Things to Know About Lighting

skate4theherb

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Does anyone know where you can buy these in the US?
you can buy them at the cannabis club if u live in cali and have ur 215 card.the cost abvout $60 for 16-18. or you can buy them online i like http://www.nirvana-shop.com they cost about $30-$40 for ten of them. But you can also buy from this web site seed that are Feminized the down side is its 5 seeds for $30-$40. they way i do it is to buy two packs of the ten and hope for the best.
hope this helps
 

skate4theherb

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how do i get my grow room warmed up? i have a 150 watt fluro light init!?? does not seem to be warm enugh?
are you using a fan?? if so turn is off. use your Thermometer and put right next to your plants and close your grow room up for an hour or so and check it to see if it get warm or not. trapping the light heat in should help.
 

skate4theherb

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you need a good light? Go to any large construction site and steal a 400w mh wobble light. They are all over large site.
really now come on!! You should never steal shit!! How would you like it if some punk kid came a took all your plants! All you money hard work down the drain!! For what just so you could have a light,that you could have just saved for and no worrys. No bad karma on your back. God and we wounder why people look at people so smoke/grow herb as bad people. Its shit like this wow!!! Grow up!! If dont have a job get someone to loan you the money and pay them back.
 

skate4theherb

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Prior to flowering, could i use floresent or indecient? spellin SUCKS!!! but thank ya, An i love the sight!!!!
yes you can you just have to use a few of them and put them close to the plants. put your hand under the light and if it ok for your hand its ok for your plants. just like when u warm up milk for a baby you test on your self first. treat your plants like your baby's. check out Roseman:https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/234626-rosemans-diy-bubbleponics-tutorial.html
post #5 talks about CFL.
 

biggun

Active Member
I suggest you save your money and buy your own, if you go and steal your light you will be punished and your weed will be full of seeds and weak. Don't lower yourself to that pecker heads level. Don't give the honest good fun of growing a bad name. Do the right thing!!!! And enjoy your crop guilt free. Happy growing
 

zenza

Member
Check out the Sunmaster 600 and 400 watt cool deluxe 7200k Metal halide lamps, supposed to be the best vegging lamp available. Going to use one on my next grow and then switch to 600 watt HPS for flowering
 

blazermc

Member
What wattage is there to use?
Fluorescents come in a wide range of watts any where from 4 to 214 watts that I have found.


the only fluorescent lights i can find are ranged between 8w-32w, thats in local shops around me, dont wanna order online will take to long to come,,, its my first time, just trying out for experimental use tbh, got 2 germinated seeds, gnna plant soon, just wondering on what kind off watt fluorescent i need? im guessing wouldnt need a high wattage as off little qauntity???
 

rookie 420

Member
I used six 26 watt cfls for veging four plants, but about 2 weeks in I knew the lumen count was seriously lacking. It bought me a little time for my 150 watt mini florolux to come in though. The only thing now is that even with using the six cfls and the 150 watt I'm still lacking lumens in my flowering. Now I don't know whether to supplement some LEDs (90 watt tri-bands) or just buy a bigger HPS, I want a good all around spectrum while in flower. If you decide to veg with cfls get the 6500k (daylight), it is the best for veg but I would not recomend them alone for flower.
 

Uncle Ben

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Color rating- Measured in Kelvin (K). The higher the number, the more bluish the light. 4000K-7000K is mostly on the blue side of the spectrum, while 3000K and under goes from a white spectrum, to a redder spectrum.

How much light is needed?
The minimum amount of light required by marijuana plants is around 3000 lumens per square foot. However, it's not 100% accurate, since although you may have a 10,000 lumen light, the amount of light that reaches the plant varies with the distance between the light and plants, and reflectivity of the grow box. The ideal amount is somewhere around 7000-10,000 lumens/sqft, and as long as the plants do not burn, as much light can be used as you want.
(*note, the sun produces about 10,000 lumens/sqft, on a sunny summer day).

Determining lumens for your grow area:
Determine the square footage of your area (example in a 4 foot by 4 foot area, there is 16 square feet)
If you have a 1000 watt High Pressure Sodium, that produces (approx.) 107,000 lumens.
Divide this by 16 (your square footage) 107,000 / 16 = 6687 lumens per square foot.
So just divide the total amount of Lumens, by the total amount of Sq ft, and thats your lumens per square foot.

How far away from my plants do the lights go?
The lights in your grow room should be as close as possible to the plants without burning them. There is no such thing as too much, unless there is sufficient heat to dry out and burn the leaves. A good rule is to put your hand under the light, if its too hot for your hand, chances are that the plants will be too, so move the light up until your hand feels more comfortable. For seedlings and clones, I keep them a little further away from the light, because they are very susceptible to burning and drying out, at these stages.

Efficiency is very important when choosing a type of light. The wattage is not the most important thing, as you can see below, different types of light produce different amounts of lumens per watt. A 300 watt incandescent will produce about 5100 lumens. While a 300 watt Metal Halide (just an example, they do not come in 300 watts), will produce 27,000 lumens. Obviously far more efficient for growing, while still using the same amount of electricity.

Approximate light production:
Incandescents: 17 lumens/watt
Mercury vapor: 45-50 lumens/watt
Fluorescents: 60-70 lumens/watt
Metal halide: 90 lumens/watt
High pressure sodium: 107 lumens/watt

Incandescent lights: Incandescents are the most popular type of lights in the world. They may come advertised as incandescent, tungsten, quartz, halogen, or simply standard. The important thing about incandescents is this: they suck.
There are some incandescents which are sold as 'grow lights.' They usually have a blue coating and usually come in 60W and 120W sizes. While they may seem like a good choice to new growers, they are next to useless; they produce some light at a usable spectrum, but only have about a 5% efficiency and generate more heat than usable light. Most of us have these in our homes right now. Don't use them for growing, instead opt for a Compact Fluorescent as a cheaper but more efficient alternative.

Fluorescent lights: Fluorescents are a lot more useful than incandescents. Their efficient enough, and cheaper than HID lights. Compact fluorescent tubes are popular with growers because of their good output to size ratio. Compared to standard 4' tubes, compact fluorescent bulbs are smaller, and more can fit into a given area. Fluorescents are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and are very widely available.
Fluorescent lights come in many different Kelvin ratings; often the spectrums are labeled on packaging as being 'cool white' or 'warm white.' Cool white is more blue, and is good for the vegetative stages of growth, and warm white light is more orange or reddish, and is best for the flowering stage.

High Intensity Discharge (HID) Lighting Systems:

Mercury Vapor (MV)
Mercury vapor lights are not the most efficient light for growing. They are very bright, and relatively cheap. They do emit light at the wavelengths necessary to support your plants growth, but not nearly as good as a MH or Hps light. Much of the light emitted by MV lights is bluish-white. Street lighting is what most MV lighting is used for.

Metal Halide (MH)
Metal halide lighting systems are optimal for use in the vegetative phase of growing. They emit mostly blue light, which encourages vigorous growth of foliage. They are very efficient, but can get rather expensive to start with; fluorescents may seem more appealing because of their lower price, and they are not much different when compared on a lumen-to-lumen cost level. These lights can be used through-out the grow, but will most likely result in light, fluffy buds.

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
High pressure sodium lights emit mostly orange, yellow, and red spectrum light, which is perfect for the flowering stage of the plants growth. They are (in my opinion) the most efficient type of light available for any application. HPS lights can be used through-out the entire grow. They produce more dense and usually larger buds than any other light.
HPS lights are generally a little more expensive than MH systems of similar wattage. They are more commonly used by experienced growers because of their ability to produce tighter buds, higher lumen-output-per-watt, and will produce from start to finish.

I'll also add this graph below, i hope this post helps some of you out.

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Sorry, but there is alot of half truths in this post. There's also alot of black and white erroneous statements, disregard for the hood design, etc.

You CAN give a plant too much light, stop the myths folks. Also, I've used a HPS from start to finish with excellent results. The MH vs HPS for this and that is more forum hype.

UB
 

Uncle Ben

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If it dont burn your hand wont burn your plants.:evil:
It's not an issue of burning your plants, it's an issue of going past their light saturation point and bleaching out the chlorophyll. Without chlorophyll production and maintenance, you don't have photosynthesis.
 

Highgrow420

Member
What about leds? Are they any good for growing through all stages of growth?
Yeah , I was wondering the same thing, what kinda lumen's can u expect from LED lighting i was looking into purchasing some, very expensive though.... ALSO any idea of the life expectancy of the damn thing. if its gonna be efficiant it better last a while.. lol :?:
 
im about to have some really danks babies arrive and it would be sweet to here everyones opinion, because of course evryone has there prefrences,,,
but in vegas the city of heat ...would some one have the goodness in them to let a fellow grower know there opinions!

thnks again --sinner
 

DannyGreenEyes

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so i gatta question !... whats the best light to start seedlings under hps?cfl?mh?

thnks
-sinner
I can answer that. You want to use CFLs or Fluoro Tubes in the 5,000k to 6,500k color spectrum until they have a nice established root system and can handle the stronger HIDs.

I've also been told that it's good to mix in a little of the 2,700k to 3,000k color spectrum, but only a little. Most of the light should be 5,000k to 6,500k.

And if heat is a problem, you may want to use CFLs & Fluoro Tubes to grow until you can afford to deal with the heat with a cool tube or a/c cooled hood for your HIDs

Hope that helps.
 

born2killspam

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You can use any light for seedlings, the secret is that no matter what light you use, don't put it too close.. Seedlings hate both heat and intense light! Think about it, in nature seedlings lie underneath perenial growth, sheltered from light and forced to fight for it..
 
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