These Fans Are The Real Deal !!
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MileHIGHclub101
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i only need to be moving 24 cf of air but i need it quite is this really the way to go for such a small set up?
FullMetalJacket
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change speed by wiring it to the low.
iloveit
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I have the same fan but I have mines connected to a "Primair" speed controller, unfortunately it makes a loud electric buzzing noise from the fan motor when the speed is set to medium so Im searching for silent speed controller no luck yet.
Hotwired
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Not sure about a smell. Hope you didn't burn out something. The wiring is self explanatory if you look at their installation manual. I have no idea which fan you have so please give me more information.
Yes, this is a major problem with almost all inline fans. It has something to do with capacitance and voltage. That's why there is the huge capacitor in the wiring box for the TD series fans. If you look inside all your inline fans, such as Can-fan and Vortex, you will see they all have a very large capacitor inside.
The problem with cheap speed controllers is all they do is lower the voltage for the fan. This in turn causes the "humming" to start up once you turn down the voltage. There are options out there to make the hum go away but they are much more expensive than your $25 controller.
I had a link a Brit gave me from another forum but I can't find it. He gave me links to a voltage regulator in England and in the US. They were quite expensive....the cheapest being $75.
You could make it work if you're like me and figure out the exact cfm you will need. Once you know what will work you can buy the fan you need and just let it run without a speed controller. This is why I really like the TD series fans. They can be wired in 2 speeds and are quieter than most other inline fans.
I spent a lot of time and money finding out about fan speeds and noise volume and I don't regret it. I think, IMO, that I have the quietest grow op around. Two 16" oscillating fans, two TD-150's, two 1000 watt digital ballast and the use of insulated duct and my DR-300w won't wake a sleeping kitten
My DR120 has four 6" clip on fans and a Panasonic Whisperquiet 6" inline doing all the work. They cool a 400 watt hood with digital ballast easily. You can't hear a peep from 5 feet away
Yeah, the smell was definatly because its wired wrong. I DID do brown to ground, white towhite, black to black. Now ive tried black to back, and white to white only, but still doesnt work
I have the td-150 model. The wiring in the istallation guide has 4 connection options. I see 120vac, ground and common
I have the td-150 model. The wiring in the istallation guide has 4 connection options. I see 120vac, ground and common
FullMetalJacket
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i think brown is low speed
Hotwired
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Please READ the installation guide FULLY. Here is the link:
http://www.hvacquick.com/spfnconfig.php?fm=td
It states in bold letters:
Models TD 100, 100x, 125, 150 & 200x are double insulated and are not provided with external ground wire
This means you didn't need to hook up the ground wire and you most likely burned out the fan. I know the diagram shows a YELLOW/GREEN connection for ground, but if you read the instructions, WHICH WERE DIRECTLY ABOVE THE DIAGRAM, then you would have known not to use the ground wire at all.
What you should have done in this order:
1. Read installation manual 100%
2. Break out with your tools and get to work
Brown = low speed
Black = hi speed
White = common.
There shouldn't be a YELLOW/GREEN wire going to the motor at all.
Your cord should be slightly thick (like a computer power cord) and have 3 wires. Black, white and green. Do not use the green (ground) as I have already stated the reasons for this.
Hope this helps
Hotwired
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BAHAHAHAHAHHA........you got me cracking up man.
Read what I wrote. Christ I write a damn book for you and you still don't get it? And after all my hard work someone gave me minus rep.
I'll never reach 0 rep lol rofl
The installation manual that came with the package doesnt have those instructions you just listed... Oh, and the picture was just when I was just trying differnt things.
BTW when I connect all 3 wires together, W/W B/B G/B, the fan still spins. Its when I dont connect the green, it doesnt work. As in when its W/W B/B, it doesnt work
Ill try W/B B/W, maybe that willwork..
BTW when I connect all 3 wires together, W/W B/B G/B, the fan still spins. Its when I dont connect the green, it doesnt work. As in when its W/W B/B, it doesnt work
Ill try W/B B/W, maybe that willwork..
Hotwired
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I really didn't want to say this cause I felt I didn't really have to but damn man a lil
THANKS FOR HELPING ME HOTWIRED
would sure have made me feel a bit more respected for my help and make me feel like I should continue helping.
But after getting neg rep and no thanks I'm done with all this. Why bother?
Lol, youve directed me the installation manual, which I have and that does not work. Youve told me that the green/ground doesnt need to be connected, which it isnt. Ive followed all your steps. The only thing you havnt told me is exactly what wire, to what wire they go to, which is what I need.
*Edit Well I think I figured it out. Mine seemed to have been wired incorrectly. The brown/black and white/black connection seems to work without any smell.
*Edit Well I think I figured it out. Mine seemed to have been wired incorrectly. The brown/black and white/black connection seems to work without any smell.
Hotwired
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I'll try one last time but man....
Anyway this is all I can do. Please read carefully.
Link to the guide directly:
http://www.hvacquick.com/catalog_files/solerpalau_TD_IOM.pdf
Please go to page 4 and listen closely. The first diagram looks something like this....
120 VAC-------------------> HI -------------Black------------
l
l
l
l---------------------------> LO ------------Brown------------
Ground---------------------> G -----------Yellow/Green-------
Common--------------------> N -------------White-----------
That's the best I can do with that diagram. Lets start on the left side of the diagram. The left side is your cord. Your cord is a thick black cord containing a white, black and green wire. The black wire equals the "120 VAC" wire on the diagram. The line extending below "120 VAC" is your same black wire but it shows that it's wired to the brown or LO speed wire instead. The green wire equals the "Ground" wire on the diagram and the white wire equals the "Common" wire on the diagram.
In the middle of the diagram going downwards are "HI, LO, G and N". HI equals HI speed and is wired to the right side of the diagram leading to the motor and is black in color. LO equals low speed and is wired to the brown wire on the right side of the diagram leading to the motor.
READ CAREFULLY: YOUR FAN DOES NOT NEED A GROUND WIRE NOR DOES IT COME WITH ONE AS SHOWN IN THE DIAGRAM. THEREFORE YOU WILL NOT SEE A YELLOW/GREEN WIRE COMING FROM THE MOTOR (THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM). SO IN YOUR MIND EITHER TAKE OUT THAT WIRE OR CROSS IT OUT. IT DOES NOT EXIST.
Please follow these simple instructions on what to do with YOUR power cords green wire.
You have already pulled back and exposed the copper on all three wires. Right after you read this sentence I want you to cut off that green wire. Just the top inch or 2.
Thanks. You are done with that step. Wow wasn't that easy. Here is a chew toy...let's go to the next step
The next two letters in the middle of the diagram are G and N. But you already know what we did with the G...right?
OK!! On to the N. The N equals the neutral side of the cord which is usually white but sometimes can be RED. BUT DON'T LET ME CONFUSE YOU
This (usually) white wire (but sometimes red) will be wired to the white wire leading to the motor.
So all in all how many wires will we be working with once we know how to wire it?
3 right??
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!! hehe this is fun cause I just took a hit
Lets take a look at the white plastic piece which hold all the wires. This is a very important part of the whole operation. If the inside connection has been melted due to incorrect wiring then we have to do something different.
OH NOOOEESSS!! Something different! But we can do it!
After all this nonsense above I'm sure you are saying, "WTF Hotwired, stop being a dick and just tell me how to wire the damn thing."
But but but....if I don't explain the whole darn process you might get upset and smash fan against wall. Then we can't fix it at all and that's a damn shame
Now do you just want me to tell you to wire YOUR cords white wire to the white wire leading to the motor and YOUR cords black wire to EITHER the black wire (HI speed) or the brown wire (LOW speed) leading to the motor.
Is that all you wanted? hehe but what if it doesn't work?
Maybe you blew the motor OR melted the connection inside that plastic wire holder. If this is so there is one last way to check. Read up...
MAKE SURE YOUR CORD IS NOT PLUGGED IN...OK THX LIVE LONGER PLZ
Loosen the tiny screws inside the plastic piece that hold all the wires in place. The wires will just slip out, no need to pull. Just make sure the screws that are holding the wires are loose. Now wire the white wire from your power cord directly to the white wire leading to the motor. PLZ USE WIRE NUTS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
Where is your power cords green wire?
Don't even touch it or I'm coming for your weed
Now wire the black wire from YOUR power cord to EITHER the black or brown wire leading to the motor. This will determine what speed you want.
Remember to try both of the motors wires (black or brown). You may have blown one side but the other can still be good. It seems like you still get some power but something isn't right. If this fails you may have a faulty power cord but most likely you blew out the fan. Your next step is to call the people you got it from and try to send it back. If your'e a good liar tell 'em it was like this when you got it.
Again good luck
Anyway this is all I can do. Please read carefully.
Link to the guide directly:
http://www.hvacquick.com/catalog_files/solerpalau_TD_IOM.pdf
Please go to page 4 and listen closely. The first diagram looks something like this....
120 VAC-------------------> HI -------------Black------------
l
l
l
l---------------------------> LO ------------Brown------------
Ground---------------------> G -----------Yellow/Green-------
Common--------------------> N -------------White-----------
That's the best I can do with that diagram. Lets start on the left side of the diagram. The left side is your cord. Your cord is a thick black cord containing a white, black and green wire. The black wire equals the "120 VAC" wire on the diagram. The line extending below "120 VAC" is your same black wire but it shows that it's wired to the brown or LO speed wire instead. The green wire equals the "Ground" wire on the diagram and the white wire equals the "Common" wire on the diagram.
In the middle of the diagram going downwards are "HI, LO, G and N". HI equals HI speed and is wired to the right side of the diagram leading to the motor and is black in color. LO equals low speed and is wired to the brown wire on the right side of the diagram leading to the motor.
READ CAREFULLY: YOUR FAN DOES NOT NEED A GROUND WIRE NOR DOES IT COME WITH ONE AS SHOWN IN THE DIAGRAM. THEREFORE YOU WILL NOT SEE A YELLOW/GREEN WIRE COMING FROM THE MOTOR (THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM). SO IN YOUR MIND EITHER TAKE OUT THAT WIRE OR CROSS IT OUT. IT DOES NOT EXIST.
Please follow these simple instructions on what to do with YOUR power cords green wire.
You have already pulled back and exposed the copper on all three wires. Right after you read this sentence I want you to cut off that green wire. Just the top inch or 2.
Thanks. You are done with that step. Wow wasn't that easy. Here is a chew toy...let's go to the next step
The next two letters in the middle of the diagram are G and N. But you already know what we did with the G...right?
OK!! On to the N. The N equals the neutral side of the cord which is usually white but sometimes can be RED. BUT DON'T LET ME CONFUSE YOU
This (usually) white wire (but sometimes red) will be wired to the white wire leading to the motor.
So all in all how many wires will we be working with once we know how to wire it?
3 right??
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!! hehe this is fun cause I just took a hit
Lets take a look at the white plastic piece which hold all the wires. This is a very important part of the whole operation. If the inside connection has been melted due to incorrect wiring then we have to do something different.
OH NOOOEESSS!! Something different!
But we can do it!After all this nonsense above I'm sure you are saying, "WTF Hotwired, stop being a dick and just tell me how to wire the damn thing."
But but but....if I don't explain the whole darn process you might get upset and smash fan against wall. Then we can't fix it at all and that's a damn shame
Now do you just want me to tell you to wire YOUR cords white wire to the white wire leading to the motor and YOUR cords black wire to EITHER the black wire (HI speed) or the brown wire (LOW speed) leading to the motor.
Is that all you wanted? hehe but what if it doesn't work?
Maybe you blew the motor OR melted the connection inside that plastic wire holder. If this is so there is one last way to check. Read up...
MAKE SURE YOUR CORD IS NOT PLUGGED IN...OK THX LIVE LONGER PLZ
Loosen the tiny screws inside the plastic piece that hold all the wires in place. The wires will just slip out, no need to pull. Just make sure the screws that are holding the wires are loose. Now wire the white wire from your power cord directly to the white wire leading to the motor. PLZ USE WIRE NUTS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
Where is your power cords green wire?
Don't even touch it or I'm coming for your weed
Now wire the black wire from YOUR power cord to EITHER the black or brown wire leading to the motor. This will determine what speed you want.
Remember to try both of the motors wires (black or brown). You may have blown one side but the other can still be good. It seems like you still get some power but something isn't right. If this fails you may have a faulty power cord but most likely you blew out the fan. Your next step is to call the people you got it from and try to send it back. If your'e a good liar tell 'em it was like this when you got it.
Again good luck