top quality hazes, thais & jacks etc. that are 12 weeks or less?

i have 3 favorite "indoor hazes" i'm looking to improve on with more refined ones that might be out there. my favorite so far is TGA's jack's cleaner 2 with a warm euphoric touchy feely buzz with sensory effects. i like high quality seeds' haze x skunk for a very potent clear headed motivational buzz with some psychoactivity and that's long lasting with high tolerance. it's good meds for tuning pain out too. then i like DNAs nice and fruity sweet haze that's like a true haze. it's just that much fruitier and even has more psychoactivity than many similar fruity strains with only slight hints of catpiss. that one is more of what i'd expect a haze to be like than other strains.

these days, anything can be a haze, so i just use the term to mean sativa dominant. the amnesia haze i grew by rokerij had about nothing to do with actual haze though it was fruity and hazelike.

what are the very best haze type strains that you've grown that are doable in 12 weeks or less? i'm not looking for the most productive strains, just whatever has the best THC profile and flavor. i'm especially interested in fruity hazes, especially if they have juicy fruit thai flavors. i'm also really interested in strains that aren't fruity but are peppery like kali mist used to be before it had a fruity strain dilute it's flavor. i'm not looking for stinky strains at all or less than delicious flavor traits like cat piss, rotting fruit, baby crap or diesels etc. lemon always sounds nice to me.

sannies' jack & lemon thai are on my shopping list. euphoria & sensory effects are favorites. what have you tried that stands out as better than average gear? i'm also interested in DNA's chocolope & cannalope hazes. i'm looking for top quality smoke to try and breed for flavors like SOMA's sour cherry buddha's sister. a nice light sweet flavor like melon would be a nice match i'd imagine.

what would you say is top quality and worthy of breeding with?

hazy did u check out sannis shackzilla? i got one going from the femmed mix pack that i got awhile back. i gotta say that im very impressed with the way this plant grows. she is on wk 8 right now, and she is gonna be some nice hazy smoke for sure. it haze that classic haze smell to it, with a hint of fruit. i cant really describe the smell, but she is definately worth having. she definately took on the ssh side, cuz she looks white as hell. to make it even better is that shes a above average yielder. some where i saw on sannies site that its his most stable fem he has. i ordered some more shackzilla with some hercules just cuz i only have 1 shackzilla bean left. gotta have some back ups u know. this will be my first time smoking it, and i hope it is as good as it looks.

brainstorm haze, idk why you want a long flowering sativa though... there are shorter flowering sativas with better yield and comparable highs.

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

brainstorm haze, idk why you want a long flowering sativa though... there are shorter flowering sativas with better yield and comparable highs.

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im with u on that about the long flowering. 10 to 11 wks tops for me. i never attempted to grow out a long flowering strain. i havent tested my patience yet on that....lol

check out mandala for some great sativa's. satori, beyond the brain and krystalica are next on my list.

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

brainstorm haze, idk why you want a long flowering sativa though... there are shorter flowering sativas with better yield and comparable highs.

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that is the crux of the biscuit, 'comparable highs'
12 weeks isn't bad, i had an 'indica' that took 12 weeks of flower to get to its sweetest ripeness
but there are 16 week, 20 week, and worse out there, which is getting pretty crazy
i know what i've experienced with hybrids, and have the memory of sativa's from 30 years ago
the hybrids have power, no argument there, but not all of the sweetness

i'm considering satori, but i just don't like the name. 8 miles high is a favorite though... very nicely balanced and functional.

there are some very nice 9 week strains out there for sure. some of the best stuff takes longer. i'm not looking for top yields. shackzilla doesn't sound too interesting to me. i'd rather go from jacks to hazes than the more indica route with shackzilla & SSH. besides, i'll be starting with indica dominant buddha's sister for a cherry thai 2.0, so more IBL leaning strains are a better start instead of watered down genes. i'll be using BS as "afghani" with more IBL leaning haze type strains. i wanted to do the same with cali-o but it appears that's too skunky to start with for an orange haze.

white strains don't impress me. i like fluffy buds that are easy to break apart the most really. bag appeal traits are just indica hype to me. white strains are also known for trading flavor and smoothness for extra THC weight. good columbian gold buds that might look weak and fluffy are more potent than needed.

i'm liking the possibility of using lemony african malawi gold for hazes as it's newer genetics & less polluted by afghani and it shouldn't dominate in a flavor strain cross.

on the productive end of fruity hazes, john sinclair's sativa trans love has a nice enough average haze high, but it buds like crazy as soon as you flip it. DNA's stretchier sweet haze is better quality overall though. if i want to breed my own gear to my standards, it's best to start with the purest or best selected haze genes. i'm thinking cannalope haze might be about the best fruity haze for matching with tart cherry flavor.

super silver haze is heading into the wrong direction to me. if anything, i'm trying to breed something better than super silver by starting with fresh IBL dominant genes. i guess the best thing to do would be to just hit up a bunch of the best stuff i have with buddha's brother and select for the best synergies. (sweet haze x buddha's sister) x sweet haze would have to be nice at the very least. (cannalope x BS) x cannalope sounds potentially better as well as lemony (malawi x BS) x malawi. trying to keep the indica content under 25%

i bet some breeder has a fruity haze as good as sweet haze or even better. unless anyone can recommend a really nice haze, the buddha's sister crosses would look something like
x buddha's sister male
jack's cleaner 2
malawi gold
sweet haze
sweet haze x (C99 x A11)
C99bx x (C99 x A11)
sour cream x (C99 x A11)
STL x (C99 x A11)
masterkush (red pheno) x (C99 x A11)
haze skunk x C99

and possibly:
malawi gold x (C99 x A11)
JC2 x (C99 x A11)
haze skunk
blueberry x C99
STL
jack (CH9 low odor & indy growth habit)
jack 33
sannies' jack
pineapple express
&
*chocolope & *cannalope haze are on my shopping list

sour cream x buddha's sister would be a really tasty med use strain. i hope some of it's flavor gets preserved in my cindy apollo cross.

maybe i should just try crossing it with durban poison. sickeningly sweet black licorice and sour cherry could make something different. it'd be hysterical if it tasted like red vines.

all those times people have told me i should try amnesia this or that haze, i expected a more lively discussion here. at least i know a few really good strains that smoke close enough to IBL quality.

a friend of mines goes to jamaica once a year, and always comes back with a bunch of seeds, of all differant kinds of strains. some of the best shit i grew last year came from those seeds. i planted 7 seeds 4 were female n 3 were male. those were the fucking tastiest buds of last year. i had 2 of those girls reeked like pineapple/mango and tasted just like it too. the other 2 were a fruity haze, with maybe like a hint of melon. the only thing that may discurage me from popping some more is these fucking plants are extremly difficult to grow indoors. i had to feed like once every week and 1/2 or 2. very very finneky plants with massive stretching. they were all hybrids, and i was thinking that they were gonna be some crazy sativas but i was wrong. this leads me to wonder if these guys in jamaica by seeds from seed banks to cross into there sativas or genetics were brought from some where else, and little by little the true sativa is dissapearing in jamaica.

jamaica landraces have been long gone for quite some time. they didn't yield very well and were replaced by heavier producing indicas since they brought in more money for them.

If you get the right Jack Herer or G13 Haze pheno, you can have it ready in 8 weeks.

Here's my Jack at 50 days 12/12:



..and my J1 around 5 weeks:

I grew some Greenhouse Seeds Super Lemon Haze and it was great. Some of the most resinous buds I have ever seen. Not a great yielder, but I got almost 2 oz dried. I flipped to 12/12 when the plant was about 18" tall. It took about 62 days for mine to finish. It is a definite stinker though because of the skunk in it. I loved it. I grew it out as a freebie, but I bought another 5pk for sometime in the future. I'm going to try out one of those Chocolope's for my next grow. I don't remember ever having having any weed that reminded me of chocolate but it sounds good.

jamaican x columbian gold from sannies might be interesting then

My Favs:
KOS _ IronCindy
ACE Seeds - Bangi Haze
Mr Nice - Mango Haze (Right around 11-12weeks, but I had a few that go 14+)

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SinCity - Dream and Sour. just sounds absolute fantastic to me. I am a huge fan of fruity,rotten earth/rotten fruit hazes.

how do the bangi & mango buzzes compare? i'm keen to try something by ace seeds. i was looking into orient express, but the IBLs sound really nice for sure

i was just going back to look at breeders i don't usually check out that get a lot of positive feedback here and decided to add dinafem super critical haze to my fems to test list. it sounds like their best strain and if the haze it descends from is as nice as it's description, it's worth checking out at least. it's a bummer that it can't be cloned, but if it's nice, it'll get some nice 9 week JC2 in it.

a lot of strains i'd like to try are $80+.

i'm also thinking of giving dutch passion a go with strawberry cough or freddy's best

i still haven't grown any TH seeds gear out yet and want to try wreckage

someone here suggested TGA third dimension and considering i already love JC2 and have interest in both of the parent strains, i'd like to try that

DNA chocolope & cannalope haze are on my short list

sannies lemon thai, jack herer & columbian jamaican all sound interesting

i hope the malawi gold lives up to it's early descriptions & thai comparisons.

Op. Chocolope is a beast and one of the best smoked around. Tried it in Adam when it won the cup. The flavor and high just blew my mind. Super upity and heart racing high. I did sit there and smoke grams of it though...

Both Mango Haze and Bangi Haze are similar in highs. I have trouble discerning between the two, let alone most highs(I dont know, its a sativa and gets me high as fuck!).... Just classic haze type highs. Not overpowering like SSH was for me, no paranoia or heart exploding feeling. Very smooth smokes as well. (I love me some SSH, makes my heart explode though, and super sweats, one-two bowls max)


I ordered Killing Fields fems from sannies a few days ago. comes with 2 free KF#7xKF#7 as well. Nothing but good reviews from killing fields. It seems like almost guaranteed fire from all the reports out there. nice thing too, is its highly documented by many growers.

i think some local rastas preserve the good stuff here and there, and jamaican strains have been around at least as long as marley's best

I know that Black Widow has some 10-12wk brazillian sativa dominant phenos that are supposed to be very electric and paranoia inducing.

paranoia isn't the funnest trait. light psychoactivitity with extra euphoria is nice. it might be true "you gotta cough to get off", but be careful what you wish for with those high potency strains.

I haven't grown any haze or sativas but my first is probally going to be mango haze its Shantibaba's favorite strain and all the grows I've read about have had more than 1 mango pheno and it finishes in 8-11 weeks