squirrelfooker
Active Member
I'm in northern california and have a doctors reccomendation.
Is the county issued ID card worth getting?
Is the county issued ID card worth getting?
To Get County ID Card Or Not?
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KushKing949
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it is worth to get it so if u ever get pulled over by the popo and u have nug andur county id card they popo can identify that u are a legitimate mmj patient in ca
squirrelfooker
Active Member
If you are talking about the actual county issued ID cards, it will be from a government office in the county you are in. Usually part of the county health department.
Any other opinions on whether or not to get one? Anyone worried about being on the governments list?
lemmis
Well-Known Member
all you need is physicians exemption in CA. this is a written statement from your doctor that you qualify for mmj. you legally don't have to have the card. in mendocino for example(researching because i'm moving there), you would obtain doctors exemption, and to get card i believe you must apply at the sherrifs office, no thanx
remember all you legally need is doctors exemption!!
remember all you legally need is doctors exemption!!
SmokeMedprop215
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are you posotive, it looks to me that this county wide id card shit is another way for your local authoritys to know where to look
lemmis
Well-Known Member
yeah, positive about physicians exemption. question of this post though is to have or not to have card. if you apply at sherrifs office for card, then they will know that you could be growing. i'm just not sure yet if it's better to have card as it might be better recognized by police than a piece of paper from your doctor. don't forget, federal law still prohibits the growing or possessing of mj in any state. also, each county(CA) has different limits as to how much you can grow and dry amounts you can possess.
SmokeMedprop215
Well-Known Member
yeah your wondering the same thing that I am but I suppose thaht just with a doc rec that you should be able to get out of a ticket un less your carrying more than your allowed
squirrelfooker
Active Member
The california state ID card (issued by each county) i think is required to get the protection of SB420. SB420 says you can not be arrested if you meet the cultivation and posession guidelines, unless LEO thinks your card is fake.
Sounds good, but it also means you are registered and the state knows. Seems like it might keep you out of court though. It's supposed to be something easy for a LEO to recognize.
I can't figure out how many people actually get the cards though.
Sounds good, but it also means you are registered and the state knows. Seems like it might keep you out of court though. It's supposed to be something easy for a LEO to recognize.
I can't figure out how many people actually get the cards though.
TreeSmoker.com
Active Member
YES! Get the County ID Card!
Do you complain about legalization? Are you upset that the government refuses to tax a plant that they could potentially make money from? Then why would you avoid paying a form of tax to a California County Health Department?!? After all, the money DOES go to fund the medical marijuana program...
And again, why not abide by the taxation efforts and make the State of California happy? They ARE turning their heads in many, many cases in regards to marijuana cases. Many would agree that California has the most relaxed marijuana policies in the US. With that being said, I am more than happy to give my cash to the very program that protects me from jail.
Your concern will likely be; "I don't feel good about being on the "government's list."
Receiving a medical marijuana recommendation and registering for an ID card are not illegal in any way. Furthermore, the DEA has not ever been known to target and/or arrest citizens who have access to medical marijuana. The DEA does target specific dispensaries and co-ops, but rarely makes any arrests. Many raids simply result in all product and cash being seized and no charges end up being filed. Legal robbery.
Every dispensary you go in to will ask you to sign a release, designating that dispensary as your caregiver. That dispensary keeps your information on file. Those files are subject to be confiscated by the DEA if they were ever a raid to take place. At which time the DEA will know that you've done business and use that evidence against you to prove that you purchased.
Also, there has been a state-wide crackdown on some of the "less than legitimate" doctors around town. Is your doctor on this list? If your doctor were to come under investigation by the DEA, would your information be safe?
And remember, all these DEA raids are and always have been authorized and ordered by our FORMER President George Bush. NOT current President Barack Obama! In fact, Mr. Obama has pledged to end the raids in state's that currently allow medical marijuana.
Do you need to fear being on a list now that Mr. Obama is President? That depends on you. If you fear the County ID card program though, you also need to fear the dispensaries and the clinic where you received your recommendation. In my opinion, the person who avoids paying for the ID Card is the same person who will never go into a dispensary. It would be senseless to worry about one and not the other from a legal standpoint.
Do you complain about legalization? Are you upset that the government refuses to tax a plant that they could potentially make money from? Then why would you avoid paying a form of tax to a California County Health Department?!? After all, the money DOES go to fund the medical marijuana program...
And again, why not abide by the taxation efforts and make the State of California happy? They ARE turning their heads in many, many cases in regards to marijuana cases. Many would agree that California has the most relaxed marijuana policies in the US. With that being said, I am more than happy to give my cash to the very program that protects me from jail.
Your concern will likely be; "I don't feel good about being on the "government's list."
Receiving a medical marijuana recommendation and registering for an ID card are not illegal in any way. Furthermore, the DEA has not ever been known to target and/or arrest citizens who have access to medical marijuana. The DEA does target specific dispensaries and co-ops, but rarely makes any arrests. Many raids simply result in all product and cash being seized and no charges end up being filed. Legal robbery.
Every dispensary you go in to will ask you to sign a release, designating that dispensary as your caregiver. That dispensary keeps your information on file. Those files are subject to be confiscated by the DEA if they were ever a raid to take place. At which time the DEA will know that you've done business and use that evidence against you to prove that you purchased.
Also, there has been a state-wide crackdown on some of the "less than legitimate" doctors around town. Is your doctor on this list? If your doctor were to come under investigation by the DEA, would your information be safe?
And remember, all these DEA raids are and always have been authorized and ordered by our FORMER President George Bush. NOT current President Barack Obama! In fact, Mr. Obama has pledged to end the raids in state's that currently allow medical marijuana.
Do you need to fear being on a list now that Mr. Obama is President? That depends on you. If you fear the County ID card program though, you also need to fear the dispensaries and the clinic where you received your recommendation. In my opinion, the person who avoids paying for the ID Card is the same person who will never go into a dispensary. It would be senseless to worry about one and not the other from a legal standpoint.
kill9
Active Member
Your arguments are valid, but if you apply for the state card in a county that does not want medical marijuana, then it makes one uncomfortable to apply.
You have to go to your county health department and show them all of your information.
Some counties and towns are really small and most people do not trust their local gov with ANY information. I know I don't.
Pigs in California have no regard for the law and only till you meet an Officer of the Court will you be let free, when it concerns medical marijuana. I don't want a fuckin "OOPS" and meanwhile cops have fingerprinted me and know all about me.
You only need a doctor's recommendation to enter clubs. Before they were anal about requiring state IDs or the Oakland Cannabis Card but most will now accept just the recommendation paper. I personally have a recommendation from Medicann, which gives me a card as well, that pigs, if they stop me, can call and confirm that I am legal.
Medicann operates their own database, which I feel more comfortable with. It is 24 hours and follows all guidelines required by prop 215.
TreeSmoker.com
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First of all, I think that we can all agree that MediCann is awesome. Their personal database and verification system is great, and ideally all clinics and physicians should begin to follow in the footsteps of MediCann.
Secondly, whilst many Counties have gone and banned medical marijuana dispensaries all together, the majority of the Counties will not have you thrown in jail for medical marijuana. Furthermore, even if the marijuana isn't for medicinal purposes, odds are that your receiving the $100 fine and losing your weed. Not to mention that the vast majority of major cities have enacted "Lowest Law Enforcement Priority" ordinances for marijuana offenses. I'm not sure if you happen to live in a really anti-marijuana section of CA, but our experiences tend to paint a different picture.
As well all know though, there are some cities and some officers who are against medical marijuana, despite the laws. Although we've experienced these types of cops and cities, at worst we usually end up with a civil citation and having the medicine confiscated. Not that I'm saying that is acceptable by any means.. Rather that these types of situations may occur regardless of whether you choose to register for a County ID Card or not... You'll encounter the same bullshit with the recommendation alone, when it comes time for the officer to verify your legitmacy.
When you receive a (potentially controversial) doctor's recommendation, you assume the responsibility that comes along with it. Part of that responsibility is dealing with the chance that the "pigs" might choose to fuck with you regardless.
In Orange County, we have a legal medicinal grow operation, inside of a large Condo. The Condo has central air conditioning and the venting is horrible! Needless to say, neighbors complained to the local police department of the smell. They responded to the call, and we politely explained that we're operating legally under CA-HSC 11362.5 and S.B 420. We showed our recommendations and caregiver paperwork, at which time the County ID Card's WERE REQUESTED. Did we have them? You bet!
The officers took down our information and told us that they made the local PD aware of the situation, and that we would never be bothered again about this incident.
Of course, theres always 2 sides to every coin. So it depends on how you want to look at it.. From our point of view, the Police seem to be more cooperative and accepting when they know that we've abided by the law and paid our taxes.
Let's face it. Isn't the war on marijuana prohibition about the government making money anyways?!? If I can choose to pay the tax and show a good faith effort that I really am trying to abide by the law, I think that counts for a lot.
Secondly, whilst many Counties have gone and banned medical marijuana dispensaries all together, the majority of the Counties will not have you thrown in jail for medical marijuana. Furthermore, even if the marijuana isn't for medicinal purposes, odds are that your receiving the $100 fine and losing your weed. Not to mention that the vast majority of major cities have enacted "Lowest Law Enforcement Priority" ordinances for marijuana offenses. I'm not sure if you happen to live in a really anti-marijuana section of CA, but our experiences tend to paint a different picture.
As well all know though, there are some cities and some officers who are against medical marijuana, despite the laws. Although we've experienced these types of cops and cities, at worst we usually end up with a civil citation and having the medicine confiscated. Not that I'm saying that is acceptable by any means.. Rather that these types of situations may occur regardless of whether you choose to register for a County ID Card or not... You'll encounter the same bullshit with the recommendation alone, when it comes time for the officer to verify your legitmacy.
When you receive a (potentially controversial) doctor's recommendation, you assume the responsibility that comes along with it. Part of that responsibility is dealing with the chance that the "pigs" might choose to fuck with you regardless.
In Orange County, we have a legal medicinal grow operation, inside of a large Condo. The Condo has central air conditioning and the venting is horrible! Needless to say, neighbors complained to the local police department of the smell. They responded to the call, and we politely explained that we're operating legally under CA-HSC 11362.5 and S.B 420. We showed our recommendations and caregiver paperwork, at which time the County ID Card's WERE REQUESTED. Did we have them? You bet!
The officers took down our information and told us that they made the local PD aware of the situation, and that we would never be bothered again about this incident.
Of course, theres always 2 sides to every coin. So it depends on how you want to look at it.. From our point of view, the Police seem to be more cooperative and accepting when they know that we've abided by the law and paid our taxes.
Let's face it. Isn't the war on marijuana prohibition about the government making money anyways?!? If I can choose to pay the tax and show a good faith effort that I really am trying to abide by the law, I think that counts for a lot.
nickfury510
Well-Known Member
get the card..it makes everything so much easier...why go as far as getting the recomendation only to drop the ball in the endzone?
kill9
Active Member
All this for a county card where the police knows you, just so you can get in quicker with the dispensaries? No thanks. It's just not worth the drama to "cooperate with the cops".
I'm a patient with a doctor standing behind me. Do people taking other medicines notify the government?
No. I'm sorry, but I'm just not going to involve the government on my personal information, it's called the doctor-patients privilege.
Honestly, I think people who get the STATE card are the typical lazy stupid stoners who'd tell their information to cops for convenience. For what? So you dont have to wait to get in a dispensary?
THAT'S CALLED A FIEND.
nickfury510
Well-Known Member
wow......
talk about ignorance at its finest. the little piece of paper you have from the doctor is nothing more than a recomendation and nothing more...a cop will wipe his ass with that paper while you are siting in holding for however long he wants to hold you while he "verifies" your recomendation with your doctor. good luck with that. and brother I own my own bussiness, have multiple investments into other ventures and i hold down a great marriage with an awesome active social life...very far from a lazy stupid stoner...
TreeSmoker.com
Active Member
What the F are you talking about sir? I'm not even entirely sure that you read ANY of my post...
Never, not even once, did I suggest that you get a County ID to allow you to "get into dispensaries faster." It has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of time that it takes to get in..
It has to do with you paying a fee to the government for the County ID card, as the law recommends that you should. Nobody is forcing you to register and abide by the recommended rules. Rather, I am suggesting that by choosing to register for a County ID Card is not going to result in the police knocking on your door.
Are you growing 20+ lbs. of medicine every year for distribution? Are you so high up in the game that you're considering Swiss bank accounts? If not, the odds are that your being a bit paranoid. As the average medical cannabis patient, your very likely not going to be arrested and prosecuted because you chose to register with your county.
Maybe you grow 200 plants and you happen to blow someones dome off with a shotgun? Ok, now you might have some legal issues. Yet, again this is a result of your trigger-happiness and not because you registered with the county. I have NEVER heard of, or personally seen any case where a medical marijuana patient was targeted by the government. Even in DEA raids on dispensaries, the medicine and cash are confiscated and no charges are filled.
I'm not sure if you've maybe heard something that I haven't..
Why not cooperate with the police when they do respect the law? Did you read my Orange County example?
I'm gonna come right out and say how ironic it is for you to suggest that "lazy stoners" are the ones who go register. If the guy that pays the tax and gets the card is lazy, what is the guy who sits on his ass being a cheapskate and won't go fill out a simple form at the health department?
Come on now... Let's be sensible about this. It has nothing to do with a dispensary at all. It has to do with you deciding to pay the tax or not pay the tax.
If your broke and can't afford it, thats a valid reason.
If your a cheapskate and you'd rather spend your cash on meds, that's even a semi-valid reason.
But not registering for the ID Card and avoiding the tax because your afraid of being arrested by the DEA?? Thats just plain silly!
GrowGreenGreen
Well-Known Member
Here here, Treesmoker!
Think about it. If you get pulled over for a lazy lane change, and you have your state-issued photo ID stating that the ounce of ganja in the cup holder is all good, and LEO just writes you a ticket and says drive safely, won't you be happy that you dropped $153 on the card?
If you just have your little see-what-I-got-officer paper, it's up to him to decide if he's heard anything about this Prop 215 BS. If not, you're in possession my friend! Maybe he'll even trump up some intent to distribute charge, too... and off to the lock-up you go! But! But! But!
Sure you may only spend an hour in jail while they sort it out, but you could get unlucky on a Friday night, in which case you may be there until Monday!
The SB420 card is a hassle-avoidance device. And HEY! If you want, you can think of it as a "Fuck you, Pig!" card. (I noticed someone using that term with fervor, though it's not my style.)
Peace, officer.
Think about it. If you get pulled over for a lazy lane change, and you have your state-issued photo ID stating that the ounce of ganja in the cup holder is all good, and LEO just writes you a ticket and says drive safely, won't you be happy that you dropped $153 on the card?
If you just have your little see-what-I-got-officer paper, it's up to him to decide if he's heard anything about this Prop 215 BS. If not, you're in possession my friend! Maybe he'll even trump up some intent to distribute charge, too... and off to the lock-up you go! But! But! But!
Sure you may only spend an hour in jail while they sort it out, but you could get unlucky on a Friday night, in which case you may be there until Monday!
The SB420 card is a hassle-avoidance device. And HEY! If you want, you can think of it as a "Fuck you, Pig!" card. (I noticed someone using that term with fervor, though it's not my style.)
Peace, officer.
kill9
Active Member
Are you kidding me? A State card won't get a knock on your door? That's no guarantee.
Of course I will never grow insane amounts. I value my freedom too.
Hell, I've only started growing recently and only do it for myself. If I ever get excess, and I doubt I will(I'll smoke it all heheh) I would seriously donate the entire thing to orgs like WAMM.
I know my limits and believe that the guidelines they offer is plenty for any patient.
We're not in the movies calm down.....
Im not worried about the DEA going after me, I know they won't waste their fuckin time.
Oinkers don't respect the law......don't kid yourself. For every good cop there's 3 million evil ones.
I'm not gonna sit here and get into a pissing contest about money or try to claim to be Bill Gates, but the fee over the state card is not much.
The tax to take or grow medicine? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
I'm a patriot and I believe the government has no issue in my medical records. I don't give a flyin fuck if they passed a law suggesting everyone register. Fuck them and their "fees" over medicine.
Get serious. I am not saying "all cards are evil".
Medicann is the perfect solution, they give you a card that a pig can verify at any time. Hell, medicann itself carries a close relationship with law enforcement.
You guys are on some other shit, people claim that cops don't care about cards, now we got a dude saying he'll wipe his ass with the doctor's recomendation paper?
Are you serious? Please tell me the strain you're smoking, that's some powerful shit.
highagain420
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tnmotown......where in cen cal do you live im in the 559 if close to fresno the Medicann number is 866-632-6627 they will set you up with an appointment take 145 $$$$ medical records, state id and you will be out in like 5 mins.