.. already had it) There was an extra board with two wires that connected to a resister. I'm thinking it was used to turn the light on that showed it was actually dehumidifying. I pulled the resister and wires to break it down like you did. It seems to be working. I'm hoping I didn't remove some safety feature like a cutoff when its overheating. Thoughts?
Awesome. Then I should be able to complete the build today when the fridge arrives and start my baking soda and test runs before I harvest in a week or two. Thanks again! This is gonna be sweet!I don’t think it had any overheating safety feature, if it is working you should be fine. It was probably to light the led like you said.
Yes, it did read like that Hook, but glad you clarified. I also am not using your method of constantly changing humidity setpoints. I am using a ac infinity pro, and set my vpd to .8kpa, and let the controller do what the controller does automatically, and so far so good. I am on day 5 of dry, and using a moisture meter. I am at about 15, with 10 to 12 being my goal before bagging.I am glad you got the home assistant to work, don’t get me wrong, it’s another tool people can use to make this work. I have a feeling it can be a lot more programmable to control more variables, I’m not that familiar with it. I wasn’t bashing your success at all and rereading my post it may seem that way. I was trying to suggest if you know how build in the function to control length of dry as well.
The point of changing humidity setpoints is to let it do a slow dry over force drying. But if it works for you, none of this is set in stone.Yes, it did sound like that Hook, but glad you clarified. I also am not using your method of constantly changing humidity setpoints. I am using a ac infinity pro, and set my vpd, and let the controller do what the controller does automatically, and so far so good. I am on day 5 of dry, and using a moisture meter. I am at about 15, with 10 to 12 being my goal before bagging.
you might want to consider putting a couple fuses on your constant current power supply outputs, if you have a device failure it could dump the entire load onto a wire. and if the wire is thin it could be to many amps and melt ur shit.I finished wiring up my "Hookatrol". Thought I'd post a pic before I put the back cover on after letting it run a couple days to test (working perfectly). STC-3028 controller $17 shipped, 12V 5A power supply $11 shipped. Donor dehumi $45 shipped. My time? Priceless - er - well, I wasn't doing anything anyway.
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Yes it works, and I am not sure what you mean by forced dry, it is doing the same thing you are doing with the relative humidity manually. It adjusts, based off the environment.This is what the Cannatrol does only it uses dew point. Here is the info I used of a scientific study which I believe the Cannatrol is based off of.The point of changing humidity setpoints is to let it do a slow dry over force drying. But if it works for you, none of this is set in stone.
Sure if it works for you.Yes it works, and I am not sure what you mean by forced dry, it is doing the same thing you are doing with the relative humidity manually. It adjusts, based off the environment.This is what the Cannatrol does only it uses dew point. Here is the info I used of a scientific study which I believe the Cannatrol is based off of.
How many days do you think your setup will take to get down to 62rh from initial chop and load? Just curious. I like the setup but I'm going for a slow dry and not sure the vdp approach will work for me.Here is my setup for now, haven't broken the dehumidifier apart yet, but will have to soon. As another batch will be ready in 2 weeks or less. Pictures also show data from AC Infinity.
Its not about getting to 62percent rh. RH relative humidity is just that relative. Its about moisture activity level. The drying process is simply that to get your plant down to were there is no moisture activity on the exterior. The cure is about doing the same thing to the internal moisture activity level. Vpd is the more accurate calculation of the effect of humidity and temp, nothing more or nothing less.And is calculated using the same variables (Temp and Humidity) People keep mentioning a slow dry, that really should not be the goal in and of itself. Because too slow of a dry opens you up to bud rot. There is an optimum, insert what you will(vpd,dew point, temp and humidity,etc), that will allow your plant to reach this moisture activity level in x amount of time. The x amount of time is what is really important. The science says around 8 to 10 days(, depending your personal environment. A moisture meter is invaluable, as this is what is most important. These wine coolers we are using are affected by your room temp and humidity. Look at the screen shots I posted a couple comments up, this shows what the science says about this subject. That was taken from you tube video by a scientist studying drying and curing, it is very informative.How many days do you think your setup will take to get down to 62rh from initial chop and load? Just curious. I like the setup but I'm going for a slow dry and not sure the vdp approach will work for me.
I’m curious to know how VPD is more accurate than temp and humidity when they are calculated using temp and humidity as the variables. The equation is just better i guess. That’s like saying power is more accurate than voltage and current. Please at least try and get facts straight before posting.Its not about getting to 62percent rh. RH relative humidity is just that relative. Its about moisture activity level. The drying process is simply that to get your plant down to were there is no moisture activity on the exterior. The cure is about doing the same thing to the internal moisture activity level. Vpd is the more accurate calculation of the effect of humidity and temp, nothing more or nothing less.And is calculated using the same variables (Temp and Humidity) People keep mentioning a slow dry, that really should not be the goal in and of itself. Because too slow of a dry opens you up to bud rot. There is an optimum, insert what you will(vpd,dew point, temp and humidity,etc), that will allow your plant to reach this moisture activity level in x amount of time. The x amount of time is what is really important. The science says around 8 to 10 days(, depending your personal environment. A moisture meter is invaluable, as this is what is most important. These wine coolers we are using are affected by your room temp and humidity. Look at the screen shots I posted a couple comments up, this shows what the science says about this subject. That was taken from you tube video by a scientist studying drying and curing, it is very informative.
Thanks for the yaml! Got the automation working yesterday and so far so good, seeing a beautiful gradual slope down in humidity similar to your chart. I've got the koolatron a little more than half full and it reduced from ~73% to 69% rh in the last 24 hours. The temp automation is effective in cycling the dehumidifier on and off with ~30 min cycles. In theory if we wanted to slow the slope we could set a tighter and/or lower temp range, only question is if the sensors are sensitive enough or update frequently enough for the automation to work with a tighter range.Try this automation. It triggers every time temp goes outside the target range (15.5-16 C) and outside the humidity range (58-62 %rH). The it toggles the humidifier off/on to maintain temp below 16 C. If temp is below 16 C it toggles it to keep humidity below 60 %rH. It needs a sensor for humidity and temp inside the fridge (I use an Aqara zigbee sensor) and a switch for the humidifier (a zigbee outlet switch in my case).
In practice it will look like this (temperature was constant at 16 C +- 0.5 C):
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Code:alias: Coolatron 16 °C_1 description: "" trigger: - platform: numeric_state entity_id: - sensor.0x00158d0006ebd6a7_temperature for: hours: 0 minutes: 0 seconds: 30 attribute: temperature above: 16 - platform: numeric_state entity_id: - sensor.0x00158d0006ebd6a7_temperature for: hours: 0 minutes: 0 seconds: 30 attribute: temperature below: 15.5 - platform: numeric_state entity_id: - sensor.0x00158d0006ebd6a7_humidity attribute: humidity above: 62 for: hours: 0 minutes: 0 seconds: 30 - platform: numeric_state entity_id: - sensor.0x00158d0006ebd6a7_humidity attribute: humidity below: 58 for: hours: 0 minutes: 0 seconds: 30 condition: [] action: - if: - condition: and conditions: - type: is_temperature condition: device device_id: e0b9cdf8aec31b8245aa02c5f192e6cc entity_id: 4134d7072f076db77f8059fb048a608f domain: sensor below: 15.6 - type: is_humidity condition: device device_id: e0b9cdf8aec31b8245aa02c5f192e6cc entity_id: 4a08681ccc65543cb6718c9eef585720 domain: sensor above: 60 then: - type: turn_on device_id: 82326e692699a403dff50e50998cdc82 entity_id: 9e0437be92c347977220834692df2f64 domain: switch - if: - condition: or conditions: - type: is_temperature condition: device device_id: e0b9cdf8aec31b8245aa02c5f192e6cc entity_id: 4134d7072f076db77f8059fb048a608f domain: sensor above: 15.9 - type: is_humidity condition: device device_id: e0b9cdf8aec31b8245aa02c5f192e6cc entity_id: 4a08681ccc65543cb6718c9eef585720 domain: sensor below: 60 then: - type: turn_off device_id: 82326e692699a403dff50e50998cdc82 entity_id: 9e0437be92c347977220834692df2f64 domain: switch mode: single