To Top or not to Top....

Hello,
Ive been doing some research and have concluded my plant is to tall and too spindly. Should i consider topping my plant to stunt its growth so it grows outwards more? and if so where should i do it? As you can see in the picture View attachment 2134838View attachment 2134842the lower leaves are small and all over the place whilst at the top the leaves are big and have very long branches. The stem is thin and very flexible, i feel its all out of proportion! I used the LST method for a day which definitely helped the lower section of the plant but still theres a large gap between nodes and the plant has become very messy (growing in all directions). My final question relates to the second picture ive uploaded. One of the leaves ( and even then its only on one of the blades) has gone very limp and thin. Ive been using a water sprayer to water them and giving them 5 - 6 sprays in the morning. For fert im using Indonesian bat guano mixed with water, but have only does this a few times so far. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

thank you

p.s Im growing it in coco too

Is there anything in the water that you foliar with? Do you have a fan blowing on the plant to increase its stalk strength? Small/young plants sometimes act weird as teens. What Lighting do you use? What does your feeding schedule look like? What is the RH of your grow space?

Yh im using a fan on it to increase the stalk strength and so far i haven't put anything in the water when foliar feeding. Im feeding it with guano tea and add it to the normal watering schedule once every 2 - 3 days in a weak solution ( 2 tblespn per gallon of water). As for lighting, im using a very basic light at the moment but ive only had her for a week. Before this my mate had it in a room with other plants with a 600 watt hps.....and I think the light was too high cause it looks stretched. I am looking to get a 250 watt hps in the next 24 hours.... Ive been offered a 600 watt but i think thats to much for one plant and i have no ventilation minus opening the door of the wardrobe and a window of the room its in and letting the air circulate lol. To be honest its a very basic set up in a wardrobe with foil lining the inside. And your gonna have to expand on RH dude i dont know what it stands for :/

i would pull the poor plant up.. if you cant get the minimum things for a proper grow then you prolly shouldnt grow at all. just sayin.

wow that hurt

All good bro, we'll get you to where you want to be with this grow.

-The lamp was definitely too high then IMO. I have a 600w HPS running as we speak and I could definitely see how she;d get leggy from that.
-I'd see if you can get a 250w HPS/MH interchangeable, that way you can switch the bulbs, which will add some life to your bulbs and also use the Metal Halide for Veg, then switch to HPS for bloom.
-The heat for anything higher than 250w will be a big issue for you if you choose to go with 400w or higher
-Take the foil down in the wardrobe, I know it was probably a pain to put up, but it offers very little reflection and has a nasty habit of holding pockets of heat/cold. You can get a few long rolls of Mylar, which is MUCH more reflective and better with heat, cold, spills, humidity etc.
-RH is relative Humidity, you can get a cheap thermometer with a humidity tester for less than $10.

Lemme know if this helps,
-Bayou Bud

Bayou bud said:

All good bro, we'll get you to where you want to be with this grow.

-The lamp was definitely too high then IMO. I have a 600w HPS running as we speak and I could definitely see how she;d get leggy from that.
-I'd see if you can get a 250w HPS/MH interchangeable, that way you can switch the bulbs, which will add some life to your bulbs and also use the Metal Halide for Veg, then switch to HPS for bloom.
-The heat for anything higher than 250w will be a big issue for you if you choose to go with 400w or higher
-Take the foil down in the wardrobe, I know it was probably a pain to put up, but it offers very little reflection and has a nasty habit of holding pockets of heat/cold. You can get a few long rolls of Mylar, which is MUCH more reflective and better with heat, cold, spills, humidity etc.
-RH is relative Humidity, you can get a cheap thermometer with a humidity tester for less than $10.

Lemme know if this helps,
-Bayou Bud

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Definately helpful man thank you. Im gonna get everything sorted tomorrow for it. It all happened a bit quickly so i had little time to prepare a set up. I guess the final question is whether i should top it or not?

and also i cant get any Mylar until tomorrow. Is it worth leaving the foil up over night or shall i take it down?

Bayou bud said:

All good bro, we'll get you to where you want to be with this grow.

-The lamp was definitely too high then IMO. I have a 600w HPS running as we speak and I could definitely see how she;d get leggy from that.
-I'd see if you can get a 250w HPS/MH interchangeable, that way you can switch the bulbs, which will add some life to your bulbs and also use the Metal Halide for Veg, then switch to HPS for bloom.
-The heat for anything higher than 250w will be a big issue for you if you choose to go with 400w or higher
-Take the foil down in the wardrobe, I know it was probably a pain to put up, but it offers very little reflection and has a nasty habit of holding pockets of heat/cold. You can get a few long rolls of Mylar, which is MUCH more reflective and better with heat, cold, spills, humidity etc.
-RH is relative Humidity, you can get a cheap thermometer with a humidity tester for less than $10.

Lemme know if this helps,
-Bayou Bud

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great reply man . + rep

no need to top ....just lst her closer to the pot almost a circle....and it will start to grow again but it will be much shorter and it will bush out again.

keep up the feeds and give a good amount of water until it comes out the bottom, so that it saturates the soil though out the pot...let soil dry out...repeat.

fir3dragon said:

i would pull the poor plant up.. if you cant get the minimum things for a proper grow then you prolly shouldnt grow at all. just sayin.

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some things are better left unsaid! that post was uncalled for...don't yah think?

Mike0909 said:

wow that hurt

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yah don't pay any attention to the assholes!

Thanks mike and cockbag,

Sometimes the best way to learn is to get the plant first and be forced into cultivation head first. I'd TOP her if she was from clone, or FIM her if she is from seed. There are a ton of great How To videos on Topping/Fimming on youtube. And the choice on the foil is up to you, but I can promise you it does little to nothing for increasing your lumen reflection for the girl :/. Sorry man, in my time growing I've learned hard that your DIY dreams will be crushed over and over in cultivating. Haha

Also, with what Lime said, I'd agree that topping/fimming might not be totally necessary right now, but the increased auxins in the lateral branches will only help her recover into a fat, bushy plant. Oh and if I haven't said it yet, sorry... but stop spraying her so often, especially without nutrients mixed in. If you are having very soft leaves than your humidity might be off, which might be a result of foliar spraying too often with too weak of a lighting system. The plants like to be sprayed, but overdoing it can over-drench their stomas.

Im no expert but I'd agree with lime73 LST is an amazing method, if you wish id also recommend FIM at some point alongside LST. Both methods together, you can expect a very very bushy bushy and it isnt a sexual innuendo lol

be careful if FIMing a cloned plant, their internodal spacing and rigidity may make it difficult to hold itself up properly because its branching points are not all symmetrical and may throw off the shape/sturdiness of the plant.

Two things I will say. First is I would go to your local garden nursery and buy some nice potting soil without time released nutes. They'll have pro mix, buy it if you haven't already. (Soil is super important). Second suggestion is stay away from hps/ mh if you do not have ventilation. Go with led or cfl. If your worried about cfl making popcorn bud go led. Pm me if you need direction. Don't be discouraged, everyone starts somewhere; ignore the previous troll post by the other guy.