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irieie said:

with your logic all you have done is delay the inevitable. you say that the state will be forced to open the dispensary portion of the law but no provisions to change the 25 mile restriction has even been discussed. in your entire lengthy statement above no where did you say anything about changing the 25 mile restriction. all you said is you made a facebook comment and that made the state halt the entire program. i think you are giving yourself too much credit in this respect. Until you publicly back a change in the 25 mile restriction, your interests in operating will always be questioned and you will get negative publicity from the caregiver community.

With all the resources and relationships your organization has at their disposal, if you are truly about options as you preached above then stand behind patients rights and publicly denounce and request for change in the 25 mile restriction. this will increase your standing in the mmj community and help you build a bigger patient base. if patients grow their own, most will want clones and seeds and medicine to tide them over between harvests. if you show that you support patients rights then more patients would use your services. this is a beneficial business decision for your collective not to mention the positive implications this would have on individual patients. until you do this all your talk about being for the patients is bullshit.

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going to have to agree with this.

RottenBoy said:

Changing the 25 mile rule doesn't help patients persay... it helps growers/caregivers make money off patients.. Most patients who utilize a co-op/dispensary.. are already unable to grow for themselves..
Again this isnt EVERYONE... cause i myself would like to be able to grow forever... But I don't think its something that will happen.
But to say that if they don't stand behind YOUR beliefs... then they are not being helpful to the community.. well that's just bullshit. They have done more for the mj community in 1 week, then most people have done their entire lives...
So quit bitchin to the people who are actually helping, and start bitching to your local government.

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ROTFLMAO! It doesn't help patients, persay?! You were doing better by just flat out ignoring this topic. The cat's out of the bag now. I thought AZCS was about patients? I thought that Bill doesn't even wake up without donating to the sun so it can rise. Saying that you don't think a repeal of the 25 mile rule won't happen helps all of us to assume one of a few things. One, you didn't think prop 203 would pass at all in the beginning. Two, you don't think it's in your best interest to correct what is obviously a monopoly clause and what amounts to 'rent control' for mmj. Three, you stand more to lose by helping your 'community' than you do by maintaining the status quo. So which is it? Is it a combination of these reasons? I really hope and pray to whatever just force or deity that exists; when I reach the level of success enjoyed by Bill and Al Sobol (might as well be related) that I do not consider those I serve to be the greatest threat to my security and proserity. I really thank you for letting everyone on RIU know EXACTLY what type of folk you are and charitable, honorable, and true are not among of the adjectives I would use to describe you and others like you. I hope one day you might come to your senses and realizes that the some of the best leaders lead from the front and lead by example. Until then I will just hold on to my hope; which is like trying to hold onto sand with your bare hands.

RottenBoy said:

Changing the 25 mile rule doesn't help patients persay... it helps growers/caregivers make money off patients.. Most patients who utilize a co-op/dispensary.. are already unable to grow for themselves..
Again this isnt EVERYONE... cause i myself would like to be able to grow forever... But I don't think its something that will happen.
But to say that if they don't stand behind YOUR beliefs... then they are not being helpful to the community.. well that's just bullshit. They have done more for the mj community in 1 week, then most people have done their entire lives...
So quit bitchin to the people who are actually helping, and start bitching to your local government.

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whoa i am starting to believe that you work for them. you ride their dick a little too hard on every issue. to say that the 25 mile rule does not harm patients exhibits your ignorance of simple economics or your extreme bias for this club. you choose, either way you look like a fool.

MurshDawg said:

ROTFLMAO! It doesn't help patients, persay?! You were doing better by just flat out ignoring this topic. The cat's out of the bag now. I thought AZCS was about patients? I thought that Bill doesn't even wake up without donating to the sun so it can rise. Saying that you don't think a repeal of the 25 mile rule won't happen helps all of us to assume one of a few things. One, you didn't think prop 203 would pass at all in the beginning. Two, you don't think it's in your best interest to correct what is obviously a monopoly clause and what amounts to 'rent control' for mmj. Three, you stand more to lose by helping your 'community' than you do by maintaining the status quo. So which is it? Is it a combination of these reasons? I really hope and pray to whatever just force or deity that exists; when I reach the level of success enjoyed by Bill and Al Sobol (might as well be related) that I do not consider those I serve to be the greatest threat to my security and proserity. I really thank you for letting everyone on RIU know EXACTLY what type of folk you are and charitable, honorable, and true are not among of the adjectives I would use to describe you and others like you. I hope one day you might come to your senses and realizes that the some of the best leaders lead from the front and lead by example. Until then I will just hold on to my hope; which is like trying to hold onto sand with your bare hands.

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Again, this is MY outlook... not AZCS's.. i don't know how many times i have to tell you i dont work for them before your dumbass will believe it..
You're right when you say, I never thought the law would pass.. As much as I wanted it to pass.. I can't vote. But. now that it IS passed.. I try to help anyone and everyone I can.. Even if its sticking up for a group like AZCS that I believe in...
If you were on AZCS, you'd know ive gone out of my way MANY MANY times to help patients in need of meds... I've even driven over 4 hours to take an oz of meds to a patient in need. I don't know what YOUVE done.. other then bitch on this forum.

Price is dictated by supply and demand. When demand is high and supply is low the cost rises. When supply exceeds demand the cost will lower. When you have strict controls over supplies and nearly unlimited demand you have a major degree control over the cost. We already see how little incentive compassion clubs have to fight for the rights of patients. What incentive do you think they'll have to charge a fair cost to patients when they themselves will have control of the supply? If you as a patient are willing to pay $15-$20 a gram already, then what makes you think that when the law goes into full effect that the price won't jump to $30-$40 a gram?

RottenBoy said:

Again, this is MY outlook... not AZCS's.. i don't know how many times i have to tell you i dont work for them before your dumbass will believe it..
You're right when you say, I never thought the law would pass.. As much as I wanted it to pass.. I can't vote. But. now that it IS passed.. I try to help anyone and everyone I can.. Even if its sticking up for a group like AZCS that I believe in...
If you were on AZCS, you'd know ive gone out of my way MANY MANY times to help patients in need of meds... I've even driven over 4 hours to take an oz of meds to a patient in need. I don't know what YOUVE done.. other then bitch on this forum.

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For a donation I AM SURE!!

I am out of meds here!! Will you donate meds to a fellow patient?

Hey here is a thought, if you have a problem with the 25 mile rule then instead of complaining, pointing fingers and sitting up on your high horse, why dont YOU do something to change it...right now its a non issue anyways so i don't even understand why this even came up but I will bite and have some fun . I agree as a personal cultivator that the 25 mile rule is a way to gain a monopoly on MMJ in AZ by the dispensary owners, but if you just sit back and cry and let it happen, and then blame the potential dispensary owners for not fighting it, then you are a moron...Your just mad you can't do it for yourself...That is capitalism don't hate the player. AZCS did not write the AMMA, MPP is who you should be bitching at.

if you show that you support patients rights then more patients would use your services. this is a beneficial business decision for your collective not to mention the positive implications this would have on individual patients. until you do this all your talk about being for the patients is bullshit.

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I am just curious where did you read that AZCS does NOT care for patients rights, AND that they/we SUPPORT the 25 mile rule...simply cause Bill didn't bring up in a conversation, defending his company and members, fighting a part of the law THAT WE ALL disagree with. I mean come on, what is AZCS personally responsible for fixing all the flaws in the MMJ industry of Arizona??? And how do you know AZCS is not working with people to change things, you just assume? You know what happens when you make an assumption, you make an ass of you and umption.

Far as this

I really thank you for letting everyone on RIU know EXACTLY what type of folk you are and charitable, honorable, and true are not among of the adjectives I would use to describe you and others like you.

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You do realize that Roll It Up is the JOKE of the growing industry now a days right??? Dont take it from me either, go on ANY other grow forum and ask as i said before at one time this site was awesome, but that was like 4 years ago LOL. NOBODY other than maybe RIU cares. But you guys go ahead and keep thinking your awesome (BTW i have seen a couple of your guys grows from this thread, laughable at best )ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!

For a donation I AM SURE!!

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Actually your wrong there, too bad u guys treated him bad, he is GIVING away cuts all the time, how we all roll, we spread the love with each other. He has some some of the best genetics on the west coast too...

I am out of meds here!! Will you donate meds to a fellow patient?

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HAHAHA thats funny, hey instead go cut off that bud you ruined all the trichs on in your video and just dry it in the microwave and hit that...ALL them plants and i bet you dont pull a lb lmao...what a waste of perfectly good equipment.... Oh by the way you have a deficiency good luck lol

Good old RIU lmao...One things for sure you guys are entertaining lol

RottenBoy said:

Again, this is MY outlook... not AZCS's.. i don't know how many times i have to tell you i dont work for them before your dumbass will believe it..
You're right when you say, I never thought the law would pass.. As much as I wanted it to pass.. I can't vote. But. now that it IS passed.. I try to help anyone and everyone I can.. Even if its sticking up for a group like AZCS that I believe in...
If you were on AZCS, you'd know ive gone out of my way MANY MANY times to help patients in need of meds... I've even driven over 4 hours to take an oz of meds to a patient in need. I don't know what YOUVE done.. other then bitch on this forum.

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Now I call b.s. there isn't anywhere in az that is 4 hours from phx. Page, az is 4 hours away, any further you're in Utah. Laughlin, nv is 3 1/2hrs away. Can't be on the res cause they hate Mmj.

Pls stop giving away the bad genetics. Its not sharing the love when the genetics suck. Like you said, check out the other forums. Dispensary peeps and breeders say the same thing I do. Why give a cut of what your selling away. They want people to come in and buy from them. If not they wouldn't be in business

Blayzed76 bill should tell you to shut up and go home to your fat ugly wife.
I'm not too sure why you guys try and piss people off when you are not legit and so many people can prove it and it willl only be a matter of time until you piss off "that guy" and your all done..
As for now you need to shut up. I will throw shit out there that azcs will not like at all if you do not stop being an asshole.

And bill before you try and leave to go back to being better than everyone here please address the 25 mile thing.
Note that I said please just do it!

AZCS sucks bottom line period... " Sign over your grow rights so you can buy meds from us, in the mean time we will use your grow rights to grow more meds for profit "
You know what that shit sounds like???? Sounds like the same assholes that have infomercials at 3 am " I can turn your debt into income!!"

Do you remember how long it took the Gold Rush of 1849 to spread across the nation??

In January 1848
One man found gold and the news spread... It took a year for ALL the true pioneers to take over...
Hence the Gold Rush of 1849 not the Gold Rush of 1848 One man to start it all..

I would stop bashing these guys and avoid them if you do not like them.. Simple...
I did my bashing and I am done...



Look at it like this... These guys set the foundation of MMJ in Arizona and now it is time for the Framers to come in and build the walls...

I am a roofer so I have not been contracted to the job-site yet!!

phxfire said:

Do you remember how long it took the Gold Rush of 1849 to spread across the nation??

InJanuary 1848 a man found gold and the news spread... It took a year for ALL the true pioneers to take over...
Hence the Gold Rush of 1849 not the Gold Rush of 1848 One man to start it all..

I would stop bashing these guys and avoid them if you do not like them.. Simple...
I did my bashing and I am done...



Look at it like this... These guys set the foundation of MMJ in Arizona and now it is time for the Framers to come in and build the walls...

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I did mine too and I am done but they come back and then come back again. They will even argue with themselves " RIU is a joke in the MMJ community, but looky here I just wrote a 4 paragraph post on RIU" very retarded logic.

phxfire said:

Look at it like this... These guys set the foundation of MMJ in Arizona and now it is time for the Framers to come in and build the walls...

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They set the foundation of MMJ in AZ??? Really? Thats a stretch. Id say people like Nancy Tea, Darris Mykl, the folks at AZAOD, www.arizonaMMJ.com and numerous other people had just as much if not more.

I do however agree that bashing these guys is dumb and a waste of time. I'll never understand hating on people for doing something you aren't but you would like to do.

Lucius Vorenus said:

They set the foundation of MMJ in AZ??? Really? Thats a stretch. Id say people like Nancy Tea, Darris Mykl, the folks at AZAOD, www.arizonaMMJ.com and numerous other people had just as much if not more.

I do however agree that bashing these guys is dumb and a waste of time. I'll never understand hating on people for doing something you aren't but you would like to do.

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IT was a METAPHOR..

reasonable sense and logic left this thread a long time ago. it seems that there are three factions in this thread, growers and patients who are upset with the lack of solidarity from azcs. all they want is a backing from azcs to be against the 25 mile restriction, at the very least all they have to do to satisfy us would be to come out publicly and denounce the restiction. this would not cost them any money or resources. all we want is a position on the issue.

then we have the club owners or operators like bill hayes and his partner. all they want is to promote their business and avoid taking a stance against a law which will make their business more profitable in the long run by restricting the supply and allowing them to raise their prices and eliminate alternative means of getting medicine.

lastly we have a few nut suckers who cant seem to unmount from the huge azcs dick they have lodged up their ass. these people probaly work for azcs which would be understandable. or they are just devout followers or members of this collective and vehemently defend this shit club because they are brainwashed, ignorant, or just plain stupid.

this has created a huge divide here and no one seems to want to concede. all the growers are asking is an agreement from azcs that the 25 mile restriction is negative and should be changed. i have yet to read or hear anywhere that this is the case. all i hear are excuses with the argument that "they should not be responsible for this" or "the 25 mile rule is not bad for patients."

ALL WE WANT IS AZCS TO COME OUT PUBLICLY AND SAY THEY ARE AGAINST THE 25 MILE RESTRICTION AND THEY WILL STAND BEHIND ANY MEANS TO CHANGE IT. WE DONT NEED THEM TO DO ANYTHING ELSE JUST SUPPORT EFFORT TO CHANGE THE LAW.

they dont have to pay for anything or work on any ballot initiative, or provide any lawyer help all this is being done. all we want is their support and a statement letting patients and growers know that they support a repeal of the restriction. if they cant do this then that shows their true motives and the fact that they only care about their patients money and continued cultivation rights.this is not an outrageous demand and would not cost azcs anything. please tell us why this would be such a big deal for them.

You guys are confusing AZCS with Andrew Myers, the AzAod, MPP, etc... THEY were the ones who put the 25mile rule into prop 203. We've been against the 25mile rule from the start, of course this late in the thread it doesnt matter anyways.
Bill has been tied up, we have lives/families just like the rest of you

The fact that he hasn't responded means nothing except he hasn't had the time. Anybody that's taken the time to come down and meet us in person (and not in that "I'm going to kick your ass" kind of way) has understood what were trying to accomplish. It's certainly not to rip patients off, and I can't wait for the day when we flood the market with prices that make street dealers cringe @ their profit loss. Until we are running at capacity and have a situation large enough to support that, I am happy being the collective that offers the lowest publicly offered reimbursement for brick & mortar locations.

With members like Blayzed and Rottenboy, they've been with us since the first few days. They have watched how we operate, and were with us way before a collective was even started. The even trade project was conceptualized right after 203 passed. Go take a look at what the ETP is all about, we don't make a dime off that. Its simply an avenue for those that grow, to get rid of their excess meds... ALL of them at rates even less than the collective can afford to offer. (It is not a place for other collectives/clubs to advertise their meds)
They DO take it personally when people flame us, simply because they have met us personally, and FULLY stand behind everything that we are going for.

With that I really don't have anything else to say, our doors are always open. if you doubt, come on down and let us prove you wrong.

RottenBoy said:

Changing the 25 mile rule doesn't help patients persay... it helps growers/caregivers make money off patients.. Most patients who utilize a co-op/dispensary.. are already unable to grow for themselves..
Again this isnt EVERYONE... cause i myself would like to be able to grow forever... But I don't think its something that will happen.
But to say that if they don't stand behind YOUR beliefs... then they are not being helpful to the community.. well that's just bullshit. They have done more for the mj community in 1 week, then most people have done their entire lives...
So quit bitchin to the people who are actually helping, and start bitching to your local government.

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So untrue. i am a patient who is growing. i am on medical disability and can't afford the dispensary pricing. your argument is CRAP.

AZCS Bryan said:

You guys are confusing AZCS with Andrew Myers, the AzAod, MPP, etc... THEY were the ones who put the 25mile rule into prop 203. We've been against the 25mile rule from the start, of course this late in the thread it doesnt matter anyways.

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then come out publicly and denounce it. it would take a very minimal effort to make your stance on the issue known. it should not be a footnote at the end of some thread where you were badgered into taking a stance on an issue that is very important to the community you supposedly serve.

on another note i have checked out your exchange thing and i have noticed that the first thing you ask for is the personal information of anyone who wants to join. i realize that this is to protect you from lawsuit and make sure that everyone is legal, but why should i trust you with my personal information? what is to stop you from selling us out down the line when the feds or leo raid you and take all your files and computers? what measures do you take to protect the information of the members of your collective or the members of your site?

i appreciate your time and thoughtful response to the community which you so humbly serve.

AZCS Bryan said:

You guys are confusing AZCS with Andrew Myers, the AzAod, MPP, etc... THEY were the ones who put the 25mile rule into prop 203. We've been against the 25mile rule from the start, of course this late in the thread it doesnt matter anyways.
Bill has been tied up, we have lives/families just like the rest of you

The fact that he hasn't responded means nothing except he hasn't had the time. Anybody that's taken the time to come down and meet us in person (and not in that "I'm going to kick your ass" kind of way) has understood what were trying to accomplish. It's certainly not to rip patients off, and I can't wait for the day when we flood the market with prices that make street dealers cringe @ their profit loss. Until we are running at capacity and have a situation large enough to support that, I am happy being the collective that offers the lowest publicly offered reimbursement for brick & mortar locations.

With members like Blayzed and Rottenboy, they've been with us since the first few days. They have watched how we operate, and were with us way before a collective was even started. The even trade project was conceptualized right after 203 passed. Go take a look at what the ETP is all about, we don't make a dime off that. Its simply an avenue for those that grow, to get rid of their excess meds... ALL of them at rates even less than the collective can afford to offer. (It is not a place for other collectives/clubs to advertise their meds)
They DO take it personally when people flame us, simply because they have met us personally, and FULLY stand behind everything that we are going for.

With that I really don't have anything else to say, our doors are always open. if you doubt, come on down and let us prove you wrong.

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But what you ALL are leaving out is - YOU PLAN TO OPEN 5 Dispensaries.... Today you stand for the patients...

What about when the Lawsuit with the feds goes in your favor...