This ovule (not seed) thing needs explained by an experienced grower please

I’ve been growing for a while now, this last run was my first in a year so I was getting back into things but still had my strains I’ve grown for few years alive 3 of them..

This go round I put up my gorilla tent that has been shoved into a bag and didn’t do any light checks my mistake.. so anyway I noticed my plants started to herm around week 5 and I started to check the bracts out and noticed the little balls everywhere so
I’m already thinking it was going to be all seeds then I searched and learned about ovules!

Here is my problem with it all! Now I’ve never noticed these things before but never cut open the bract until this round! At the same time I can remember buying bud and braking it up to find tons of micro seeds or ovules that havnt shrivel up by the end of the run! But this wasn’t normal it sounds to me like how your explaining it! Messing with taste and having that crackle sound! My bud only had few seeds at the end but I did notice more than normal little brown spots! No crackle and not enough to ruin taste!

But not when he had them I didnt even want to smoke it! I broke it all up push bud to side and try to leave Them out! I was clearly thinking his plant hermied and he sprayed something to stop it and that was what explained the tiny seeds or ovules! But seeing them in my room I don’t spray! Only difference is the amount! There is some reason for them to swell up and not shrink! I can’t wait to finish this next run So I can brake up my bud and see no little brown ovules!but Maybe it’s the older the plant? How long you’ve been running yours? I’m scared to keep checking bracts so I’m going back to old ways leaving them be lol

danjac82 said:

Also would like to note, I never had this issue until I started ordering seeds online and using feminized. Before, I honestly grew mostly seeds from brick weed I used to get. Surprising to find some gems in those seeds that were clone worthy. Ran into some hermies here and there but never big ovules. Never once. I rarely notice it at dispensaries. What strain is safe to grow? I’m done with ovules. I need to find a solid strain with the smallest ovules possible, no crackle

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Yeah, I noticed that to, I always buy fem online also, have been for 4yrs now.

danjac82 said:

These large ovules have been in my deep cheese, dinachem, Kali China, Pakistan Chitral Kush, Jack 47, blue widow, special queen. All of the strains I’ve grown last two years. It’s a curse. What strain doesn’t have large ovules at this point ? Something has happened to cannabis genetics in very recent years. Makes me wonder what is in common is all the crosses suddenly

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I agree, I noticed them in my sour diesel I grew last time, and they were huge

Yea

promedz said:

I’ve been growing for a while now, this last run was my first in a year so I was getting back into things but still had my strains I’ve grown for few years alive 3 of them..

This go round I put up my gorilla tent that has been shoved into a bag and didn’t do any light checks my mistake.. so anyway I noticed my plants started to herm around week 5 and I started to check the bracts out and noticed the little balls everywhere so
I’m already thinking it was going to be all seeds then I searched and learned about ovules!

Here is my problem with it all! Now I’ve never noticed these things before but never cut open the bract until this round! At the same time I can remember buying bud and braking it up to find tons of micro seeds or ovules that havnt shrivel up by the end of the run! But this wasn’t normal it sounds to me like how your explaining it! Messing with taste and having that crackle sound! My bud only had few seeds at the end but I did notice more than normal little brown spots! No crackle and not enough to ruin taste!

But not when he had them I didnt even want to smoke it! I broke it all up push bud to side and try to leave Them out! I was clearly thinking his plant hermied and he sprayed something to stop it and that was what explained the tiny seeds or ovules! But seeing them in my room I don’t spray! Only difference is the amount! There is some reason for them to swell up and not shrink! I can’t wait to finish this next run So I can brake up my bud and see no little brown ovules!but Maybe it’s the older the plant? How long you’ve been running yours? I’m scared to keep checking bracts so I’m going back to old ways leaving them be lol

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yes, you have the same issue with the large ovules that don’t shrivel up enough. I notice mine turn brown and do get a bit smaller eventually but they crackle and mess with the taste sometimes, especially first hit from a bowl. First got this issue with Special Queen. 5 plants. Some worse than others but all had way too much crackle. Recommend flower is 7-9 weeks. I took them 9-10 weeks to full maturity. One of them was basically all amber trich at day 70. Next run, 3 Dinachem were chopped around ten weeks at mostly cloudy, a bit of Amber. Could have went another half week or so on 2 of them. Lots of big ovules on two and not too terrible, but still unacceptable on one. Deep cheese was pretty bad at day 56 chop. Could have went another week or so. Kali China was taken to full maturity at 63-65 days. One pheno was a mild pain in the ass while the other 2 crackled until i wanted to smash my jar and toss it. Pck was horrible. I didn’t even smoke it. Now I’m running jack 47, deep cheese, blue widow and dinachem again.mits an ovule party once again. I couldn’t not help but try premie buds and it’s crackle city once again. This has killed my buzz for days. Did find a hermie amongst the jack and eliminated her but it’s too late. I’m now seeing what’s going to amount to probably atleast 100:seeds in 8 plants. It’s pretty bad. I was trying not to go crazy cutting up the bracts this time and not be so obsessive compulsive about it so I didn’t do my usual inspections for herms. Found a dozen or so open balls just drying up like it had been a while. Very disappointed to have to watch these fuckers finish. I just want to toss my clones into the room and be done with this current mess. I can deal with popping out seeds but it’s the damn ovules that are the real bitch.

shaggydog365 said:

I agree, I noticed them in my sour diesel I grew last time, and they were huge

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Was the sour d feminized?

The real shame is that the Kali China ( Kali mist x China yunnan) was an amazing plant, and I mean amazing. Very clear minded, feel good smoke. Interesting cerebral effects like getting high in high school back in the day. Nice front end sativa high for a true 9 week finished that grows stout almost like a hash plant. I’m still in love with the memories. The smell slayed everything in the room. The deep cheese and chemdawg were dank but the Kali China’s scent of mango, minty, creamy, incense and spices really was a treat. Seriously so many smells so complex. The smoke smelled very unique. The kind of weed you walk into a room and can pick out the strain that was smoked. Taste was very nice and mango spice if the ovules didn’t fuck it up. Serious bag appeal. I argue with myself all the time about running her again and praying to the cannabis gods to bless with me a no ovule miracle. Side note..started inspecting other buds from other people and noticed ovules in their weed as well. Just they were very very tiny. No crackle. Perhaps the fem seeds cause this or something in our method that is causing it. Tap water?

I don’t remember this ever being a problem years back. I’ve now decided I’m going with old school breeders and older strains that haven’t been fucked with. Regular seeds and not fems. I need two strains. Narrowed it down to Mr Nice Medicine Man ( original white Rhino), Mr Nice Mango Haze, Sensi Seeds jack flash and Sensi Seeds G13 hash plant. Hoping this solves the issue.

danjac82 said:

. Side note..started inspecting other buds from other people and noticed ovules in their weed as well. Just they were very very tiny. No crackle. Perhaps the fem seeds cause this or something in our method that is causing it. Tap water?

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that's what i was trying to say.. when they are very very tiny there is no crackle or taste and this is normal with the strains I've been growing for years, I've only learned about the ovules this last run and kinda obsessed with it as well but to my understanding.. i didn't noticed them ever because they shrink so small like they are supposed too, maybe its stress that is making them bigger? its not tap water because i use RO. i definitely had a light leak last go! trying to make sure everything goes smooth this rnd i'm in week 2 so i will keep you updated as they are the same 3 strains i had in last time! still not sure but came across it a few times and they stick out to me big time... since growing myself i became weary of other ppls buds so when i have to buy bud i'm super inspecting it.. lol and from time to time i would see them! has to be growers related that they aren't shrinking all the way

promedz said:

that's what i was trying to say.. when they are very very tiny there is no crackle or taste and this is normal with the strains I've been growing for years, I've only learned about the ovules this last run and kinda obsessed with it as well but to my understanding.. i didn't noticed them ever because they shrink so small like they are supposed too, maybe its stress that is making them bigger? its not tap water because i use RO. i definitely had a light leak last go! trying to make sure everything goes smooth this rnd i'm in week 2 so i will keep you updated as they are the same 3 strains i had in last time! still not sure but came across it a few times and they stick out to me big time... since growing myself i became weary of other ppls buds so when i have to buy bud i'm super inspecting it.. lol and from time to time i would see them! has to be growers related that they aren't shrinking all the way

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Yes..grower related is a definite possibility. Just racking my brain to figure how stress would lead to ovules not quite shrinking enough in otherwise healthy looking plants. I’m sure it’s possible. This is something I’ve thought on. In fact, my clones of the current big ovule strains are in a different medium and I’m using different fertilizer. Watering slightly different. Trying to switch it up as much as possible. Plants look good as usual. Going to run the clones all until mostly amber to see if they shrink more this time. I’ll be looking forward to hearing your outcome

danjac82 said:

Was the sour d feminized?

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Yeah, it was femanized , all seeds I get are. I think I'm gonna start getting regular

My Chemdawg 4 from clones did the same. It was my first grow so I know I made some noob mistakes, and they did get more heat than intended until I got that under control.

raratt said:

My Chemdawg 4 from clones did the same. It was my first grow so I know I made some noob mistakes, and they did get more heat than intended until I got that under control.

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It could be stress related but that leaves me scratching my head because my girls usually look pretty damn healthy. If I snip a budlet off and smoke it at just 3 weeks ( and I have to test for crackle) the ovules are enlarged and crackle. Same size every week after and usually shrinking just a bit toward the end. Stresss related ovule growth. ...has me questioning everything I’m using and doing. Wondering what we all have in common or if it’s the genetics. That chem cut could have been from a fem mom.

Trying to think of anything I’m doing different to cause this nowadays. I can say that I’ve went a little harder on the fox farms tiger bloom than usual. Not to the point of burning but typically I would just mix up a good organic dry fert into the soil and top up with it for flower feed. I’d only use the tiger bloom maybe every third watering at 1/4 strength. Lately have used less organic material in the soil mix and have been going more toward full strength on the fox farms. I’ve been using just Promix instead of Promix with Epsoma potting soil blended together. Started doing this maybe at the first grow I noticed all the crackling. Plants did seem a touch healthier the old way i did it but they’re still healthy now. They just had a but more reach for the sky in the leaves. Wouldn’t see how these changes would affect ovule size but hell who knows at this point. I want to believe it’s the fems because it makes me it all so much easier. Still going back and forth in my head between breeders/strains for some reg seeds. Every time I come close to making choices, I’ll read a bad review or will second guess it and have literally spent hours everyday browsing the Seedsman site. Lol. Needs to be a good selection of two strains..preferably a little more old school, stable and from more long running breeders. I toyed with the idea of Tga Subcool but I just am getting bad vibes. I can just picture ovules all over in the bud and a hermie for good measure. All bodhi shit is sold out that I want. I want to like serious and Sensi Seeds but have a feeling they have been left behind by the industry. Kinda looking for the diamond in the rough. No O.G Kush and no lemon tootsie fruitie double decker etc,,,, Not into the girly shit or the same shit everyone else has. I like the little known names with good genetics in them. I like a nice sativa dominant clear and up high with a shorter flowering time and structure. Shame that my beautiful Kali china fucked me with the ovules. I want to try orient express regulars from Ace but the China yunnan parent is the same as in Kali China and it may be responsible for the ovule issue. I’m wanting to find the diamond in lesser known Mandala or mr nice. Good prices and near good things..but then there’s the bad reviews

not sure many ppl even researched or no what we are talking about.. lol but you are way overthinking it!... every plant has them they are what looks for the pollen and in return make seeds!.. not sure but maybe being pollinated by some other type of plant? and its not enough to grow seed? i have no idea i would just like to no why they showed up all of a sudden or why i happen to cut open a bract because i noticed a hermie!.. other than that i wouldnt even no about what it is.. but i had to do my research! just nothing clear cut on to why they dont shrink all the way? ive never seen them in my bud but had a little this last run that hermied!.. but they didnt crackle or change taste they was still tiny but could see with the eye.. try not letting one go so long this time?

I may be overthinking but this is 6 strains over the course of two years. All with crackling ovules. Has to be something causing it. The buds will have big ovules whether it’s week 4,5,6,7,8,9....

danjac82 said:

I may be overthinking but this is 6 strains over the course of two years. All with crackling ovules. Has to be something causing it. The buds will have big ovules whether it’s week 4,5,6,7,8,9....

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so for two years you been having this problem or did it just start to happen? because if it did then maybe you are on to something?

promedz said:

so for two years you been having this problem or did it just start to happen? because if it did then maybe you are on to something?

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Yes..2 years now. 5 harvests. Strange is it started with my first seed order which was fems. All fems since. Was growing regular bag seed beans from old brick weed for years before that and never had the issue. A good amount of true hermies but never big ovules. Started happening when I started growing fems from seed bank and not sure, but my first fem grow is where I think I switched up my medium and fertilizing a bit

And I mean Mexican brick weed. Lol. Lots of sativa in those bag seed and surprisingly lots of indica faster though as well. I’d plant 20 seeds and pretty much get 20 different plants.flowering from 9 weeks to 15. Always got a few herms in a batch. Honestly can say I am happier with the results of those seeds than from fems online that are high end genetics. The ovules ruin it for me and take away from the moment of pride in smoking with others. The potency is greater but not too much more to make the ovules worth it. I’m going to run some regs and if I can’t figure it out, I’ll go right back to the shit brick seeds. There’s good plants in there if your run a bunch

I’ve got the herm I cut and dried. Very premature but I smoke it. I’ve collected up dozens of ovules, topped a bowl with them and light it. Lol. They give off a low crackle and dance around a bit when the flame hits them.

maybe the seed bank wasn't reliable? how do the buds look? any pics? also how come none of the so called masters can chime in on this subject>? i honestly think it shouldn't be happening to every fem plant at all!