We need someone to look at our seeds scientifically and tell us what's up with sex. There is so much guessing, and I mean no offense, it's all we have is first hand accounts of what works for someone else, but it has everyone confused as to what the correct answer is.. It would be nice to once and for all know if a seed has predetermined sex or environment determined.
You can pop 1000 seeds and get 600 males and 400 females you can pop 1000 seeds in those same conditions and get 100 males or really any number. If environment played a roll, IMO, then all seeds would come out the same, you wouldn't have lower number of males in lower temps. You would have 0 males in low temps or you could find the "perfect range" to get 99% females it seems that this stuff, to me, is just the randomness of regular seeds and people see what they want to see.
I have a hard time believing you can feminize pollen but if you don't feminize it the pollen doesn't have a sex? on top of that it's not going to know it's sex for 4 weeks+? So 1 seed will know it's sex the second it's pollinated and another seed is going to magically flip flop sexes based on conditions? I can't believe that until I see proof, scientific proof where someone actually takes some gunk out of a seed and tests it's hormone levels, or whatever they need to test.
The whole feminization process seems to make the environmental conditions hypothesis dead in the water, BUT Nature is weird, and she doesn't always play logically.
One example I will bring to the table is my own experience with Grape Stomper OG, I have read that a bunch of folks that grow stomper seeds get a bunch of males. Other strains are known for producing more females in seeds, some produce males very infrequently. Personally I hit 4/4 males on my first run of GSOG's, now I have ran Bodhi gear in roughly the same conditions, slightly "worse" actually, and got 1/1TER 1/1BT male to female on both strains I popped, the GSOG's were kept cooler and vegged only under blue light (250 MH bulb vs. 6500k CFL for 12 and 250watt HPS for 12 ). Now in the"worse" conditions(as far as producing females goes according to the hypotheses) one would expect to get 3/1? maybe even worse, but to get 50/50 in "worse" conditions when 100% was the case previous? to me that says it's A) the genetics of the strain B) sex is predetermined the second the pollen hits the pistil. You might say 8 seeds isn't very many, you're right.
So a brief recap, the GSOG's were kept cooler under blue light with more air movement and 4 were males 100% balls everywhere, the Blue Tara and TER were vegged in a slightly hotter veg cabinet and moved into my flower space to save a bit of power at night. The ones that were on hotter conditions and under a 50/50 mix of red and blue light came out 1:1 male:female.
If environment played a roll then we have to ask ourselves why did my seeds in slightly better conditions come out males? Why were the seeds that were flip flopped between light intensities, which no doubt causes a little stress the first few times, come out female.
Let's say Burtybob popped 50 seeds and got 45 females, another question is why are those males males? If the conditions are perfect and you have 90% females why did the few turn males at all? and the biggest question of them all that needs to be answered if this is the case, WHEN? when does the sex get determined and how can we manipulate that time frame to our benefit?
It's better to have an idea of something that might work then no idea at all I suppose, but it just seems like another myth to me.
Sorry for gunking up your thread smokylungs
LOL What the fuck thread am I IN !!!
Whoops. Thought I was in the last resort seeds thread lol
