Thoughts on MMPR, LPs (Tilray), prices and other musings
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bcbreeder
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Well if someone in their first post just happens to compliment tilray then you can be reasonably certain they are one of those marketting pros tilray hired to con patients
farmasensist
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I'd be pissed off but then i would get some new ones to replace what was taken from me even if i had to do it illegally. I can understand why you are all upset but it could be a lot worse. I still have. hard time comprehending the idea of walking into a store, giving someone money and receiving marijuana. You try that here and the police will come taze you to death.
CalyxCrusher
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That WOULD be nice. Except, you can't purchase from a store. It all has to be done online, sight or smell unseen. Take their word for it, it's good shit. Really........................
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SmokerJoeAB
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That was me and there is a small difference. The Government is not doing everything they can to shut down the coffee shop industry so they have time to recoup their investment. Due to the nature of the business, wildly venture at this stage, LP business plans need to demonstrate a return on investment within two to three years to attract money. Calculate the yield of each plant, the number of plants possible per square feet and you get your possible output now figure out the O&M costs. How much do you think you need to charge per gram so that your costs of goods sold is lower than your gross? Remember too that the government laid down a series of rules and regulations that are extremely expensive to honour, on purpose BTW. That gets you to EBITDA, now take out taxes, no break for farming in marijuana, take out amortization and depreciation and there is not much left. If there is anything it all goes back into growth. I would not be surprised if Tilray and the others are still eating deeply into the start up cash and not showing any kind of profit at this stage. Too soon. That's why the prices are set at the maximum the market can bear, they have no choice. Its not greed at this point, it's economics. Greed comes later when they are established and actually making money.
What we need is more choice, I agree, but like I keep saying the problem is political not market oriented.
CalyxCrusher
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Except that plant yield varies from strain to strain, from phenotype to phenotype within each strain. Then there's the difference in yield due to grow methods, lighting set ups, fertilizers, grower experience and knowledge, the list goes on and on. It's that kind of cookie cutter approach that has these very LP's in trouble.
SmokerJoeAB
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On that we absolutely agree. The difference is that I don't think anyone got into this just to "screw the stoners". I do believe some had good intentions and yes it did include making money. They just got into this without any real knowledge of the industry, my assumption, I may be wrong. Now some of them are in trouble which is why we get what seems like shitty customer service. I am not apologizing for them, believe me I wish prices were lower and we had more choices. I just think we should wait a bit before throwing our hands in the air and declaring the whole thing a failure. The market will settle and competition will force prices down
On the other hand, legalization would be cool too but I am not holding my breath.
SmokerJoeAB
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You are entirely correct, complaining is OK. No issue there. But as I said in my original post "I am not trying to take your right to complain away, I am just asking that you do it in a way that does not look like a bunch of spoiled teenagers who found a way to get an acupuncturist to get them in the program." Bringing up issues with supply, costs and availability or process for authorization is absolutely warranted. Complaining about THC concentration and the fact that "it does not get me as high as the weed I buy on the street" is just fuel for people who would rather see this go away completely.
On the other hand, if the LPs are in fact trying to censure justified criticism by using their de-facto monopoly then that is reprehensible and could be a nice cause for a court case. Having been on both sides of these types of issues though I am going to reserve judgement for now.
In the end, I just started this thread because I am happy with the fact that today, in Canada, I get to choose among several strains of weed and smoke a joint to ease my symptoms without the fear of punishment from anyone. That to me is progress. Should we stop there? Hell no, but we do need to be thankful for at least having that and shitting on the companies trying to help is not going to solve the issue. Maybe Emery has a point, if we all get together and vote in block we can make a difference this time.
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leaffan
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You are so full of it...
You might be able to fool some of the members here but I am not one of them.
Have a good evening Phil.
Well I would think that any smart business person would look at the facts before hand and realize that getting into an industry where you have zero experience and it will take 3 years to turn a profit only if you aren't put out of business by court cases, might be a bad investment. And as for the government's involvement, they should have allowed them a year to work out the kinks so that the sick don't have to be guinea pigs and get fleeced just so these corporations can recoup some of their start up funds and figure out how to grow a sustainable, high quality crop.
SmokerJoeAB
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Not sure who I am trying to fool and what benefit I could possibly get by posting any of this since its all pretty much anonymous but out of curiosity, who is Phil?
The Hippy
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Well you have a bit of a good point there. Maybe we are ungrateful for what we have and had. I concede that somewhat.
But we still have some valid complaints.
And ya where you live must really suck...sorry for ya. But maybe moving isn't an option. If it is....I fuckin would. Sounds like a real square place in your area......come to Canada and we'll blast some rips and smoke some fatties.
Take a holiday to Toronto,,,,it's a way cool city. Not much you can't do there...and I have too.....lol
Here's a typical Toronto activity.
or hire this guy to plan a party....
CannaReview
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Well we had a perfectly fine option. We had the option to grow and get weed practically free. So why the fuck would I settle for something else. There were so many licenses at one point (about 6-12 months ago) people were able to buy weed for $700 per LB in BC as it became pretty worth less to the underground market.
Another year under MMAR weed would have be worth nothing but the big our tax generation opportunity is going away kicked in so lets make it harder again to grow.
Why settle for second best at $25 per gram when you can just stop consuming Cannabis.