Thrips adult and juveniles and their damage

Pepe le skunk

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Thrips are tiny, slender insects with fringed wings. The babies don't have wings but as they mature some will develop wings but not all. Other common names for thrips include thunderflies, thunderbugs, storm flies, thunderblights, and corn lice. Thrips species feed on a large variety of sources, both plant and animal, by puncturing them and sucking up the contents. And the bad news is they can bite you and feed off of you. Ever get a little pin prick on your skin and be like what they hell just bit me? Could be Thrips.

Here are what leaves look like that have thrip damage. Image 1. 3442-MOSAIC.jpg

Browning dying leaves that begin to curl is a very good sign but especially the dying areas lacking green clorophyl is a dead givaway. They almost look like little spots or strips on the leaf surface. This is the juveniles sucking the juices out of the leaf and stems. They seem to like the center areas on the leaf where sap/ liquid pump through the leaf. Often, their signs of damage, (leaves infested with thrips will appear brown or a mottled silver and dried rather than wilted) are more evident than sight of the thrips themselves. Studies have shown that dry plants, or plants lacking sufficient moisture are most likely to suffer attack by thrips.

First Sign: Leaf surfaces finely speckled with yellow spots. Later, a silvery metallic looking sheen may cover leaf surfaces. Not all Thrips create this sheen.
Leaves darken on the edge.
Edges appear brown in color (necrosis).
Leaves have brown spots on them.
These will be most visible on the underside of the leaves.
Leaves have white spots on them.

Most Thrips move down into soil, rockwool or other synthetic growing media to pupate. This is the first stage at which to control Thrip populations, using Predator Nematodes. Often after two months, regular application of Nematodes alone gives good control. However, for heavy or persistent infestations, we recommend using Nematodes in conjunction with above-ground controls.

Thrips are generally tiny, really tiny as juveniles (1 mm long or less as adults) and are not good flyers. They are really tiny and it is very hard to see the babies. You can only see them under good magnification. Images 2-5. CIMG0101.jpgCIMG0093.jpgCIMG0092.jpgCIMG0091.jpg

This little bugger was not even a 1/16th millimeter in size and almost look like tiny mites but are white. Sometimes you can see very tiny white things flying around and if you do I recommend you treat for them with a spray and the soil immediatly.

The adults I have seen are brown in color. See the last 2 images for what the adults look like.


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Spray the leaves and drench the soil at least every 3 days for 5 treatments total if you want to get rid of them. A product that contains Spinosad will control and kill them. In addition, predatory nematodes control most thrip species and research is ongoing to develop airborne transmission methods for nematodes dispersal. Thrips have been shown to develop resistance to most insecticides used on a regular basis,yet least-toxic options like insecticidal soaps and horticultural oils can aid the gardener with thrip control but won't destroy them. So neem oil will only help control their populations. Soapy water sprays (such as Safers Soap) don't continue to kill off insects after the initial spraying.

If left unchecked they will destroy a crop and worse allow Powdery Mildew to infect the plants because the leaf area has become compromised.
Hope that helps.
 

Pepe le skunk

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Just wanted to update this thread. The thrips came back and so I am at war with them again. Just so you know the adults jump like fleas and are very small. The females also grow wings and can fly around. One last thing the adults appear black, but under a scope they are more brown and white. They were moving around (many) on the light colored floor so I could see them better and would jump like a flea when I tried to crush them with a finger.

I tried using nuke em to kill them but they kept coming back even after I mopped the floor with bleach and water. The captain Jack with spinosa seems to be what works best. I will be treating every few days to try and kill them off. Also used gnatural and nematodes as a soil drench to get the larva.
Hope that helps.
 

treegoesmoo

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Hey pepe, I saw Captain Jack's spray and noticed that monterey has more spinosad in it than captains. I believe it was .5% for monterey, and .0001% for captain jacks? Is more spinosad better? Want to make sure, before I buy lol. I've tried azamax, and this habenero pepper spray just for organics.. My autoflower is just under 40 days old. Buds are just starting to form now for the last four days. How safe is it to use either captain jacks or monterey at this stage??
 

Pepe le skunk

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I just got some Monterey but the Captain jacks had no adverse effect except more dead leaves but plants had no bad reaction to treatment. These bugs suck. I was away for 6 days and had hundreds when I returned even after treating at least 10 times with different things. I lit off the 5th bomb to kill the adults again. I will be doing a few soil drenchings to try again. Next is h202 and if that doesn't work they will be chucked.
 

Pepe le skunk

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Yes you are right on about the Monterey Garden Liquid. The treatment that has had the biggest impact has been the soil drench. I was spraying and lighting off bombs and using a rosemary oil mixture drench supposed to help with thrips but you are right on with Monterey. Will follow up with a few more drenches. They had taken off so bad that they were hatching into adults every 2 days.

lots of them. 2 days ago I did the drench and then more showed up but they were almost all gone today. Hit them with a spray of the Monterey today to follow up.
I think when they jump on the soil it gets on them and kills them better than just treating the leaves. Hopefully all this has stopped the cycle of hatchlings appearing.
 

Magnetar

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I mix up a gallon in a sprayer and spray right before the light turns off so they stay wet longer.
Completely soak tops and bottoms of the leaves and stems, letting it drip onto the soil.
Thrips do not lay eggs in the soil but it also kills the gnat eggs if there are any in there.
Spinosad turns back to harmless sugar after 16 hours of UV light and is completely safe for humans after that.
Wear goggles, a charcoal mask and gloves while spraying, spinosad is very toxic prior to UV light.
I got some in my eyes one time and it burns bad.
 

Pepe le skunk

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I hear you on the stuff in the eyes. I will say that the soil drench has been the most effective way to kill western flower thrips. I also sprayed the foilage but the soil drench has been the most effective way to kill these bugs.
 

Pepe le skunk

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Thrips are almost imposible to kill. Believe these are WFT (Western Flower thrip). Bombs, Spinosad, Nukum not able to control or eliminate. It will kill the adults but more hatch a few days later to start the cycle again. Have also found a round brown tiny slug like thing that might be an crawling stage or something.

Have up'd the ante to DEarth, Azatrol, Spinosad in 4 gallon spray'er, and bombs. They jump (hop), climb and fly back to the ground to climb and lay more eggs. Thrips must mature in the leaf and not the soil. Had a clone just sitting in water isolated from all others and they appeared in the water as adults.(up to 4 weeks later) No soil around to harbor pest so they are coming out of the leaves.(hatching)

They suck royal donkey wang. Suckle out the juices from the leaves as the mature into adults. Research has shown that spraying and soil soak necessary to control.
They did not say they could be eliminated only controlled. There are also preditor bugs as an option.
Almost might be worth starting over from scratch they suck that bad.


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So this site gives a good break down on thrips and using a systemic to kill these pests.
http://www.greenhousegrower.com/article/34616/control-of-thrips-with-systemic-insecticides
 

Nizza

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maybe look up a plant the thrips are more attracted to, and put more close by or find any they might be staying in and kill / get rid of them, Maybe look into predator species as well
 

Pepe le skunk

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So far two items that have worked the best have been Azamax and DE (diatomaceous earth). DE has had the greatest impact when added to the top of the container and watered in later. Also adding to the saucer the container sits in. Believe DE should be used to control soft bodied insects and will start adding it to the soil mix from the beginning. This has stopped them from crawling out of the soil. Also covering the floor with a small amount has helped. Spraying alone will not stop thrips from comming back. Spraying to kill adults is necessary along with the de. Reapplying DE is necessary for the best control. Turn off the fans and wear a mask when you apply the DE so you don't inhale any is very important.
Hope that helps.
 

Fuzzywuzz

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Yea those are defiantly not thrips.
thrips look like this

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traditionally on other crops they destroy flowers, mainly eating pollen and other parts of the flower. There wings are membranous. thrips are very very good at getting around, they are small enough to move around the seals in a window to get to the other side etc etc.

You can spray but they prefer to always hide so any contact pesticide will need to be heavily applied.

You can also release bio control to kill them such as oirius insidiosus or minute pirate bugs.
they are rather expensive but they are also a general predator and will go after other pests.
 

Pepe le skunk

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There are many types of thrips including the western flower thrip. However the second most effective treatment has been adding hot water to a 5 gallon bucket and soaking the leaves and stems in azatrol mixture at 125 to 115 degrees for one minute dip and then a total soil pot dunk for a minute in same liquid mixture after it was room temperature. It was the only effective treatment after 2 months of them hatching every 3 to 7 days even after treatment with everything under the sun. (spraying and soil soak not dunk) They are excellant survivors if you look close. DE was a big help in ruducing the numbers to a controllable level with out an outbreak. WFT suck and I would recommend full scale attack if you ever want to get rid of them forever. Just what my experience has shown.
Hope that helps.

WFT
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Adult flyer female
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Adult after the second pupate stage before adult flyer. They hop like a flea on the ground when you try and crush with a finger. There is a smaller stage of these that are the first pupate stage.
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chewberto

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What about the eggs? I hate these fuckers... I have yet to see them on a plant, but had them on the garage floor, wonder if they never found the plants? Probably just can't see them... I got montery insect spray, but haven't used it yet... Any egg pics?
 

Pepe le skunk

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Chewy they crawl up the stems and lay eggs inside the leaves after they chew into the soft membrane of the leaves. So egg pictures are impossible without a microscope and disecting the leaves imo. I will say not all plants survive the hot dip of the leaves and soil pot submersing but it really kicks thrips asses. Only 99% effective treatment with results I have seen. If the plants are not elite strains trash them and start over. Not worth the time and battle.

I had these buggers hiding under VCT flooring and gaps in the floor to avoid bombs and spraying. I used a super pest killer in those hiding places to get them out of the room. They are so expert at avoiding death it becomes very frustrating quickly when everything you try doesn't kill them. It got to the point that I wanted to set them on fire just so I killed them. lol no joke but read on IC mag one important solution. Dunk the entire pot, not just a soil drench. They will hid in places the poison misses otherwise and then 2-5 days later the next batch hatches and the outbreak occurs again.

I am guessing Chewy they have come back in the 100's? Pretty soon it will be in the thousands without action.

All I can say is if these get into a large commercial desperency it will cause huge losses. May weight on flowers was cut in half because of these demon spawn from hell.
Killed almost everything in veg. Wonder if these bugs were made to destroy cannabis by the Pharm companies because they are hard to beat according to everything I've researched. They say they can only be controlled not eliminated from greenhouses. Cold and freezing is the only way I think from what I've read.
 

joe macclennan

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thrips are really a pretty easy pest to eradicate. Use spinosad, get the concentrate and mix it a bit strong.

Also what you have left out is that they thrive in low humidity. Increase humidity to 60+ along with air movement along with weekly sprayings of the spinosad and problem solved.

There is a university study that I read somewhere that claimed humidity alone was effective at killing off a thrip infestation when @ 90% RH.

pretty hard to achieve this high of humidity without ruining flowers if deep into flower but during veg. and early flower it is certainly possible to go this high briefly followed by a bit lower rh of say 60-70% for the next week.

thrips are nothing compared to root aphids.
 

Fuzzywuzz

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There are many types of thrips including the western flower thrip. However the second most effective treatment has been adding hot water to a 5 gallon bucket and soaking the leaves and stems in azatrol mixture at 125 to 115 degrees for one minute dip and then a total soil pot dunk for a minute in same liquid mixture after it was room temperature. It was the only effective treatment after 2 months of them hatching every 3 to 7 days even after treatment with everything under the sun. (spraying and soil soak not dunk) They are excellant survivors if you look close. DE was a big help in ruducing the numbers to a controllable level with out an outbreak. WFT suck and I would recommend full scale attack if you ever want to get rid of them forever. Just what my experience has shown.
Hope that helps.

WFT
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Adult flyer female
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Adult after the second pupate stage before adult flyer. They hop like a flea on the ground when you try and crush with a finger. There is a smaller stage of these that are the first pupate stage.
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Mind posting the source of those pictures? if there not yours.
The second picture of the adult female looks more like a heteroptera hemipteran than a thysenopteran
Thrips have rasping sucking mouthparts not a long proboscis like the one in your picture
& i dont see an ovipositor. It could be a species of thrips im un aware of but its not WFT like the first picture you posted.
 

Pepe le skunk

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Bumped for you greeny.

Fuzzy,
Picture 2 and 3 are my pictures. Under 10X magnification. The second picture is a flier (old adult) picture 3 is the second pupate stage after egg laying. Picture 1 was available in google images and from sites specifically stating what a bitch thrips are to kill. Look it up really research it. The experts say they are almost impossible to eliminate and can only be controlled. I used so much spinosad, pyrth bombs, DI earth and sprays nothing should have lived over 4 months of treatment.

Only thing to finally finish them was 125 degree dunks in azatrol for the leaves stems and branches and temperate dips of the soil and containers in a 5 gallon bucket of azatrol. That was the last thing before everything would have been trashed. Wish I would have just used azatrol or azamax in the beginning. Would have saved me a couple hundred. Only negative is azatrol at 2oz a gallon will kill many leaves. Recommend a soil flush 1 week after soil drench.
Hope that helps.
 

ironturkey

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I use a 1 gal sprayer with a mix of DE(figure out how much to use- i throw in three or four handfuls but it depends on your sprayer quality, cheaper ones clog), Azamax (use as directed) and a couple drops of dish soap. Mix it good and spray the bottoms and tops of the leaves. After the leaves dry, there's a deep coating of DE left for the bastards to crawl on (whatever's left.) Do this every other day until there is no sign, then keep doing it for another week. Every other day the thrip larvae will hatch out from the leaves until there's no more eggs left. This method breaks the cycle right in the middle, no more thrips if they are killed just after hatching. Eventually there will be no more. It's similar to the Terminator movie plot line- going back in time to kill John Connor's mom so he can't start trouble later. Keep your area clean, clean, clean. There is hope, you just have to stick to it and fight it out.

BTW- no matter what insect you think you may have. Make sure you positively identify it before you start to treat the problem. Different strokes for different pests.
 
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