Too bushy... I don't know what's going on!!!

Blent said:

Stems look thick and healthy, leaves are in exceptional quality for the stage of life. Begs the question, how much trimming do you do (lollipopping) / how dramatically do you change the nutes into flower? Looks to me like there's still a lot of nitrogen and perhaps that is why you see less going into the flowers? If that is due for harvest or even a late harvest then we should notice a lot more loss of life to the fan leaves..

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I usually only do a very light trim when putting them outside, they live in the veg tent for 2 months and then get put outside.
the nutrients get switched from your typical grow to bloom stuff. nothing fancy.


I know what you mean about the Nitrogen I think that might be from me reusing the same soil as the last plants ( as they are only small plants and the post are huge. I think the plants during flowering might be sucking out all the stuff the need and leaving all the Nitrogen in the soil so the next clone comes along gets slightly worse.

My very first 2 clones didn't turn yellow at all and they are getting treated the exact same way so for this next lot im going all new soil and see if it makes any difference .

This was one of the mums buds.



Do you really think they have more life approx 1/3rd of the trics have turned amber, just about 95% of the pistles are red and curled up

iknownothink said:

I usually only do a very light trim when putting them outside, they live in the veg tent for 2 months and then get put outside.
the nutrients get switched from your typical grow to bloom stuff. nothing fancy.
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I know what you mean about the Nitrogen I think that might be from me reusing the same soil as the last plants ( as they are only small plants and the post are huge. I think the plants during flowering might be sucking out all the stuff the need and leaving all the Nitrogen in the soil so the next clone comes along gets slightly worse.

My very first 2 clones didn't turn yellow at all and they are getting treated the exact same way so for this next lot im going all new soil and see if it makes any difference .

This was one of the mums buds.

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Do you really think they have more life approx 1/3rd of the trics have turned amber, just about 95% of the pistles are red and curled up

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Hard to say man... How big are the root balls when you pull them? Does the soil allow enough root expansion? I don't think that extra nitrogen is a huge problem in the end stage and especially not during development.... Now I'm thinking that the switch from artificial to outdoor light might be the reason you see underwhelming blooms. Do you notice different yeilds at different parts of the summer or year? Assuming you live in a very warm climate such as Cali, you still wouldn't see enough light intensity through fall / winter to flower huge bud heads I don't think. Especially with the significant drop in light intensity.. have you tried to flower this strain under lights? Certainly looks ready to harvest there but could be reaching maturity early through stress. I'm only making assumptions here to help you think about this..

Blent said:

Hey all..
So I am well into my veg cycle and I want to push it a bit longer as there is still some space left... However when I look at my plant now I just don't know what is going on! Yes I'm new to this system but not to growing dak.. this strain though and this indoor set up is just going nuts! Should I thin her out a bit? It's only standing about 8 inches high and I have LST pulling out in all directions. Have topped about 6 times on all main lines... Should I start thinning out from the centre or the bottom? Help! Thanks
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Looks like gdp

rob333 said:

and why would u thin it out ? leaves are solar panels and removing does little to nothing but stress the plant out thru out veg mainly the last 3-4 weeks of flower i would veg that out at least another 2-3 weeks peace

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tell him, robert.. sup my brother how u been?

Blent said:

Hard to say man... ..

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Roots are good, cover about half the pot ( the pot is probably twice as big as it needs to be ) the roots touch the edges but there is probably 50% soil with thick roots and 50% loose after I pull one.

I reckon you might be onto something with the climate. we are going through a shocker at the moment . we hit 42 degrees yesterday which I think is your 110ish Fahrenheit
I've ordered a green house which I'm going to set up just to take off a bit of that harsh direct sunlight and set up a water mister because we not even in Summer yet The possitive about it been so hot here and so much sun is I can grow 365 outdoors pretty much.

I haven't tried this strain indoors yet as I'm loving the outdoors so far I'm about 3 months into switching to blooming outdoors after doing indoor grows for a year.

should remove fan leaves either just before you flip your light or in the first 3 weeks of flower.....i'm growing 8 plant scrog and have defoliated on 3 occasions now for better airflow and better light penetration....twice I removed nearly all fan leaves and leave top 4 leaves on each bud site and they bounce back within 12-24 hrs, I created another 10 to 20 bud sites from defoliation and my buds will be dense instead of airy.....you do need fan leaves but you don't need ones that block light and as many when growing indoors as you fully control nutrients and buds need light, airflow and space to get dense

Blent said:

Hey all..
So I am well into my veg cycle and I want to push it a bit longer as there is still some space left... However when I look at my plant now I just don't know what is going on! Yes I'm new to this system but not to growing dak.. this strain though and this indoor set up is just going nuts! Should I thin her out a bit? It's only standing about 8 inches high and I have LST pulling out in all directions. Have topped about 6 times on all main lines... Should I start thinning out from the centre or the bottom? Help! Thanks
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Hey man your problem is the topping each time you top other branches will form out creating new tops & leaves. You just have too much new growth going on I’d say top your plants 1-2 times .. it’s not growing vertically cause it’s focusing on creating side branches and all that good stuff

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iknownothink said:

Roots are good, cover about half the pot ( the pot is probably twice as big as it needs to be ) the roots touch the edges but there is probably 50% soil with thick roots and 50% loose after I pull one.

I reckon you might be onto something with the climate. we are going through a shocker at the moment . we hit 42 degrees yesterday which I think is your 110ish Fahrenheit
I've ordered a green house which I'm going to set up just to take off a bit of that harsh direct sunlight and set up a water mister because we not even in Summer yet The possitive about it been so hot here and so much sun is I can grow 365 outdoors pretty much.

I haven't tried this strain indoors yet as I'm loving the outdoors so far I'm about 3 months into switching to blooming outdoors after doing indoor grows for a year.

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Ahhh well then... Now I think I know what's up... When you veg inside do you run 24/0 or 18/6... regardless, If you're entering summer like me and you're attempting to flower outside the photoperiod length is long enough that it could just as easily carry on vegging outside during these day lengths. You might be witnessing flowering through stress... Unless you're running auto's? Ive had a very similar situation when putting clones outside during early summer... Could be best to flower indoors if you want a spring/early summer bud harvest as these day light hours are confusing your plant...

Blent said:

Ahhh well then... t...

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Man I love this forum, there are so many smart people here ! I reckon I've saved thousands in $$ purely from advice on here and just bouncing ideas off people. What I might do is actually start a grow journal and I'll link you too if if you want cause I don't want to keep pissing on your thread haha.

They run on a 18-6 their whole life for the first 2 months, then it's straight outside into a bigger pot ... Here where I live we get decent good sunlight almost 11hrs a day for the whole year reckon and in summer that might go to 13hrs or in winter down to 8-9 ( I'm just estimating cause I don't really follow sun patterns lol)
Maybe the whole, re-potting, going outdoors and changing nutes all at the same time is just too much.. it sounds like a very plausible cause.

I actually just took the largest clone from the veg tent and was going to do some testing. I've put it in a smaller final pot about 1/3rd the size to 18ltr I might leave it veg for another week to get comfortable with the transplant then by that stage the new greenhouse should be up and running and ill move it out under some partial shade.

mr sunshine said:

tell him, robert.. sup my brother how u been?

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mr sunshine how are u brother im good man

reddevil17 said:

should remove fan leaves either just before you flip your light or in the first 3 weeks of flower.....i'm growing 8 plant scrog and have defoliated on 3 occasions now for better airflow and better light penetration....twice I removed nearly all fan leaves and leave top 4 leaves on each bud site and they bounce back within 12-24 hrs, I created another 10 to 20 bud sites from defoliation and my buds will be dense instead of airy.....you do need fan leaves but you don't need ones that block light and as many when growing indoors as you fully control nutrients and buds need light, airflow and space to get dense

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Isn't that the whole argument , The fan leaves are the solar panels so saying they block the light is just silly. it doesn't matter if the fan leaves are covering buds or not because every bit of light that gets to any of the fan leaves is contributing to the whole plant growing. I've heard some say that you trim the little fan leaves off to stop them growing so the plant focuses on the bud development but is that really true ? Trimming leaves is purely just for easy maintenance and inspection and just cleans the plant up, but doesn't effect the bud size or harvest in any way ?

I'm trying 2 plants now both fairly identical both had same lives, 1. I'm doing all the trimming people say to do and snapping a few branches to stress her out etc the sister is just all natural wild it just does what ever it wants. both are about 3 weeks into flower

I've defoliated 3 times on my current grow and each time they bounce back within 12 hrs no joke and I was ruthless on them, I done it coz I'm scrogging and the canopy was to bushy where the leaves were starting to sweat......it's created more bud sites especially if you defoliate in late veg and get as much light to all the growth that would usually get no light...

plus air flow and light are showering all my buds as I defoliated one last time on day 20 of flower....
don't defoliate after this and don't go nuts.......they need leaves but not massive amounts where it's blocking most of your light from reaching down into your sea of buds plus there's more chance of mildrew and pests with a jungle canopy also lollipoped underneath my net

I'll post pics of my sea of buds in 4 to 5 weeks time and tell me the method doesn't work....
guy called nebula haze shown me the method and guy grows baseball bat colas.......this is my 4th grow and 3 were done with no training or defoliating and the results I'm gonna get from this will make me always train and defoliate on scrogs in the future....
8 plant scrog 600 hps should hit a pound easily

proofs in the pudding

reddevil17 said:

I've defoliated 3 times on my current grow and each time they bounce back within 12 hrs no joke and I was ruthless on them, I done it coz I'm scrogging and the canopy was to bushy where the leaves were starting to sweat......it's created more bud sites especially if you defoliate in late veg and get as much light to all the growth that would usually get no light...

plus air flow and light are showering all my buds as I defoliated one last time on day 20 of flower....
don't defoliate after this and don't go nuts.......they need leaves but not massive amounts where it's blocking most of your light from reaching down into your sea of buds plus there's more chance of mildrew and pests with a jungle canopy also lollipoped underneath my net

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I just got a bit ruthless on this biatch.
Before and after pics.

I doubt there will ever be any clear evidence one way or the other. I've read so many contrary posts with, "proof in the pudding", experience pointing to their way being the best way.

I think it has a lot to do with a lot of different variables. Without having a great number of plants in perfectly controlled enviroments in order to compare there's no way to really quantify the reaults.

There seems to be fair evidence and theories about why each separately is better then the other so I guess it cones down to personal experience.

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Yeah...here was mine at 12 inches tall:
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Then 2 weeks later:
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Then 17 days after that:
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I'm checking out your setup, I've never seen that, that's pretty nice! ..nice looking plant too