Thinking about growing poppies?

tibberous

Well-Known Member
I was playing around with an idea - here are the numbers I came up with:

- it takes one acre to grow 9 kilos of opium in a YEAR
- 9 kilos of opium will make 2 pounds of heroin
- at $150/gram, 2 pounds of heroin is $67,500 - my GUESS is that a pound of heroin, bought as a pound, is about 30-40k
- even at the one pound level, heroin is only around 60-70% pure, so you could have 3 pounds if you cut... figure around 100k, minus expenses (there are quite a few, and some of the chems to make heroin are restricted)

While 100k doesn't sound bad, that is off an ACRE. Granted, poppies aren't watched like weed, but if people on Google earth are seeing your shit, your probably in trouble. Legally, you'd probably do better to get caught with an acre of human body parts than some poppies.

Biggest reason it sucks though is because weed is just a lot more valuable. Figure 6 harvests in a year... 100,000/6... $16,000 a harvest... divided by $1500... 10 pounds every two months -- not going to take an acre to grow 10 pounds.

Now, to be fair, I'm not sure how the 9 kilos / acre / year was derived (I got it from http://opioids.com/jh/) Maybe someone with better equipment, nutes, techniques, ect. could improve dramatically on it, but it still doesn't seem like growing poppies will ever compete with growing weed. I would even go so far as to say, if you were addicted to opiates, and only wanted them for personal, you would still probably do better to grow weed, sell it and buy heroin, in most situations.

Anyway, just figured I'd post this - it actually too a long time to get those numbers. Feel free to chime in if I have anything wrong.
 

Nusky

New Member
Just stick with a few opium poppies. Score them let it bleed, collect and smoke! Why would you want to sell something that ruins lives like heroin?
 

echlectica

Well-Known Member
Well I'm not trying to make skag but I got 1000 poppy seeds last year. I have not gotten any to sprout. I'm thinking the seeds are not viable but I'm going to try and plant some outside so they go through the winter and see what happens.
 

echlectica

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I would even go so far as to say, if you were addicted to opiates, and only wanted them for personal, you would still probably do better to grow weed, sell it and buy heroin, in most situations.
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I have known a few people like that in my time. In lane county Oregon it was common for the Mexicans to just straight up trade dope for weed to junkie growers. a sad situation to say the least.
 

RavenMochi

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I think the OP's point was that he doesn't understand why it would be done by anyone, considering the risk, inefficiency, even if opiates were your thing, like he said, you're better off growing weed and selling it and buying the opiates with that money.
 

tibberous

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I think the OP's point was that he doesn't understand why it would be done by anyone
Yeah, I know :P

I know a lot of people have moved to heroin just because the supply of cocaine / crack is so shitty. Another great effect of the war on drugs...
 

tibberous

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I really only know information on the stuff I use (cannabis)

Just for fun though, do you know the figures growing coca plants?
No idea, but my guess would be even worse. For a while, people where actually getting coca leaves shipped to the US -- like kilos of leaves.

Out of 5 kilos of leaves, you can get 24 grams of cocaine, which is probably the equivalent of 50 grams of street-grade coke.

No idea what it takes to grow 5 kilos of DRIED leaves, but I'm guessing it's pretty damn hard.
 

RavenMochi

Well-Known Member
No idea, but my guess would be even worse. For a while, people where actually getting coca leaves shipped to the US -- like kilos of leaves.

Out of 5 kilos of leaves, you can get 24 grams of cocaine, which is probably the equivalent of 50 grams of street-grade coke.

No idea what it takes to grow 5 kilos of DRIED leaves, but I'm guessing it's pretty damn hard.
Yea, but if its for personal use, I here chewing on the leaves is good stuff to. Obviously its not going to give you the same rush as a line, but just sayin.
 

Corbat420

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#1: You need an ARMY of workers to process that many opium pods. it takes 20+ People to harvest every ACRE of land.....
#2: Do you know how to do Acid / Base reactions for drug purification? If not you better Learn.
#3: You will NEVER got $30,000 / Lb. its more like $25,000 CAD per KILO.... and thats the Terror Dope, 70+% Active compounds.....

Poppies don't come from Columbia bro. lol You're thinking about coke. Poppies are grown and harvested in Afghanistan and converted into heroin there as well.
Actualy Opium poppies come from India, Afghanistan, Thailand, China, England, Argentina and Canada...... Most poppies harvested in Afghanistan are turned into Raw opium, then then Raw is shipped to Pakistan and india where it is turned into Heroin. England produces ALL of the Morphine and Codine used in medicine...

But yes, Coke is the main export of south america.....
 

The Cryptkeeper

Well-Known Member
#1: You need an ARMY of workers to process that many opium pods. it takes 20+ People to harvest every ACRE of land.....
#2: Do you know how to do Acid / Base reactions for drug purification? If not you better Learn.
#3: You will NEVER got $30,000 / Lb. its more like $25,000 CAD per KILO.... and thats the Terror Dope, 70+% Active compounds.....

Actualy Opium poppies come from India, Afghanistan, Thailand, China, England, Argentina and Canada...... Most poppies harvested in Afghanistan are turned into Raw opium, then then Raw is shipped to Pakistan and india where it is turned into Heroin. England produces ALL of the Morphine and Codine used in medicine...

But yes, Coke is the main export of south america.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

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You may be right about the processing into heroin part, even though a great deal is still produced in Afghanistan, but the VAST majority of opium is produced in Afghanistan. Because that's where all the poppies are.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The scoring of pods and collecting of gum opium is labor-intensive in the same way that pre-mechanized cotton farming was. I grew a garden patch of poppies some years ago, and the time I spent slicing&scraping was ... a few hours to get a few grams of opium.
The recipe for converting raw opium to heroin is out there on the net. Good luck finding acetic anhydride however. cn
 

tibberous

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#1: You need an ARMY of workers to process that many opium pods. it takes 20+ People to harvest every ACRE of land.....
Didn't think about harvest, but yeah, that would a lot of work.

#2: Do you know how to do Acid / Base reactions for drug purification? If not you better Learn.
Back in the day, this was my preferred method for extracting PSE. Wash with acetone, add sodium bicarb, wash again.

#3: You will NEVER got $30,000 / Lb. its more like $25,000 CAD per KILO.... and thats the Terror Dope, 70+% Active compounds.....
Again you might be right, little hard to get accurate estimates when you start talking pounds of stuff. Hell, even weed you'll here numbers from $800 to $4,500lb - probably some rich fuck smoking $14,000 / lb shit, just cause his dad gave him a few mil and he don't give a shit.
 

Corbat420

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The scoring of pods and collecting of gum opium is labor-intensive in the same way that pre-mechanized cotton farming was.
Exactly. theres a BAD history of Slavery and Cotton picking for a reason. im not trying to be an asshole or anything, but its true.

it took me 5-6 HOURS of harvesting (without counting the time scoring the pods...) to get 1.8 Grams of Raw opium. which, if turned into H would be like .2-.4 Grams.... 1 hit. 80 pods = 2 grams Raw in my experience.

P.S: Lime and Ammonia Opium Extraction is what your going to want to learn......
 
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