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3rd Monkey

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Kingrow1 said:
No one has ever found ploidy or seen its effects in marijuana - its touted here because of the idea it can produce super plants which it does so in melons and pumpkins hence the massive world record varieties.

Wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploidy

says just an extra set of chromosomes and gives you a good read but note it says not all plant species.

Hemp yes cannabis no but cannabis has very complex genetics so no one knows for surecwhat it does in some areas like its sex genetics.


If you actually had a ploidy plant you might find you have some ultra rare situation and would instantly be paid millions for them - obviously a gazillion growers and not one documented scientific polyploid.

I can but ramble - in reality its myth stuff just ignore it till the scientific community make a global anouncement and freely share the genetic map for it, stoners smoke too much and embelish weed like its a magic plant that can do everything.

Hope that helps and gives you some confidence to read more on wiki and other plant species ploidy and how they made super plants - all very interesting :-)
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That didn't really help at all but I'll check into it now lol.
 
3rd Monkey

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Kingrow1 said:
I guess a lot is quite complex but easily read on wiki, genetics is a fucker of a subject overall i think its easier to dumb it down and generalise more :-)
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I feel like you are right. I'm finding quite a bit on cannabis polyploids though... Looks just like what I had.

Haven't found any clear determinations on polyploidity not being found in cannabis, though it's pretty rare I guess.

Then again, I've only dipped a toe in the water.
 
Kingrow1

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3rd Monkey said:
I feel like you are right. I'm finding quite a bit on cannabis polyploids though... Looks just like what I had.

Haven't found any clear determinations on polyploidity not being found in cannabis, though it's pretty rare I guess.

Then again, I've only dipped a toe in the water.
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Im right on a lot of stuff but theres too much counter stuff out there. I feel you had whorlled phylotaxy more than ploidy at a guess which isnt a trait but a loss of apical dominance.

Why mj might never have ploidy is because it resists change and has rock solid dna so this mutation can never happen. Isolation in mountain valkeies with little chance of evolving means you do the opposite and resist evolution and change - case in point species stuck in underground caves that never evolved due to no competition or pressure. All genetic complicated stuff :-)
 
3rd Monkey

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Kingrow1 said:
Im right on a lot of stuff but theres too much counter stuff out there. I feel you had whorlled phylotaxy more than ploidy at a guess which isnt a trait but a loss of apical dominance.

Why mj might never have ploidy is because it resists change and has rock solid dna so this mutation can never happen. Isolation in mountain valkeies with little chance of evolving means you do the opposite and resist evolution and change - case in point species stuck in underground caves that never evolved due to no competition or pressure. All genetic complicated stuff :-)
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Definitely wasn't the whorl. I'm finding everywhere that cannabis can and is, as in right now, being forced into polyploidism with a chemical called colchicine.

Those plants look exactly like what I had, grew the same way they say, and produced the same way.
 
CaseyJones84

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Kingrow1 said:
No one has ever found ploidy or seen its effects in marijuana - its touted here because of the idea it can produce super plants which it does so in melons and pumpkins hence the massive world record varieties.

Wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploidy

says just an extra set of chromosomes and gives you a good read but note it says not all plant species.

Hemp yes cannabis no but cannabis has very complex genetics so no one knows for surecwhat it does in some areas like its sex genetics.


If you actually had a ploidy plant you might find you have some ultra rare situation and would instantly be paid millions for them - obviously a gazillion growers and not one documented scientific polyploid.

I can but ramble - in reality its myth stuff just ignore it till the scientific community make a global anouncement and freely share the genetic map for it, stoners smoke too much and embelish weed like its a magic plant that can do everything.

Hope that helps and gives you some confidence to read more on wiki and other plant species ploidy and how they made super plants - all very interesting :-)
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Thank you so much for knowledge. So i will have keep y’all posted on how it does and finishes.
 
Kingrow1

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3rd Monkey said:
Definitely wasn't the whorl. I'm finding everywhere that cannabis can and is, as in right now, being forced into polyploidism with a chemical called colchicine.

Those plants look exactly like what I had, grew the same way they say, and produced the same way.
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So i frequent a site and no one tells me we now have ploidy genetics to throw qround and produce mega strains....

Please yesterday it was boveda, the rain fall before that ppfd and leds, bennies, calmag and on and on... literally were at 35% thc with new strains and old oneas dont compare... yer i read a lot of bs too over my time, you will get use to it eventually and just stick with the science not money and stoners :-)
 
3rd Monkey

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Kingrow1 said:
So i frequent a site and no one tells me we now have ploidy genetics to throw qround and produce mega strains....

Please yesterday it was boveda, the rain fall before that ppfd and leds, bennies, calmag and on and on... literally were at 35% thc with new strains and old oneas dont compare... yer i read a lot of bs too over my time, you will get use to it eventually and just stick with the science not money and stoners :-)
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Just telling you what I'm finding. Personally, I go against science all the time apparently. I don't know who wins, but I do ok lol. I'm no geneticist.
 
Kingrow1

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3rd Monkey said:
Just telling you what I'm finding. Personally, I go against science all the time apparently. I don't know who wins, but I do ok lol. I'm no geneticist.
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If somthing has changed very very recently then possibly there has been a breakthrough but what i say is from years of discussion here, youll have to keep an open mind that no one ever has had ploidy in the mj world ever up until this present point or we would know about it big time.

Back to your ploidy plant - whyvwas it ploidy? It has been discussed here that a real non mj hi tech lab would be needed for verification and super genetics are rare even in ploidy.

A million newer growers alwqys rlthink they have ploidy also which after time here youll start noticing :-)
 
3rd Monkey

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Kingrow1 said:
If somthing has changed very very recently then possibly there has been a breakthrough but what i say is from years of discussion here, youll have to keep an open mind that no one ever has had ploidy in the mj world ever up until this present point or we would know about it big time.

Back to your ploidy plant - whyvwas it ploidy? It has been discussed here that a real non mj hi tech lab would be needed for verification and super genetics are rare even in ploidy.

A million newer growers alwqys rlthink they have ploidy also which after time here youll start noticing :-)
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The guy that taught me told me that's what it was. I really wish I could remember the way he explained it, he used strawberries I remember.

Basically, the plant would push 4 growth tips per node, then again on each of those growth tips and so on. It was quite unruly and grew very rapidly.

During budding, I dont quite know how to explain it, bud it grew very strange but large buds. I got about 40 seeds out of it from an accidental outdoor pollination when I was trying to rid a male, but couldn't get them to sprout which was a shame.

I've had 3 or 4 just like that throughout the years, but never bred them unfortunately.

I have had other mutations, like the tri, but they never grew out of it. Had some other weird mutations with 2 growth tips coming out of the same tip, etc but nothing like the supposed polys.
 
Kingrow1

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3rd Monkey said:
The guy that taught me told me that's what it was. I really wish I could remember the way he explained it, he used strawberries I remember.

Basically, the plant would push 4 growth tips per node, then again on each of those growth tips and so on. It was quite unruly and grew very rapidly.

During budding, I dont quite know how to explain it, bud it grew very strange but large buds. I got about 40 seeds out of it from an accidental outdoor pollination when I was trying to rid a male, but couldn't get them to sprout which was a shame.

I've had 3 or 4 just like that throughout the years, but never bred them unfortunately.

I have had other mutations, like the tri, but they never grew out of it. Had some other weird mutations with 2 growth tips coming out of the same tip, etc but nothing like the supposed polys.
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Sorry thats loss of apical dominance and whorlled phy, one second whilst i rip google for a pic of your bud -

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My plant from years ago with whorlled phy on the stem and branches -

https://www.rollitup.org/t/omg-plant-gone-crazy.448247/


And the loss of apical dominance exolains all - merely stress reaction- think willow trees.

One other mention goes to fasciation but thats more a joining not this although in some species it looks similarcto that bud.

Notice these types of bud have a shitload of stem and leaf all crammed together - worst tasting bud ever.

:-)
 
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Yea that's not what I'm talking about lol. That does look weird though.

The first node shot 4 growth tips and 4 fans. Continued up til I topped it, because I had to. All the growth tips shot multiple growth tips even where they staggered, though not always 4.

Buds definitely didn't look like that though lol. Looks like a caterpillar or something lol. Can't imagine it tasting good with all that leaf.
 
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Ok, so I got a hold of him because it was bugging me lol. He actually still has a pic from 4 years ago (the last poly I had) that he sent me. It was a "taught him everything he knows" bust my balls pic but it has one in it.

He said it's a polyploid definitely. I hope you can make it out. It is the plant that I'm leaning over training.

That plant was the same age as the other big one, popped the same day for growth comparison.

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No bud pic from it unfortunately.
 
Kingrow1

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3rd Monkey said:
Yea that's not what I'm talking about lol. That does look weird though.

The first node shot 4 growth tips and 4 fans. Continued up til I topped it, because I had to. All the growth tips shot multiple growth tips even where they staggered, though not always 4.

Buds definitely didn't look like that though lol. Looks like a caterpillar or something lol. Can't imagine it tasting good with all that leaf.
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It is what im talking about - read my thread view the pics......

https://www.rollitup.org/t/omg-plant-gone-crazy.448247/

This is whorleed phylotaxy which merely describes loss of apical dominance - Im 100% here deal with this reguarly for a lot of new growers :-)
 
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View attachment 4295719 View attachment 4295720 I just finished reading this thread & sure enough, one of the better growing plants popped this in my face. Cheers
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Either damage to the apical tip of the branch or its whorlling from stress - do any branches have three and four nodes at places?

Almost all of this stuff will be either one thing or another but thats all it will be as there is no other conditions i know of :-)
 
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