rob the pot head
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Haha. I thought this was funny, as the original post is an obvious democrat bashing
Things you must believe to be a good Democrat ...
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iblazethatkush
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So, what does the war have to do with democrat bashing?
medicineman
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That Panda, what a clown, Mission accomplished, HAHAHAHOHOHOHEHEHE~LOL~LMFAO~ what a clown, that Panda Bear. Who looks at the news with rose colored glasses, Panda Bear, what a terror. For an Arab, you certainly don't know shit about Sunnis and shiites.
(charlie Brown, what a clown)
ViRedd
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The leaders of Isreal and Palestine are meeting with Bush in Maryland as we speak. Something about forming a Democratic state for the Palestinians.
Israel, Palestinians OK Negotiating Plan
Vi
Israel, Palestinians OK Negotiating Plan
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medicineman
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Yeah, like thats ever going to work. ~LOL~ what a fucking joke. Bush ignores the palestine situation for 7 years and now as a lame duck he wants to create a legacy by making peace deals in the middle east while he has inflamed the Arab states to no end, A fucking joke for sure. Only a die hard Bushie would even take this seriously. I'm taking any and all bets against this scenario.
closet.cult
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very funny. but there's alot of contradictions in both parties.
but...Dennis Miller. Hummph! Man i used to like him. But he did turn into a party hack. His arguments in support of this administration don't even make sense anymore and he used to reach such reasonable conclusions in his dissertations of modern politics.
I miss the ol' smart Dennis. I believe to understand this guy, you have to go back some years and listen carefully to his 'black and white' standup routine, i think it was. he said, "i support the war but even if i didn't i wouldn't say so for the benifits of the troup's moral."
i totally believe he's just living by those words and that is hackery at it's most nobelist. pick a good cause and lie, because its in the name of patriotism. bullshit! stand up for what is right. dessent does not equal disloyalty!!
but...Dennis Miller. Hummph! Man i used to like him. But he did turn into a party hack. His arguments in support of this administration don't even make sense anymore and he used to reach such reasonable conclusions in his dissertations of modern politics.
I miss the ol' smart Dennis. I believe to understand this guy, you have to go back some years and listen carefully to his 'black and white' standup routine, i think it was. he said, "i support the war but even if i didn't i wouldn't say so for the benifits of the troup's moral."
i totally believe he's just living by those words and that is hackery at it's most nobelist. pick a good cause and lie, because its in the name of patriotism. bullshit! stand up for what is right. dessent does not equal disloyalty!!
pandabear
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well well well and i guess you are an expert on the situation huh?
I dont like to reveal too much of what I "do" but lets just say that I work very closey with Shiites, Sunnis, americans, Kurds, Saudis, jordanians, Egyptions, UAE, Afghans, Pakistanis, Kuwaitis, Qataries, Turkish and many many more, but I'll tell you one thing that is a shame for the Iranian People, is that I do not work with them for obvious reasons.
there will always be haters my friend, so its not like im trying to clense the world of all yall but figure I should speak out the truth at the very least. so i do every now and again, but mostly I do other things, that have a much greater impact than most of you people could dream up. anyway, if you ever traveled you know how the world works and all the help it needs to keep the haters at bay.
the time is now, and god willing Guliani can take the weight on his shoulders and win this upcoming election. It takes a strong man to lead in times like these.
medicineman
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Guliani, Baaarrrrffff!!!! Did you ever ask yourself why they hate? Hate is a conditioned response. There has to be something that happens to you to make you hate, it is not a natural feeling. It can be elicited by programming, but there is always an outside influence.well well well and i guess you are an expert on the situation huh?
I dont like to reveal too much of what I "do" but lets just say that I work very closey with Shiites, Sunnis, americans, Kurds, Saudis, jordanians, Egyptions, UAE, Afghans, Pakistanis, Kuwaitis, Qataries, Turkish and many many more, but I'll tell you one thing that is a shame for the Iranian People, is that I do not work with them for obvious reasons.
there will always be haters my friend, so its not like im trying to clense the world of all yall but figure I should speak out the truth at the very least. so i do every now and again, but mostly I do other things, that have a much greater impact than most of you people could dream up. anyway, if you ever traveled you know how the world works and all the help it needs to keep the haters at bay.
the time is now, and god willing Guliani can take the weight on his shoulders and win this upcoming election. It takes a strong man to lead in times like these.
pandabear
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your askin me why they hate? shit man my grandparents were kicked out of thier homes and lost all thier belongings and were thorwn out of thier own country, so they hate isreal, how long do you expect us to hate, shall i keep hating for the rest of my life? hating men that wronged my familiy 50 years back? shall I start teaching my little baby gurl to hate them too? it will never end. the people who did this are all dead or dieing, hate does not do anygood.
America loves, i dont care how many examples you pull out showing otherwise, cuz nothing is perfect but america has been there for the good and greatness so much more than anthything else ever. and it greatly and monumentally outways the bad shit its done.
i mean its a country over history no people can ever control it perfectly. but fuck America done the best so far. i wish people could say that about thier precious "religion" which I will hazard to say done atleast as much bad as it has good if not way more bad.
Would you as an Iraqi want to live under a vicious tyrant? would you risk your life and the lives of your fellow brothers and countymen to destroy this tyranny so it is not thrust upon your children and your childrens children?
so what are the dead iraqis to you? just another number you got to prove your shitty point. But we all know that they are really the fathers and mothers that had thier lives sacrificed in order for thier children and thier childrens children to live free and more prosperous lives.
Thats what we do, this is America.
ViRedd
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Panda sez ...
"So what are the dead iraqis to you? just another number you got to prove your shitty point. But we all know that they are really the fathers and mothers that had thier lives sacrificed in order for thier children and thier childrens children could live free and more prosperous lives. Thats what we do, this is America."
Spoken like someone who has lived it.
Vi
"So what are the dead iraqis to you? just another number you got to prove your shitty point. But we all know that they are really the fathers and mothers that had thier lives sacrificed in order for thier children and thier childrens children could live free and more prosperous lives. Thats what we do, this is America."
Spoken like someone who has lived it.
Vi
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8. Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools in the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn't Christianity.
As I said before [separaion of church and state], public schools shouldn't be in the bussness of religion.
9. The best way to support our troops is to criticize their every move. This will let them know they're thought of often.
I for one have never criticized any of the troops, this is not to say there has not been reason for some, but understanding what can happen in combat I could only criticize what I see with my own eyes.
10. Sexual harassment, groping and drug use are degenerate if you're the governor of California, but it's okay if you're the President of the United States.
Arnold while not a truly good actor did bring something to the table, as he does as governor and I for one thought that he would be a very good governor, and as far as I know he is. I don't care about his having group sex eather.
As for bush, just as arnold this was long a go and I don't care if he smoked pot on and off for a while or that he did coke for a few years.
11. Sex education should be required so that teens can make informed choices about sex, but gun education should be banned because it will turn those same teens into maniacal mass-murderers.
Both past the science part should be done at home.
12. Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.
The truth is that most racists are minorities.
The way you put this you seem to put blame on women for the hatred of the rapist, do you do this?
While I could argue some blame in all 3 cases, the thread would be thin and only heart felt in the racist case.
13. Poverty is the cause of all terrorism...which is why the leaders of al Qaeda are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.
While poverty is not the cause it has been well used like saddam giving 25,000 to the familys of a succsessfull islamoterrorist bomber
14. The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt's Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded "reasonable precautions."
This is not something that I worry about, but it doesn't mean that theres not anything to worry about.
Vi you do understand that the constitution has been amended and I'm sure that it will be again and I have fear of this just as you do. I also have read you enough to know that your not a strict constitutionlist.
15. We should unquestioningly honor the wishes of our age-old allies, even when said allies no longer act like our allies and have vested economic interests in propping up our enemies.
I say what allies? I have only seen allies when interests intersect and when they diverge so do the allies. A close look at ww1, ww2 or ww3 and you should note that interests and allies diverge at the same point.
16. Socialized medicine is the ideal. Nevermind all those people who spend every dime they have to get to the United States so they can get quality medical care...that their nation's socialized medical community can't provide.
There are gaps in medical care and the emergency room is socialized medicine for the poor and illegals.
17. Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Natalie Maines are perfectly qualified to criticize our leadership, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston, and Dennis Miller are just ignorant political hacks.
The first three are liers and spiners, two actors and a comedian.
18. John Lott's research on how gun ownership reduces crime is junk science, but Michael Bellesiles is still an authority on why gun control is good (even though he was forced to resign from Emory due to research misconduct over his book "Arming America").
I'm with you here.
19. Bush's toppling the Saddam regime was a "diversion," but Clinton's lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was "sending a message."
Nether were a diversion nor ment to be.
20. A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies' intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.
Bill was asked if he had had sex with lewinsky, he asked for their definition of sex, they defined it as intercourse and he properly said that he hadn't had sex with lewinsky. To do otherwise would have been lying under oath and that would be perjury. I thank you should know this, so if you say this again it would be you that is lying.
As for bush I don't think anyone really wants to see him naked, though their are some strange people.
21. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn't pass in any legislature.
Yes I agree. Both sides do this.
I seem to have forgot what part of the constitution alows the government to limit what a woman can do with her body and how this is can be used to stop her from aborting a fetus?
22. "The People" in the First Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Fourth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Ninth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but "the People" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).
As I have said I'm with you on the 2nd amendment.
23. You support a woman's "right to choose" to kill her unborn child, but don't believe that same woman is competent enough to homeschool the children she bears.
I would say that a woman choosing to abort a fetus gives proof shes incompetent, and shouldn't homeschool past prekindergarden.
24. Proven draft-dodging is irrelevant, but baseless claims of AWOL status is crucial to national security.
Bill was in school and would have been war or not.
That cannot be truely stated as draft-dodging and stating that its proven is simply a lie.
I will say that joining the national guard in that time was just a legal way to avoid the draft if you had the pull and money to get in. As far as being AWOL the claim is not baseless and is more than likely true. I did the samething for 2 weeks and for 3 days a lot of times and got away with it. I would not and could not find fault for this. He did his job and the US wasn't invaded on his watch. The point is moot.
25. Threatening to boycott Dr. Laura's and Rush Limbaugh's advertisers is exercising Freedom of Speech, but threatening to boycott CBS's "The Reagans" and Liberal actors over their asinine anti-American remarks is censorship and McCarthyist blacklisting.
I wouldn't boycott eather, but I think that a boycott of both would be great.
Git back to me on these things Vi if you like.
8. Every religion should be respected and promoted in public schools in the name of diversity, so long as that religion isn't Christianity.
As I said before [separaion of church and state], public schools shouldn't be in the bussness of religion.
9. The best way to support our troops is to criticize their every move. This will let them know they're thought of often.
I for one have never criticized any of the troops, this is not to say there has not been reason for some, but understanding what can happen in combat I could only criticize what I see with my own eyes.
10. Sexual harassment, groping and drug use are degenerate if you're the governor of California, but it's okay if you're the President of the United States.
Arnold while not a truly good actor did bring something to the table, as he does as governor and I for one thought that he would be a very good governor, and as far as I know he is. I don't care about his having group sex eather.
As for bush, just as arnold this was long a go and I don't care if he smoked pot on and off for a while or that he did coke for a few years.
11. Sex education should be required so that teens can make informed choices about sex, but gun education should be banned because it will turn those same teens into maniacal mass-murderers.
Both past the science part should be done at home.
12. Minorities are blameless for the hatred of the racist; women are blameless for the hatred of the rapist; but America is entirely at fault for the hatred of Islamofascists.
The truth is that most racists are minorities.
The way you put this you seem to put blame on women for the hatred of the rapist, do you do this?
While I could argue some blame in all 3 cases, the thread would be thin and only heart felt in the racist case.
13. Poverty is the cause of all terrorism...which is why the leaders of al Qaeda are typically U.S.-educated and were raised in wealth and luxury.
While poverty is not the cause it has been well used like saddam giving 25,000 to the familys of a succsessfull islamoterrorist bomber
14. The Patriot Act is a horrific compromise of Constitutional rights, but anti-Second Amendment laws and Franklin Roosevelt's Presidential Order 9066 must be regarded "reasonable precautions."
This is not something that I worry about, but it doesn't mean that theres not anything to worry about.
Vi you do understand that the constitution has been amended and I'm sure that it will be again and I have fear of this just as you do. I also have read you enough to know that your not a strict constitutionlist.
15. We should unquestioningly honor the wishes of our age-old allies, even when said allies no longer act like our allies and have vested economic interests in propping up our enemies.
I say what allies? I have only seen allies when interests intersect and when they diverge so do the allies. A close look at ww1, ww2 or ww3 and you should note that interests and allies diverge at the same point.
16. Socialized medicine is the ideal. Nevermind all those people who spend every dime they have to get to the United States so they can get quality medical care...that their nation's socialized medical community can't provide.
There are gaps in medical care and the emergency room is socialized medicine for the poor and illegals.
17. Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky and Natalie Maines are perfectly qualified to criticize our leadership, but Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston, and Dennis Miller are just ignorant political hacks.
The first three are liers and spiners, two actors and a comedian.
18. John Lott's research on how gun ownership reduces crime is junk science, but Michael Bellesiles is still an authority on why gun control is good (even though he was forced to resign from Emory due to research misconduct over his book "Arming America").
I'm with you here.
19. Bush's toppling the Saddam regime was a "diversion," but Clinton's lobbing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraq in the thick of the Lewinsky sex scandal was "sending a message."
Nether were a diversion nor ment to be.
20. A president who lies under oath is okay, but a president who references sixteen words from an allies' intelligence report should be dragged through the streets naked.
Bill was asked if he had had sex with lewinsky, he asked for their definition of sex, they defined it as intercourse and he properly said that he hadn't had sex with lewinsky. To do otherwise would have been lying under oath and that would be perjury. I thank you should know this, so if you say this again it would be you that is lying.
As for bush I don't think anyone really wants to see him naked, though their are some strange people.
21. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning Second Amendment rights and shopping the courts for judges sympathetic to causes that wouldn't pass in any legislature.
Yes I agree. Both sides do this.
I seem to have forgot what part of the constitution alows the government to limit what a woman can do with her body and how this is can be used to stop her from aborting a fetus?
22. "The People" in the First Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Fourth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Ninth Amendment means The People; "the People" in the Tenth Amendment means The People; but "the People" in the Second Amendment (ratified in 1791) means the National Guard (created by an Act of Congress in 1903).
As I have said I'm with you on the 2nd amendment.
23. You support a woman's "right to choose" to kill her unborn child, but don't believe that same woman is competent enough to homeschool the children she bears.
I would say that a woman choosing to abort a fetus gives proof shes incompetent, and shouldn't homeschool past prekindergarden.
24. Proven draft-dodging is irrelevant, but baseless claims of AWOL status is crucial to national security.
Bill was in school and would have been war or not.
That cannot be truely stated as draft-dodging and stating that its proven is simply a lie.
I will say that joining the national guard in that time was just a legal way to avoid the draft if you had the pull and money to get in. As far as being AWOL the claim is not baseless and is more than likely true. I did the samething for 2 weeks and for 3 days a lot of times and got away with it. I would not and could not find fault for this. He did his job and the US wasn't invaded on his watch. The point is moot.
25. Threatening to boycott Dr. Laura's and Rush Limbaugh's advertisers is exercising Freedom of Speech, but threatening to boycott CBS's "The Reagans" and Liberal actors over their asinine anti-American remarks is censorship and McCarthyist blacklisting.
I wouldn't boycott eather, but I think that a boycott of both would be great.
Git back to me on these things Vi if you like.
mockingbird131313
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Leave Bushie out of this, please. This is no more or less ridiculous than Jimmy Carter and the Camp David Accords. The "palestine situation" is simple. Palestinians are the worst and most useless culture on earth. No one wants the miserable cur-dogs near them. After all, there are over a dozen countries in the middle east and the only people willing to put up with the palestinians, on ANY level are the jews.
Certainly, none of the camel-jockey dictatorships will ever give them a camp to settle into or a field to till. Why, you ask? Because palestinians are too lazy to work and only wish to steal and murder.
Bush is a fool for even hosting this farce.
pandabear
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a little harsh isnt it mockingbird
i still stick to my story, regardless of these insults, Not sure what the motive is but either way, lets let our words speak for themselves as it seems like im being antagonized
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
Yes, Sir. My words are very harsh, due to the sad reality of the situation. I realize there are exceptions to all generalizations. However, the palestinians have proven countless times to be a people of no good. At this point, I like most of the arab world, could care less about them. I hope the Israelis administer very-tough love to them.
The good will survive and the bad people will be buried.
And you Sir, have a legitimate right to voice your opinions here. I have no quarrel with you. Only with terrorists that strap bombs to their bodies, and with the cowards that support terrorists. I wish I could read and speak a second language with the proficiency you demonstrate.
medicineman
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Bush is a fool for even hosting this farce.
Geeze, I never thought we'd agree on anything but we have a direct agreement here. It is a last gasp effort to do something useful for his legacy, one that will haunt him for the rest of his days as the worst president ever.
Geeze, I never thought we'd agree on anything but we have a direct agreement here. It is a last gasp effort to do something useful for his legacy, one that will haunt him for the rest of his days as the worst president ever.
threatlevelorange
Well-Known Member
I wonder how many Americans feel he really is the worst ever.
medicineman
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I'm pretty sure it is a pretty high number. Even people I know that voted for him, twice no less, have had it with his bullshit. My wifes Boss finally admitted he fucked up when he voted for the asshole the second time, ya gotta forgive him for the first, but the real dumb assholes voted for him the second time, are you one of those,~LOL~?
Wavels
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Sorry med, but.....
Only history can judge with any degree of accuracy...it has a tendency to be a tad more objective.
Those who make bold prognostications regarding GWBs place in history are almost certain to be gravely disappointed.
Only time will tell!
pandabear
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it doesn't matter what people think
Judas was a bad person in everyone's eyes right? well they are all wrong
Judas was one of the closest disciples of Jesus. He was the only one who was entrusted by Jesus to carry out a betrayal on him as they had both planned in advance, so he could become a martyr and become what he is today a martyr whose teachings are being followed thousands of years after the fact. That is why Jesus was so afraid the night before they came and took him. he didn't want to die but felt it was the only way for his great teachings of kindness to be established and followed. this is why Jesus told the the other disciples that he would be betrayed. because it was all preplanned and he knew it in advance, and he trusted only Judas his closest friend with this task that would destroy his and his families name.
Judas name shall be besmirched forever, but its ok, Judas new this but did it anyway for the cause.
I could be wrong about the above. prolly 50% 50% chance im right.
I think people like Bush don't really care much about their legacies. much less than the type of person like Bill Clinton.
better to save the world and be remembered as a Judas than let the world die and be remembered a hero.
there are so many misconceptions and untruths that people believe so strongly. Its sad that we as a people are so dumb in that sense. Gullible would be the word really.
Judas was a bad person in everyone's eyes right? well they are all wrong
Judas was one of the closest disciples of Jesus. He was the only one who was entrusted by Jesus to carry out a betrayal on him as they had both planned in advance, so he could become a martyr and become what he is today a martyr whose teachings are being followed thousands of years after the fact. That is why Jesus was so afraid the night before they came and took him. he didn't want to die but felt it was the only way for his great teachings of kindness to be established and followed. this is why Jesus told the the other disciples that he would be betrayed. because it was all preplanned and he knew it in advance, and he trusted only Judas his closest friend with this task that would destroy his and his families name.
Judas name shall be besmirched forever, but its ok, Judas new this but did it anyway for the cause.
I could be wrong about the above. prolly 50% 50% chance im right.
I think people like Bush don't really care much about their legacies. much less than the type of person like Bill Clinton.
better to save the world and be remembered as a Judas than let the world die and be remembered a hero.
there are so many misconceptions and untruths that people believe so strongly. Its sad that we as a people are so dumb in that sense. Gullible would be the word really.