Tiny little worm looking things underneath leaves

MM422

Active Member
Hey guys,, all my new growth looks great but have some lower leaves that have weird spots , so I looked at them with an eye piece and found these little tiny looking worms moving around , mostly on the underneath of bottom fan leaves, they almost look clear/white in color and they are definitely doing damage to the leaves that they're on. Closest thing I found to resemble them are leaf miners. Has anyone had this before?
 
Huge similarity in bugs. if your not confident about my opinion,its valid. If your not flowering just start bug treatment like neem oil or something viable someone else suggests. If you are flowering your options should be more selective as to be less harmful. Hopefully your vegging and preemptive measure will be easy that way. good luck man.

good vibes at you

-Joe
 

tstick

Well-Known Member
In my opinion, I wouldn't spray it during flower. The directions say it's safe, but I think they mean it's safe to use that way on tomatoes or other stuff that gets eaten. But I am unsure what the ramifications of smoking something that gets sprayed with it might be, so I always specify to avoid spraying any chemicals when the plants are flowering.
 

MM422

Active Member
Thank you all so much for your responses. I am still in veg, about a month in. We did spray just the leaves infected and a little in the soil, not alot though. We used very light dose of neem oil with a drop of dawn soap. I not a newbie, so it's definitely not aphids or mites, but I've never had these before or at least I've never noticed them before. Sorry I don't have picts, but they are so little that my camera probably wouldn't see them anyway
 

lime73

Weed Modifier
Can you get a clear pic of damage they are doing to leaf? Thrips will eat the leaves leaving which looks like little faded spots in leaves. Also is there black spots under leaf? Try to take a few close ups of tops of leaf and underside of effected leaves...just make sure pics are in focus.
 

Kingrow1

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Thrips cant climb plants till they have legs and live in the soil as larvae.

They may be thrips but im a real expert on them and so far im not convinced....
 

tstick

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Lol...and so is anyone else who has had to deal with them. You become an instant expert after you eradicate them successfully.


 

Kingrow1

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Lol...and so is anyone else who has had to deal with them. You become an instant expert after you eradicate them successfully.


So you know they will be lured out of hiding by the Co2 in your breat, you know how to hunt them, their feeding cycle of living in the soil and climbing the stem every night and day, where they hide on plants etc etc...

Not just someone who has erradicated them, ive gone a lot futher than that and if you have thrips you wont see them normally just the damage as they are masters of disguise.

Ive written a lot of threads on them and moth larvae dont run jump and hide meaning there is a lot of differences between the two species for identification.

Dont get all arsey because i dont necessarialy agree with you, at the moment there is little indication of what the bug is but white worms do not describe thrips, cunning ninja hiding jumping clever mofos does!
 

Kingrow1

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Lol...and so is anyone else who has had to deal with them. You become an instant expert after you eradicate them successfully.


That aint a tiny little white worm you can see moving about, not by a freaking long shot!
 

tstick

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Calm down. People who aren't familiar with bugs often don't describe them properly. Maybe they looked like little white worms to him? No one can do anything but make guesses until HE posts some pictures of what he's talking about. Based on the fact that he says they're not mites...they are making "weird spots" on the leaves..."clear/white" in color.....doing damage. I mean, what do YOU propose they might be if not thrips? Thrips is the best guess at this point, in my opinion.
 
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So you know they will be lured out of hiding by the Co2 in your breat, you know how to hunt them, their feeding cycle of living in the soil and climbing the stem every night and day, where they hide on plants etc etc...

Not just someone who has erradicated them, ive gone a lot futher than that and if you have thrips you wont see them normally just the damage as they are masters of disguise.

Ive written a lot of threads on them and moth larvae dont run jump and hide meaning there is a lot of differences between the two species for identification.

Dont get all arsey because i dont necessarialy agree with you, at the moment there is little indication of what the bug is but white worms do not describe thrips, cunning ninja hiding jumping clever mofos does!
im still stuck on moth larvae... never heard of moth larvae eating cannabis. any further info on this king? did a little google search but came up short.
 

Kingrow1

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Calm down. People who aren't familiar with bugs often don't describe them properly. Maybe they looked like little white worms to him? No one can do anything but make guesses until HE posts some pictures of what he's talking about. Based on the fact that he says they're not mites...they are making "weird spots" on the leaves..."clear/white" in color.....doing damage. I mean, what do YOU propose they might be if not thrips? Thrips is the best guess at this point, in my opinion.
Moth larvae or similar stay on the plant at birh whereas thrips drop to the soil and spend their larvae stage there. You wont see thrips until the increase in numbers, centuries have seen them develop into masters off hiding, disturb one and it will hide straight away, try and squash it and it will jump down to the soil.

Just the fact you can easily see them makes me think its not thrips. Thrips are highly evolved, moth larvae arent such.

Some random old forum members years ago showed me how to bring a thrip out of hiding by gently breathing on a leaf, Co2 makes them inquisitive and thats if they arent hiding in the soil where they generally spend their down time.

Just treating a plant dosent always rid you off thrips, preadator mites and wasps are required to seek out the stubborn ones.

There is a lot to thrips whereas moths and such bugs follow a much simpler pattern with their young. Eventually the thrips take to the air, a futher identification and at the point they start egg laying again.

The favourite place for a thrip to lay its eggs is on a lower leaf directly above moist soil, that way the young drop straight into the soil for two instella phases before growing legs and climbing their food source.

Indoors thrips will pull down a six foot plant if populations permit, outdoors its not so severe, scratching the leaf surface to feed really hurts the leaf and vectors disease.

Thrips suck which is why i know so much about them and any indication leads me to hunt them for a more positive identification. With low numbers i can erradicate and hunt them to extinction with just my two fingers, any more and its time to bring in the big guns.

Far too much experience with these fuckers and one of the few pests that actually need dealing with in the Uk. Our mites and other bugs dont seem too interested in cannabis.

Did i also mention that i know a lot about springtails, harmless but one of the few other common bugs that come with growing weed. Moth larvae i see nearer the end of summer, this year i had a few batches infest my plants but easy to find and kill manually, moths in or near my tent is usually a sign to start checking for batches of eggs...
 

Kingrow1

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im still stuck on moth larvae... never heard of moth larvae eating cannabis. any further info on this king? did a little google search but came up short.

Leaf miners and tiny catapilla type larvae but ive never had much problems as they disperse easily and once one hatches they all generally do, more a time of year thing for me :-)
 

tstick

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Well, I guess we are debating over phantoms until the OP tells/shows us more.

The first time I experienced thrips indoors was also the last time. I didn't know what was making the "weird" marks on my leaves. I, too, looked under the leaves...or at least thought I did. But upon subsequent inspections, I saw one moving and that was when I took action. I cut a leaf, put it under the microscope and started looking up information on pests of cannabis. It took all of 5 minutes to deduce what the weird spots were coming from and what the bug was...thrips.

I caught one and placed it in a droplet of pure isopropyl alcohol...thought it would die right away...nope...it swam in there for over 5 minutes before it finally stopped moving. The little bastards have the tenacity of roaches and they resist death better than many other bugs their size.

They very well might appear as worms to the casual inspector. Their legs are very thin and transparent and they are crawling amongst the "hairy" terrain of a cannabis leaf that can obscure their legs further -even when looking at them with a loupe.

Spinosad is the stuff that kills them -(the main ingredient in Captain Jack's Dead Bug) Apply it every couple of days is what kills them on the spot. Just sprayed the plants until they were drenched and dripping wet with it and then let them dry. I also advise to get a duster and (with a dust mask on) lightly dust the remaining leaves and stems of the plant with food grade diatomaceous earth....wouldn't hurt to dust the top of the soil, too. Those two things worked for me. And wipe down the entire area with a rag soaked in diluted bleach....just to be sure the area is as clean and sterile as you can make it.

If thrips are about, then make certain that you change shoes/clothes before entering your indoor grow space. Don't allow animals in the grow space, Don't bring in other plants until they have been "cleared". etc.....In other words, try to eliminate ANY and all vectors for pests/pathogens to enter.
 
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