To those bitching about attitude!!!

GrassCity Sucks

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JCashman said:
as far as attitude, all businesses have troubles as long as they do what they can to right the wrongs, they will continue to get my business. every order ive made ive received, and i've waiting on two more as i type this ;)
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Well, it's all the complaints I've read about of attitude NOT honouring refunds etc that makes me wonder why people get so defensive about this seedbank.

Sea of Seeds, also, has a policy that if you order stealth packaging, they cannot refund ANY seeds under ANY circumstances: Once they've taken them out of the breeders packs, they say they can't send em back.

So maybe, the answer is simply to leave them IN THE PACKS, THEN stleath back THEN stuff em in a slightly larger crushproof container or something.

Iunno. Seems like all the major seed-banks have similar return policies, and they';re ALL aimed at disarming the overseas consumer. Which is wrong, I think.
 
JCashman

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GrassCity Sucks said:
Well, it's all the complaints I've read about of attitude NOT honouring refunds etc that makes me wonder why people get so defensive about this seedbank.
Sea of Seeds, also, has a policy that if you order stealth packaging, they cannot refund ANY seeds under ANY circumstances: Once they've taken them out of the breeders packs, they say they can't send em back.
So maybe, the answer is simply to leave them IN THE PACKS, THEN stleath back THEN stuff em in a slightly larger crushproof container or something.
Iunno. Seems like all the major seed-banks have similar return policies, and they';re ALL aimed at disarming the overseas consumer. Which is wrong, I think.
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i hear you, but most people are dumb too. and i feel you're not accounting for that.

if people email attitude and mention anything about growing or trying to grow or germ plants or seeds, then Attitude is not going to help that guy because that guy is an idiot and violated the one rule they really have. if customs gets it, take a pic of the letter and email them saying that for some reason your guaranteed souvenirs did not arrive and attach the pic. unlike sea of seeds, attitude doesnt take away breeder backs in any stealth shipping ive used. i've never received the wrong stuff, but if i did i assure u my email you use words like 'souvenirs' ;)

sure, id say some people were legitimately screwed, because its just a numbers game, eventually you're going to screw up. but the same could be said for any company then. but theres people on these forums that order every two weeks and never have a problem ;)
 
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GrassCity Sucks said:
I've never heard of anyone trying to claim a refund on an already successfully germinated seed, that's the most stupid thing I've heard in - well - a week! :)

People SHOULN'T get the wrong seeds, the SHOULDN'T get Regulars when they've paid for Femmed, and they certainly shouldn't get unviable seeds, from ANY business that charges an average of 10+% for each and every seed they sell. I won't even start on the credit-card scamming, it wasn't happened in a while, apparently.

Anyway, it's hot, and I'm too tired to, um, argue, about attitudes, um, poor professional ethics, um, but most of the complaints we read about are from people who don't, um, get any seeds at all, or the get duds. Why would anyone complain about a seed actually germinating like it should? .. Few months down the track you find out it's not a WW but a g13? Only a complete idiot would try send back a grown plant :)

But they shouldn't NEED to: That's my point: Attitude KNOW we can't do fuck-all if our seeds aren't right, so even after they've gone through customs and made it to your house, out of $150 seeds, if only 4 germinate and they're all males, you're meant to what? Sorry? MAIL the entire package BACK to attitide so they will honour their 'policy'.

To state it's legal loopholes that prevent them from being imprisoned is absurd. I'm talking about $150 orders with only 10% viable seeds, and attitudes 'send em back, or fuck off - fool" - pardon the pun - "Attitude" towards it's customers.

It's got NOTHING AT ALL to do with legal anything: It's their store policy: "If they don't work, and you live anywhere other than the UK, then it's your loss, not ours. We'll hide behind out online store, and not give you a refund on shit, until WE receive the seeds we mailed to you"

Legal pft. I wasn't even talking about legal loopholes: I was talking about the loopholes the seedbanks setup, to allow them to treat overseas customers like fuckwitts.

Now, I am well aware that MOST people seem to get their seeds without any issues at all: WHich is good. Makes me almost want to try Attitude: Oh wait, the credit card thing, OR WAIT, the the return policy, OH WAIT, etc,etc,,.. But the com[any policies just don't look after customers that cannot walk into the store and say "These ucking seeds didn't work, fucker, refund em!"

Like I said, it's too hot today for me to bring my argumentative A-Game, but recapping: I wouldn't want to be one of the 10% or so that get shafted by attitude.
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Thankyou for showing your utter ignorance to how the law works in this country. Their store policy must work within the current laws genious LoL. Noone can walk in and say these seeds don't work UK or Yankee. Learn the law or shutup :lol:
 
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Samwell Seed Well said:
what law is this for us yanks?
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The misuse of drugs act possibly. Seeds are legal, cultivation is completely illegal. The fact that seeds are legal is a loophole in itself. If a company were to discuss the germnination of the law they would most likely be charged with conspiracy to cultivate a controlled drug, lose their business, their asserts, and possibly goto jail. It's so easy to bash a comany as shit when you have no idea why they are required to act in a certain way by law.
 
FriendlyTokez

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I agree, charge backs always work.
Could only see an issue if you charge back too often but Attitude has a really good delivery rate.
The other option is calling customer service especially if you chose guaranteed shipping.
From what I've read east coast gets their orders sooner. I'm looking for the big promotional sale this weekend, 7 freebies. Excited for G13 Blueberry Gum and Dinafem OG Kush. I wonder if that can be combined with the Holy Smoke promotion.
 
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State or federal, it has no relevance. It's a UK company, they have to obey UK laws. I must be honest in that im surprised the feds havn't tried something like they did with Mark Emery, i guess he was just a little closer so slightly more convenient.
 
Mindmelted

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GrassCity Sucks said:
I've never heard of anyone trying to claim a refund on an already successfully germinated seed, that's the most stupid thing I've heard in - well - a week! :)

People SHOULN'T get the wrong seeds, the SHOULDN'T get Regulars when they've paid for Femmed, and they certainly shouldn't get unviable seeds, from ANY business that charges an average of 10+% for each and every seed they sell. I won't even start on the credit-card scamming, it wasn't happened in a while, apparently.

Anyway, it's hot, and I'm too tired to, um, argue, about attitudes, um, poor professional ethics, um, but most of the complaints we read about are from people who don't, um, get any seeds at all, or the get duds. Why would anyone complain about a seed actually germinating like it should? .. Few months down the track you find out it's not a WW but a g13? Only a complete idiot would try send back a grown plant :)

But they shouldn't NEED to: That's my point: Attitude KNOW we can't do fuck-all if our seeds aren't right, so even after they've gone through customs and made it to your house, out of $150 seeds, if only 4 germinate and they're all males, you're meant to what? Sorry? MAIL the entire package BACK to attitide so they will honour their 'policy'.

To state it's legal loopholes that prevent them from being imprisoned is absurd. I'm talking about $150 orders with only 10% viable seeds, and attitudes 'send em back, or fuck off - fool" - pardon the pun - "Attitude" towards it's customers.

It's got NOTHING AT ALL to do with legal anything: It's their store policy: "If they don't work, and you live anywhere other than the UK, then it's your loss, not ours. We'll hide behind out online store, and not give you a refund on shit, until WE receive the seeds we mailed to you"

Legal pft. I wasn't even talking about legal loopholes: I was talking about the loopholes the seedbanks setup, to allow them to treat overseas customers like fuckwitts.

Now, I am well aware that MOST people seem to get their seeds without any issues at all: WHich is good. Makes me almost want to try Attitude: Oh wait, the credit card thing, OR WAIT, the the return policy, OH WAIT, etc,etc,,.. But the com[any policies just don't look after customers that cannot walk into the store and say "These ucking seeds didn't work, fucker, refund em!"

Like I said, it's too hot today for me to bring my argumentative A-Game, but recapping: I wouldn't want to be one of the 10% or so that get shafted by attitude.
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Whatever dude...How can you rag on a place you have not done biz with.
And most the time that people complain about attitude it is not even their fault.They are a distributer not a breeder.so if beans dont germ it is not attitudes fault.and they where not the ones scamming the cards.This a hack artist world and most places will be hacked at one time or another.i know guys who have over a hundred orders and not one issue.And most of the noobs who rag have low post counts and i dont think can wipe their own arses....just my 2 cents...seems pretty stupid to bash a place YOU have never used and just listen to hearsay is what most of it is..Period.....
 
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To put it as simple as it can be put. If you don't agree with a companies terms and conditions, don't use them.

Why not just be happy that UK companies are happy to sell you seeds via a loophole in the law, we could always just make it completely illegal if that would suit your better?
 
GrassCity Sucks

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tip top toker said:
State or federal, it has no relevance. It's a UK company, they have to obey UK laws. I must be honest in that im surprised the feds havn't tried something like they did with Mark Emery, i guess he was just a little closer so slightly more convenient.
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You're a fool.

We're ALL aware that cannabis seeds are legal in the UK: Else we wouldn't be ordering from a fucking seed-bank sits smack in downtown London.

As usual, I didn't mention the local UK laws for canna seeds, because I wasn't addressing the law: I was pointing out the fact that Attitude's had complaints about everything from Credit Card scamming to dried/crushed/completely fucking useless seeds. And, so many times I've read of customers in the USA and Australia (were it is completely illegal to even possess the seeds) who - upon informing attitude of their 'seeds being un-suitable' have been told they'll have to send them BACK before Attitude will honour anything - even the paid guarantee. I've even heard of people whose seeds were simply mailed to the wrong address by attitude, and their way of dealing with their error: "We'll have to notify the Australian Postal Service that we have a missing package, which will mean telling them what's in the package. if you do not wish to incriminate yourself, then we can't help you any further"

Just cos you got a hard-on for Attitude, don't be fabricating shit I didn't say, especially not as the basis for an argument.

The companies policies are nothing to DO with the legal requirements that allow it to operate. I say 'loopholes', you start fartin out your mouth about 'legal this and that' we're ALL well aware cannabis is illegal to grow in the UK: that wasn't even mentioned in the message I wrote.

Just, go have a cone and stop talking shit.
 
GrassCity Sucks

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Mindmelted said:
Whatever dude...How can you rag on a place you have not done biz with.
And most the time that people complain about attitude it is not even their fault.They are a distributer not a breeder.so if beans dont germ it is not attitudes fault.and they where not the ones scamming the cards.This a hack artist world and most places will be hacked at one time or another.i know guys who have over a hundred orders and not one issue.And most of the noobs who rag have low post counts and i dont think can wipe their own arses....just my 2 cents...seems pretty stupid to bash a place YOU have never used and just listen to hearsay is what most of it is..Period.....
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As a seed bank, standard practice is to test the seed batches they order in. If they don't do that, then they can't really stand behind anything they mark-up and re-sell to us, can they? And if they DO test, then there shouldn't BE any nonviable seeds - period. At $15-$100+ for a single seed, I think any company that takes any kind of pride in what they do would ensure such simple errors don't occur.

As for not using them myself: I won't, because I've read dozens, maybe hundreds even, of posts on 4 forums over a period of last year when the credit card scamming went on, to last week, when - having logged into Attitude to compare prices, I look up to find my postcode filling-up my Username: field, and what could only have been my street address filling-up the Password: field (judging by all the password dots anyway).

After scanning so many responses (both good and bad) I'd think I'd have a pretty good overall view of what PEOPLE LIKE YOU think of Attitude :)

Along with all the mixed complaints, there are far more PEOPLE LIKE YOU, who jump - eagerly - to defend Attitude from "Those bitching about" it. I'm well aware that 80-90% of posts about Attitude are complimentary.

My argument is that a business of ANY kind, that simply over-prices (by 5-15%, on average compared to Sea of Seeds), and re-sells something in bulk, should step-up and take the loss when seeds go missing through Attitudes fault, instead of crawling in the corner behind a 'policy', blaming some 'third party' for everything goes wrong.

It's pathetic.

90% positive is an excellent general opinion, but the mistakes attitude make, are simply stupid ones.

Anyway, I gotta go water my garden :) It's only 24oC today :) After 4 days of 40+oC, it'll be nice out there today :)
 
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GrassCity Sucks said:
As a seed bank, standard practice is to test the seed batches they order in.
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Amazing. And how specifically do they do this if operating from a country where it is illegal to germinate seeds? And how do they test the seeds; by removing two or three from each pack and growing them? How do they sell a pack with two or three seeds missing? And surely if you are testing one seed then you have to test *all* seeds; would you like them to grow all of these seeds into plants, then magically convert the plants back into seed form afterwards?

Have you thought for even the tiniest second about the logic of what you are suggesting? Or the legality? Jesus Christ.
 
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GrassCity Sucks said:
As a seed bank, standard practice is to test the seed batches they order in. If they don't do that, then they can't really stand behind anything they mark-up and re-sell to us, can they? And if they DO test, then there shouldn't BE any nonviable seeds - period. At $15-$100+ for a single seed, I think any company that takes any kind of pride in what they do would ensure such simple errors don't occur.

As for not using them myself: I won't, because I've read dozens, maybe hundreds even, of posts on 4 forums over a period of last year when the credit card scamming went on, to last week, when - having logged into Attitude to compare prices, I look up to find my postcode filling-up my Username: field, and what could only have been my street address filling-up the Password: field (judging by all the password dots anyway).

After scanning so many responses (both good and bad) I'd think I'd have a pretty good overall view of what PEOPLE LIKE YOU think of Attitude :)

Along with all the mixed complaints, there are far more PEOPLE LIKE YOU, who jump - eagerly - to defend Attitude from "Those bitching about" it. I'm well aware that 80-90% of posts about Attitude are complimentary.

My argument is that a business of ANY kind, that simply over-prices (by 5-15%, on average compared to Sea of Seeds), and re-sells something in bulk, should step-up and take the loss when seeds go missing through Attitudes fault, instead of crawling in the corner behind a 'policy', blaming some 'third party' for everything goes wrong.

It's pathetic.

90% positive is an excellent general opinion, but the mistakes attitude make, are simply stupid ones.

Anyway, I gotta go water my garden :) It's only 24oC today :) After 4 days of 40+oC, it'll be nice out there today :)
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If seeds go missing they do replace them.... Their policy comes into play when dumb folk email them asking about germination. Once again you are displaying your grand ignorance. If seeds go missing and it is a guaranteed delivery method, then attitude are legally bound to replace them, there is no hiding in corners and blaming 3rd parties, and they do. And if someone doesn't understand the emails sent to them, that's rather their own fault for being silly enough not to understand their legal rights. If the seeds are unviable from receipt, then like with every company, attitude requests that they are returned for inspection.

And no, attitude cannot stand behind their product because to test them would be to end up in jail, once again, this little ditty about cannabis being very illegal. Even then, they do not have to stand behind their product, the product is a souvenir not intended for germination. Moan as you like about their terms and conditions, it'#s either that or the UK stops selling seeds altogether. Doesn't take a whole lot of common sense to read what you are agreeing to. If you can't be arsed to read before accepting, you have no right to stand their crying when they point out the terms and conditions as it seems everyone likes to do.
 
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I have indeed :)

And, since they seem to have no issues acquiring seeds - in bulk - from the breeders, perhaps they could make an investment, and setup a test-facility somwhere it IS legal to grow. Hell, they could even send the seeds to a third-party for testing, and actually have a clue which batches are viable or not, and maybe even eliminate Breeders from the 200-odd on their list, if they continue to receive dud seeds from that breeder.

As for testing each seed, that's utterly silly: They would have to come in batches, at least all legal plant seeds are batch processed. Testing a cross-section of each patch wouldn't mean 'testing every seed". just taking a swap - so to speak - of the general population for each batch.

A seed-bank that doesn't test viability has NO quality control system in place. It's like designing cars then selling them, without even testing to see if they'll roll.

So quit with the hysterical "SO they meant 2 test EVERY damn SEED? Huh? every SINGLE seed should be grown into a PLANT? You foolish arrogant fuck! "_

Quality control is the reason we - as customers - in any democratic society can purchase a toaster, a stereo, iPod, iPad, Laptop - whatever it is, and know with relative certainty that the item will do as advertised. If it doesn't function as it's supposed to, you get a replacement. It's basic business, and I don't give a dogs dick where a seed-bank is, it should find a way to test it's product, not just stick em in the fridge and hope they're alright when they reach one of us.

Yet again, you go completely out of CONTROL Crazy, defending Attitude, when all I'm suggesting is they step-up and offer customers some system of quality control.

Anyway, I'm suitably tired now to not be fucked debating about it any further today.
 
GrassCity Sucks

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And no, attitude cannot stand behind their product because to test them would be to end up in jail, once again, this little ditty about cannabis being very illegal. Even then, they do not have to stand behind their product, the product is a souvenir not intended for germination. Moan as you like about their terms and conditions, it'#s either that or the UK stops selling seeds altogether. Doesn't take a whole lot of common sense to read what you are agreeing to. If you can't be arsed to read before accepting, you have no right to stand their crying when they point out the terms and conditions as it seems everyone likes to do.
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I haven't been ripped-off by attitude, so it doesn't affect me at all, whatever policies or conditions they put in small print: I'm simply pointing out the obvious 'loopholes' that end in disappointment for the 5% or so customers who don't get a refund, Or viable seeds.

Attitude manages to protect itself 100% it seems, from losing a dime, more often than not, at the customers expense. Defend that any way you want ;)
 
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The only way they protect themself 100% is because of the retarded nature of the buyer. Guaranteed shipping is guaranteed shipping, if it does not arrive, you are legally protected. If the seed arrives and is unviable before even trying to germinate, you are legally covered. The item was not as described. It seems noone understands their consumer rights.

Returns
If you require seeds to be returned then the have to be completely unopened and also be in the original packaing. If, on reciept, the goods are faulty then please take the following steps:
Please pay the return postage and send back by recorded delivery so you have a proof of posting
We can repair a faulty product within the first 3 months (or replace it depending on the fault)
If the item is in stock we will replace it immediately. If not we will give a credit note or refund.
Postage will not be charged on replacement/repair of faulty goods
If on receipt you are not happy with your goods please take the following steps:
Complete a return form stating the reason for return and enclosed with goods and send back within 14 days of receipt.
Goods must be returned in the same condition as they were received.
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That doens't sound like they're 100% covered from losing a penny to me, that sounds like they accept returns like any other company out there. because again,m to refuse returns would be in violation of the law unless the item in question was in violation of telesales laws, and they would again find themselves in a lot of trouble.

You seem to think attitude are above the law. News flash, they are not...

Rocket science!
 
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