Oh yeah and you say top bin you have the product number for the cree diodes that are apparently top bin
This for all the LED haters! Is that blurple I see kicking HID butt?
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whitebb2727
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You keep saying that. Yea. I agree. Price needs to come down.
I don't agree with the car analogy. I'd be willing to bet the watt for watt the unit farm dies just as good as cob or pcb. I would probably give a bit of an edge to boards.
Those were already supplied in this or another thread.
Looks like those xpe2 are alot less output vs Samsung and anything lower than the top 2 bins is complete trash
whitebb2727
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Yea. Yea.
Keep talking. You will be singing the praises of something else a year from now.
Here an article from 2012 about those didoes I personally want some tech from the last 5 years at least if I'm paying over $2 a watt.
http://www.powerelectronics.com/lighting-systems/143-lumens-watt-new-led
Edit: note the 140lm/w is with 6000k that would drop significantly with a useable spectrum
Yeah your right I stay on top of the new tech I will be praising new more effecient lights. Was that supposed to be insulting or a compliment? If blurple become effecient enough I will praise it
whitebb2727
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And? So what. Thought lumens didn't matter. That's a measurement for the human eye.
Again. I agree the price should be lower but the light is different than most blurple junk.
I would imagine that the xpe2 has gotten better in the last few years.
You show an old article that mentions lumens which we don't care about when growing.
You then claim you will praise new tech. New tech is just evolved old tech.
I'm not sure where the xpe2 stands now for numbers but they work. Work better than epistar and such most use.
You then say look at chilLed. Yea. About $3 a watt. Sure. May be a few more lumens per watt. It's still costly.
I mentioned chilled new plug an play diy for the same price you get a much more effecient light I know their commercial fixtures cost more they are also much better. And that's the newest article I found on the xpe2 if you have better info I would be happy to see it or are you just reading us a unit farm brochure? Just because this blurple crap is better than most doesn't make it good or worth the price. You say it's better than all other blurple? Well for 3x the price it should be. https://chilledgrowlights.com/our-products-services/diy-led-grow-light-kits/chilled-300w-linear-plug-and-play-kit
That would beat unit farms 360w light for the same price and less power draw
growin-Jables
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hold on.......is that a typo....18 was veg....
growin-Jables
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I agree....blurples are definitely not cheaper than hps. lol. haha I cant remember who said here but saying that noobs think just because there plants aren't dying that there lights are just off the charts. every single person I have ever talked to who uses blurples ....has always grown with blurples. and nothing else. which is why you dont see a single experienced grower using them. It's a scam system if you think about. blurple manufacturers saw business potential now that weed is becoming legal more and more. and all these inexperienced growers wanna grow there own. So they make the minimum quality light to keep a plant alive, and charge you 200 bucks for a 200w actual draw light......Whoever said blurples are cheaper is 100% wrong and incorrect. I can buy a 600w hps for couple hundred bucks. yield a lb. from it consistently. You can pay the same amount 200 bucks for a 200w draw light that claims it can keep up with a 600w hps. but really cant even keep up with a 400w hps. I prefer Cmh over hps. just because I'm not about yields but more about quality. but even cmh being onthe more expensove side for hid. Still cheaper than blurples when I look at results and return investment.
growin-Jables
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that's still really really small for 18 wks....normal veg time for those size plants with topping and only 3 colas is 4-6 wks max. something is seriously stunting your growth
Kingrow1
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The whole led thing is a scam when you take a step back..
boilingoil
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I believe the only scam is you not knowing how to grow these plants or not having the patience to figure out how to grow them.
TacoMac
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It is and it isn't.
Some people are rating their lights inappropriately, that's for sure. They do the same thing with stereos and amplifiers. It's up to the consumer to do the actual homework to make sure they're buying a proper device.
For instance, you see a Yamaha stereo that boast 75 watts RMS and an off brand stereo boasting 400 watts. The uneducated person will buy the 400 watt brand thinking he's getting more power when he's not. It's where they rate that 400 watts and at what frequency that gives them the "legal" ability to put that 400 watt label on it.
Then of course that person is shocked when they hear how loud and crystal clear the Yamaha is when it's rated so much lower in power.
LED's are no different. You get these companies like Viaspectra that intentionally miss-rate their lights. For instance, they advertise this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M?aaxitk=L.Q2ObKs520SVABPK35Amw&pd_rd_i=B019ETLC7M&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3930100107420870094&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-top-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=led+grow+light&hsa_cr_id=3132274370801
as a 600 watt LED light. But lets do the homework. How do they get that rating? Well, they get it by saying, "- (120pcs) High Intensity 5W Bridgelux/Epileds LEDs"
So, to them, since they have 120 bulbs on the fixture that have a maximum rating of 5 watts, that gives you a 600 watt fixture.
It's an outright, blatant lie as far as USEABLE power is concerned. When you look at the actual power rating of the fixture, you find this: "- Avg. Power Draw: 269W±3%
So in reality, you have at best a 275 watt light fixture.
So does it REALLY compare to a 600 watt HPS? Absolutely not. Not even in the ballpark. Hell, it's not even the same sport. And THAT is where a lot of people go wrong.
But if you do your homework you very quickly find out why the more expensive LED's are that expensive: They actually are WORTH IT because they actually have THE POWER.
A proper LED fixture in the proper setting is every bit as good as MH/HPS. The problem right now is all the misinformation around LED's with no industry standards to regulate how they're rated.
So do the homework. There's a reason those cheap LED lights are in fact so cheap.
Kingrow1
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The scam is so many coming in here thinking they know but in reality they dont, this is what drove the bad science and hyped prices that puts you in the position you are presently in.
I however am better than a lot of what joins up recently and seem to have a much more realistic grasp on science and growing.
I did not teach noobs that leds are cool and solve heat problems, i taught noobs how to set the right ambients and then choose any damn light they please.
Please
TacoMac
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It's a fine light. You should be.
But again, check the specifications on it. CLW doesn't say "We have 120 bulbs that have a max power rating of 5 watts so it's a 600 watt light."
CLW clearly states, "Max power draw on this fixture is 350 watts into 440 watts max bulb handling." So it's a much higher quality light fixture.
But that's also why the Viaspectra "600 watt" that's really only a 275 watt fixture is $169.00 and the CLW 440 that is actually a 350 watt light is $900.00.
You get what you pay for.
quirk
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Roger that-235 Veg / 320 Bloom/ 350 Bloom+UVB. $650 from GrowersHouse a couple
