Think Different attempted Seed Run by Newbie. Help and Advice appreciated.

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Oldcourierguy

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Dutch Passion Seed Company Think Different 3 seed pack.

In preparation for next summers grow, I will be attempting a seed run. Never purposely grew seeds before.

1 Seed planted on Nov 17. Popped on the 20. Sitting under a single t5 until it grows bigger.

The plan is to treat the first plant with Tiresias mist so it will produce pollen. In 2 more weeks, I will plant the remaining 2 seeds. From what I read, the female plants need to be 3 weeks behind the plant treated with Tiresias Mist.
 

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Jeffdogg

Jeffdogg

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Oldcourierguy said:
Dutch Passion Seed Company Think Different 3 seed pack.

In preparation for next summers grow, I will be attempting a seed run. Never purposely grew seeds before.

1 Seed planted on Nov 17. Popped on the 20. Sitting under a single t5 until it grows bigger.

The plan is to treat the first plant with Tiresias mist so it will produce pollen. In 2 more weeks, I will plant the remaining 2 seeds. From what I read, the female plants need to be 3 weeks behind the plant treated with Tiresias Mist.
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1 plant will produce more seeds then you use for the next few years easily. Like hundreds if not 1k+

Also you get them on the same plant you spray. So you can do w/e with the other 2
 
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BCJohn

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I like the idea of being able to use a single plant to produce my own seeds.

Jeff, can you explain the timing of the spraying for this situation? If OCG just grows the one plant how should he do it? I would love to do this with one or two of my special strains.
 
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Jeffdogg

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Well i've been using the Ga3 method, I buy it off of ebay that have the spoon and directions for the proper ppm. So heres the way of things:

On Average Auto flowers kick into gear roughly around week 3, you start seeing hairs and changes in the stem etc. When that happens I usually wait a week more then I apply it according to the directions provided. When you stress the plant or if the plants stresses on its own it will start to develope male parts as a survival tactic. Spraying Ga3 or the like will stress the plant to do the same. You want to do it around the time the plants starts to flower so the pollen sacs and hairs/calyxes all grow around the same time. When the pollen sacs are ready they open up and pollinate the female then you just wait for the plant to finish. you have to "cure" the seeds which is pretty much just leaving them in a cool dark dry place. They have to be dry before using them :)
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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let me see if i have some horror story pics
and i researched the hell out of it and have a $300 + scale i used to use when JWH-018 was still the hot thing]

*edit i looked and couldnt find any of the la frutta pics if i find some i will post em i had roughly a foot of stretch between calyx's

lol i got lost on the forum

i thought this was the other seed crop thread >.<
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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with the TM you can just spray one branch when it starts to preflower and just follow the directions but just spray that one branch every node daily or what ever the directions say
 
Jeffdogg

Jeffdogg

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tekdc911 said:
let me see if i have some horror story pics
and i researched the hell out of it and have a $300 + scale i used to use when JWH-018 was still the hot thing]

*edit i looked and couldnt find any of the la frutta pics if i find some i will post em i had roughly a foot of stretch between calyx's

lol i got lost on the forum

i thought this was the other seed crop thread >.<
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018 was the best, after that died i was using Am-2201
 
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BCJohn

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Thanks!
I was going to ask about one or more branches. So it makes no real difference how much of the plant you spray as long as the sacs develope at the same time as the flowers... Perfect!

Fem Malawi I my future???? :)
 
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BCJohn

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Any experience doing the same thing with colloidal silver?
it would be easy to make some for me next grow.
 
crazykiwi420

crazykiwi420

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I have 50 ppm colloidal silver but haven't used it yet, going to make some malawi fems.The only synthetic weed I smoked was the stuff with jwh 018 in it, that stuff was good with not a bad high like the new shit. Aren't you meant to pollinate the mother from a cutting? I'm sure I've read it reduces the hermie traits?.Think Different will be amazing, huge yielder. My blackberry auto strain has some massive buds on it.
 
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tekdc911

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you know ive heard that too about the hermi trait i just cant bring myself to believe it i dont see how pollinating from a cutting would be any different honestly
 
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BCJohn

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I have zero experience with this but so far what I have read makes me think most of the talk about Hermie is nothing but talk. It sounds like very few people have any real understanding about what's happening in the plants.

There is a bit of information in the Breeders Paradise forum about the role of copper ions in the development of female flowers. If I understand it copper ions are used in female plants to trigger the development of their flowers. If you spray them with CS the silver binds with the copper receptor sites and stops the copper ions from triggering the development of female flowers. This causes the plant to think it is a male and produce balls. You need to start the spray before the flowers start to form and continue for a while after the balls have developed. No agreement on how long nor how much to use (ppm).

All of this makes sense to my limited plant biology understanding. Also works to certain extent with mammalian biology as well if you change to hormones.

There isn't all that much on CS use here other than arguing. I'm curious to hear more on actual technique people have used and what the results were like. There is so little real research that has been done in a lab setting most of this kind of topic is not understood at all. I doubt a body sprays CS on other types of plants.
 
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Jeffdogg

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BCJohn said:
I have zero experience with this but so far what I have read makes me think most of the talk about Hermie is nothing but talk. It sounds like very few people have any real understanding about what's happening in the plants.

There is a bit of information in the Breeders Paradise forum about the role of copper ions in the development of female flowers. If I understand it copper ions are used in female plants to trigger the development of their flowers. If you spray them with CS the silver binds with the copper receptor sites and stops the copper ions from triggering the development of female flowers. This causes the plant to think it is a male and produce balls. You need to start the spray before the flowers start to form and continue for a while after the balls have developed. No agreement on how long nor how much to use (ppm).

All of this makes sense to my limited plant biology understanding. Also works to certain extent with mammalian biology as well if you change to hormones.

There isn't all that much on CS use here other than arguing. I'm curious to hear more on actual technique people have used and what the results were like. There is so little real research that has been done in a lab setting most of this kind of topic is not understood at all. I doubt a body sprays CS on other types of plants.
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Your trying to get way to technical for something that is so simple. We have a very good understanding of whats going on its just going against what you have read so your challenging it in a way and also insulting us saying we dont know whats going on. This is gonna be the easiest way and most simplest way for you understand. If after this next statement you still cant comprehend whats going on its obvious your trying to troll and most of us prob wont spend too much time in here or any other of your threads.

When a plant goes into stress it creates parts of the opposite sex along with the parts of the plants natural gender. Using CS/Ga3/etc... Will cause the plant to stress, we are stressing the plants on purpose so it will have both gender parts. When doing so at the start of flower the gender parts grow together and at the proper time the male pollen sacs will open up and pollinate the female parts. The seeds that are produced are exact genetic copes of the plant they came from.

Marijuana plants are brought down to a science all the major research is over and done with, no need to get all gogo gadget biology degree on us. Gotta learn to keep it simple ;-)
 
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Jeffdogg

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Jeffdogg said:
Your trying to get way to technical for something that is so simple. We have a very good understanding of whats going on its just going against what you have read so your challenging it in a way and also insulting us saying we dont know whats going on. This is gonna be the easiest way and most simplest way for you understand. If after this next statement you still cant comprehend whats going on its obvious your trying to troll and most of us prob wont spend too much time in here or any other of your threads.

When a plant goes into stress it creates parts of the opposite sex along with the parts of the plants natural gender. Using CS/Ga3/etc... Will cause the plant to stress, we are stressing the plants on purpose so it will have both gender parts. When doing so at the start of flower the gender parts grow together and at the proper time the male pollen sacs will open up and pollinate the female parts. The seeds that are produced are exact genetic copes of the plant they came from.

Marijuana plants are brought down to a science all the major research is over and done with, no need to get all gogo gadget biology degree on us. Gotta learn to keep it simple ;-)
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Also im pretty sure you mean botany not biology?

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Sure biology might "apply" to plants, but you dont go to a milk man for cereal
 
crazykiwi420

crazykiwi420

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I'm sure self pollination is never good. I think a lot of people get hermies from fem seeds because of this.

I wonder if the TD seeds will turn out all auto-flowering? I know that if you cross regular auto seeds together that not all of them are auto-flowering, probably nake a TD x malawi but it will probably take 5 generations to make it 100% auto.
 
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70sdiver

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BCJohn said:
I have zero experience with this but so far what I have read makes me think most of the talk about Hermie is nothing but talk. It sounds like very few people have any real understanding about what's happening in the plants.

There is a bit of information in the Breeders Paradise forum about the role of copper ions in the development of female flowers. If I understand it copper ions are used in female plants to trigger the development of their flowers. If you spray them with CS the silver binds with the copper receptor sites and stops the copper ions from triggering the development of female flowers. This causes the plant to think it is a male and produce balls. You need to start the spray before the flowers start to form and continue for a while after the balls have developed. No agreement on how long nor how much to use (ppm).

All of this makes sense to my limited plant biology understanding. Also works to certain extent with mammalian biology as well if you change to hormones.

There isn't all that much on CS use here other than arguing. I'm curious to hear more on actual technique people have used and what the results were like. There is so little real research that has been done in a lab setting most of this kind of topic is not understood at all. I doubt a body sprays CS on other types of plants.
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Bro there's a killer thread at auto flower.net on collodial silver.i've done one run with lowryder 2.You are correct you need to start spraying about a week before they show sex.
 
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EverythingsHazy

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crazykiwi420 said:
I'm sure self pollination is never good. I think a lot of people get hermies from fem seeds because of this.

I wonder if the TD seeds will turn out all auto-flowering? I know that if you cross regular auto seeds together that not all of them are auto-flowering, probably nake a TD x malawi but it will probably take 5 generations to make it 100% auto.
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Auto x Auto = Auto

Auto x Photo = All Photo with auto gene (f1)

F1 x F1 = Half Auto Half Not.

AN auto crossed with an auto will make all autos.
 
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BCJohn

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crazykiwi420 said:
Aren't you meant to pollinate the mother from a cutting? I'm sure I've read it reduces the hermie traits?.
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CK,

I can't seem to work out in my head how using a cutting would decrease the hermie traits. When you take a cutting you are just regrowing the mother plant. So if you then use pollen from it to fertilize the mother plant it would still be the same genetic material doing and being fertilized. Shouldn't it do all the same stuff? Unless it is just a question of the amount of stress the mother is exposed to... Stress the clone and pollinate the mother... I can see that being a good idea. Healthier for the mother at least.

Did if I just answer myself?
 
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crazykiwi420

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EverythingsHazy said:
Auto x Auto = Auto

Auto x Photo = All Photo with auto gene (f1)

F1 x F1 = Half Auto Half Not.

AN auto crossed with an auto will make all autos.
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Maybe in the native ruderalis place(arctic circle) they would be all autos. I've asked the staff from the tropical seed company If I crossed their regular auto strain onto itself again and they said not all the progeny would be autos, about 80%. I am highly impressed with my first auto plant.
 
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