Rob Roy
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Do you think the people that shot him have superior rights over you or I ?
This is gonna get interesting! Militia takes over Ore. federal building after protest.
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Do you think the people that shot him have superior rights over you or I ?
Rob Roy
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No, defensive force is used to repel offensive force when somebody is in the act of attacking or threatening to attack.
He was, at least initially, clearly trying to avoid a confrontation.
What makes you think I'm a white power aficionado Poopy Pants? I'm not, but I figured your answer might be entertaining.
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pnwmystery
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This is such an incredibly stupid argument. Are you the same person that when you get pulled over you start shouting "AM I BEING DETAINED? NATURAL RIGHTS," at the top of your lungs?
Rob Roy
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No, I rarely shout.
Why is the argument stupid? Do you think some people have more rights than others?
UncleBuck
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ramming a roadblock and reaching for a gun is not the best way to avoid a confrontation.
it's the way you constantly state that it should be legal to kick people out of stores based on their skin color.
Rob Roy
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He didn't ram a road block, he drove thru deep snow trying to avoid it.
No, I constantly state that the owner of a given property should determine the use of it, I've said multiple times that the race of the owner is irrelevant. So, your allegation is inaccurate, just like your toilet aim.
UncleBuck
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nearly hit a man in the process then he jumped out and reached for a gun.
not really avoiding a confrontation. more like causing one.
so you don't want to make it legal for store owners to kick people out based on skin color?
Rob Roy
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On one hand (your first two sentences) you correctly imply a person avoiding a confrontation is in a defensive position.
Then in your last sentence, you imply a person causing a confrontation (determining the use of another persons property forcibly) is also in the defensive position.
Hey look, both sides of your mouth moving at once!
budlover13
King Tut
Basically, he died as he wished. He was willing to give his life for something. I would be interested in reading more about the guy. Journals, blogs, social media posts, etc. Just pondering what his main point was. Doubt it was grazing rights, but maybe government overreach?
Just highdeas.
pnwmystery
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Do you think they have any less rights than others?
Rob Roy
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I think if you or I have the right to use defensive force other people do too.
I think if you or I do not have the right to use offensive force (be the initiator of force) people wearing a costume and a badge do not have that right either.
Do you agree or do you think Police have more rights than you do?
pnwmystery
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Could actually be interesting, yeah.
pnwmystery
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Pretty much, but I don't think it's just a costume and a silly badge. It's a job, a job that requires the use of force if necessary. For all they know and knew these people were heavily armed, and dangerous. Finicum had stated multiple times on record in interviews that he was not going to be taken alive, that he would use force if the police tried to make a move, and he was ready to stand his ground. So, when he comes barreling out of a vehicle and reaches into his jacket, what do you think he's doing? Pulling out a handkerchief to wave a white flag of surrender? Or reaching for a gun.
NLXSK1
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So, each individual has a right to use defensive force?
Lets say you have 2 neighbors, Stan and Bob. Stan and Bob get into a disagreement and start fighting with each other. Can you intervene? I mean, you are only allowed to use defensive force but if you try to get in the middle suddenly you are using offensive force.
Logically, based upon your explanation, nobody has the right to get between Stan and Bob using any force, it is up to them to fight it out until one dies or both are too incapacitate to continue.
Rob Roy
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You are equivocating, you either agree or not...also the "just doing my job excuse" is lame
It looked like the "dangerous people" shot a man trying to avoid a confrontation.
Badges don't grant extra rights.
Rob Roy
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When Stan and Bob got in a fight who initiated the fight? Was it mutual?
Can a person intervene ? Good question. Is the intervention to cease the fight, aid the defending person (if there is one) or to aid the initial aggressor?
budlover13
King Tut
So who's the internet guru here? Definitely not me. Add in 12 hour workdays and I will just pick up what I can.
Fogdog
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I've had a look at some of the stuff he wrote. He was in a Mormon fantasy. Sorry, he seemed like somebody that I'd be happy to know but he was in a different place. In one of his fantasy stories his character killed off his neighbors in a 2nd amendment fantasy. Of course it was all justified. In an interview, he went over how the ranchers came to this country and found unoccupied land and settled it, which justified ranchers owning it. Never mentioned native Americans. I honestly grieve in a small way for him but he wasn't of this world already. In my opinion.
ChesusRice
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Sounds like Rob Roy
Rrog
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Lol. Is that who you're all arguing with? He was maybe the FIRST person I put on ignore years ago. Complete waste of time this guy. Complete