Total Noob using teas and I am a believer

[video]http://bioponicgardening.com/[/video] before his passing dr.thomas had his shit on time that's for sure! I can totally understand your wanting to change majors and embrace organics! Makes perfect sense to me!

I love the idea of doing something you love. Pharm school sounds great but believe me when I say that is a stressful way of life.

it is. and a good favorite movie of mine I hadn't watched since 03, Humbold County reminded me alot of myself. Many fellow students are overtaken by the stress already. Residencies,pre-requisites co-requisites, this that, this , that. very competitive field as well. Making near 100k a year sounds dandy and all right out of college, but I didnt grow up with that . Didn't have that when I became grown up. Never came close the first 3 years of college. Maybe I don't need all that. Plus I mean ...I'm pretty sure financially speaking alot of the higher-ups if you will in the medical cannabis industry are just fine financially hahaha. Probably good to think about this things to myself and have ya'lls input while I'm doing pre-requisites and not IN pharmacy school.

SO BACK TO THE ORGANIC SUBJECT. there are several ways to use bottles organic nutrients without compromising your microbes. Its harder but there is. As far as bottled nutes go what do so of you guys use and still not worry about your microbes? My roots organic buddha blood and veg was great. very to the point on dosage, smelled like shit when left out, very thick and muddy. not all liquid like alot of nutes that are synthetic. now im stuck with AN mother ear super tea ... and i dont like it. Im pretty sure somethings going on under there. Im not sure if its killing my microbes or not but it seems to be really watered down to me which is something I try to stay away from

I honestly have no problems at all with any of the styles of growing. I am trying to break it down to the most effective and the easiest way to do things for me. I have every bottled nute there is. I have the AN teas, the Roots line, the FF line with Bushmaster, the AN line, etc. I am very interested in reusing the soil over and over all the while getting better results each time. I want to learn more about how you do things bro. I am very interested to say the least. There are many ways to get where we are going. I am not some tree hugging extremist. I just want the best possible product I can get all the way around. I am always up for hearing how things can get better.

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I honestly have no problems at all with any of the styles of growing. I am trying to break it down to the most effective and the easiest way to do things for me. I have every bottled nute there is. I have the AN teas, the Roots line, the FF line with Bushmaster, the AN line, etc. I am very interested in reusing the soil over and over all the while getting better results each time. I want to learn more about how you do things bro. I am very interested to say the least. There are many ways to get where we are going. I am not some tree hugging extremist. I just want the best possible product I can get all the way around. I am always up for hearing how things can get better.

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for sure brother for sure. I hope you dont think im in any way getting offended or competitve , this is just the organic forum im active on the most so if I post organics its probably on here. I love the way you do things and has inspired me to change up my style in certain ways. Right now im looking at making some super soils , and teas from material rather than bottles. Kicking out the AN tea today, getting a few different enzymes and OGbiowar should be here soon. You have great results man, not sure if my message sent a few days ago but im very interested in tea ideas. im reading over the other thread on organic soil you posted as well.... and its reminding me where things fucked up... THE ADVANCEDNUTRIENTS TEA. its all right in front of me and i ignored the science. im buying some amendments and dry material nutes, as well as going back to roots organics if anything bottled. I remember my roots from them... compared to the alst run with AN... roots organic was like ...spidermans skeet sock. roots were insane. my bene tea I make it all bottled except for the microbes but all OMRI listed... makes the rhizosphere thrive again.. but then if im adding the advanced nutrients soon after it cant be doing much. Going back into scientist mode.

When we talk about benes we want to understand that they store the nutrients the plants need within their bodies. This is known as immobilization. These nutrients are eventually released as wastes, or mineralized. These benes do not wash out of the soil like chemical ferts do.

Something else to consider is that the plant wants certain micro beasties to go into drive at certain times. Bacteria are dominant in higher ph N settings vs the lower ph preferring fungal benes. Balancing you micro herd is what we need to do to give the plants the best possible environment to thrive. If we set the herds up in the best possible fashion they will do all the work for us to grow the dank.

all about keeping it alive under there. I honestly have not owned a PH meter for over a year because I havent been in hydromindstate . Still havent had a huge issue. would like to dial in the specifics. I really need a good foliar, sprout, veg, blood, and finisher tea. But the biggest thing with me is the balance between simplicity and effectiveness. do you have a relatively short ingredient list tea that you recommend? I could work adding other amendments from there. I like to start with a foundation of understanding then change as my needs do. Ive seen so many freaking tea recipes with conflicting experiences on everyone I think Ive seen , and then arguments on threads about them.. i dont have time for that shit. so im glad I met you on here. After too much hassle of research I went back to bottled nutes. Roots organics is OMRI listed so I got some more of that for my base nutes for now. Ive noticed a huge different from the AN mothers tea to that... a bad one.

Here are some picts from this past week and today. White Fire OG, Chernobyl, JTR, SBD x FB, Starlet Kush, LA Haze, and OB Ripper. Everything is doing good except for my OB Rippers. Take a look at their leaves below. They are all in the same soil, water, light, etc. I am perplexed. My plan is no nutes and plain 6.5 ph'd water for the time being. I have been adding CaMg+ with my waterings. They are in a Happy Frog based mix that includes extra ewc, perlite, and coco. I appreciate the thoughts. It is only the OBs doing this.






SBD X FB


Starlet Kush


SBD X FB


LA Haze


OB Ripper leaf


OB Ripper leaves


Jack the Ripper

Gandalf, I saw a grow of OG Rascal's Fire Alien Kush a while ago, it made the same weird rolling up of some leaves, towards end flower some were pretty much rolled into tubes. Frosty as hell and lush aside from the rolled up tubular leaves. Do you think it is possible for some genetics to simply do that?
I've seen the same thing with Cali Connection's Buddha Tahoe. MANY tubular rolled up leaves, total mutant...

EDIT: You can see the FAK doing the leaf-roll on the first page already, apologies for the off-site link but it was the only way for Doc to deal with the photobucket limitation.

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I've also seen such leaf rolling, but mostly in the flowering stage as well. I have noticed this situation with other strains though, and am at a loss of what it might be at the moment. Everybody else is looking stellar bro, nice work. O.G. strains are so friggin in-bred these kind of problems really don't surprise me. I know you have something up your sleeve, and will get these ladies tamed before flower. I'm gonna hit you up with a P.M. I was doing over 3 hours of internet leg work, and Maine is pretty awesome bro, really nice area. Plus there are still opportunities there for someone with my skill set I think. Peace, Love, and Light.

shit I don't wanna say this and rain on anyone's breeding parade but a lot of these "breeders" aren't doing cannabis any benefit with what they are or have done to some of these strains, being driven by greed and the need to wanna be a rockstar cant leave a lot of room for love of the plant imho. I have had og strains that are indeed shot! I really don't think that curl(unless it gets worse) is anything to stress about Gandalf, it could be the strain mang!

I am sure it has something to do with the strain. The Ocean Beach and the Grape Stomper are both new to me. I am going at this one very slowly. I am strongly considering going back to my well water too. 60-80 ppms. ph of 6.5ish. Hell Poland Springs is from Maine.

Some VERY interesting points mentioned for discussion in a few posts guys!
Abut the inbreeding of cannabis: I agree, we have long ago crossed the line where it is capable of surviving without human care in many cases. Even some of the Hazes are impossible to grow wild or guerilla-style. For guerilla grows I select VERY oldschool genetics, or make a mission to cross out with a land-race before planting is even considered. BUT I do not think this is a bad thing.

Let us consider plants and their animal companions: Plants evolve with particular partner organisms. What defines a plant as successful is it's ability to propagate. So we have berries that refuse to germinate unless their seeds have made it through the digestive systems of birds. This is good because it means close family cannot germinate right under the parent plant, the genetics get spread out by the birds' natural activity, ensuring gene-pools mix and continue to evolve. We have flowers that have colours in the ultraviolet spectrum and higher frequencies of light even, when these nomally invisible colours are exposed through the miracles of science, they realy look like landing-strips and bees are a buzzin' around them. This ensures a sharing of genes once more.
We have 'weeds' that are designed to cling to an animal's fur, only to drop off miles away where they will germinate on fresh ground. ETC ETC.

Now let us consider the cannabis plant: It holds it's seed deep inside the flesh of it's flowers. There is NO animal aside from humans that make use of these flowers and carry the seed. No animal aside from mankind, that is. Cannabis chose US, HUMANS, as it's companion animal. It attracted us by providing not only useful material, but waaaay before we discovered the many uses of it's long fibres, we fell in love with the fact that it GETS US HIGH. We noticed this FIRST. So that is the beauty of cannabis no1: It recognised humans as being spiritual beings. And hence, it provides for our spirits. Myco, both you and I can attest to this.

As she walked the long road with us, she learned that we are also fragile. So as we spread the seed, and started enriching her gene-pool, she rewarded us with high THC levels, high enough to dull pain. What is this if not gratitude towards us for taking care of her so well?! We have spread her across the globe, making her an incredibly successful organism indeed. She can be found in almost every populated place mates.

So now we have to ask: To that plant, who has gained her success not from anything but her ability to produce useful chemicals, how important is a logical and efficient growth pattern? She KNOWS we will hold up her branches if she cannot do so herself. She know we will give her Mg when she needs it, even if it is a higher amount than nature alone can provide. Her no1 priority? Make more CHEMICALS!!! Why? Because it is what ensures her success.

We are only seeing the beginning of these kinds of weird mutations mates. The USA is brewing a green revolution already. Each medical state advances the success of this plant. And she has a LONG way to go still as far as her potential to produce the chemicals that benefit us go. You think that she's not aware of hashish and hash-oil?.... I doubt it. As we continue breeding, marrying nature with human curiosity and scientific analysis, she will forgo many traits that a plant needs to survive in the wild.

So all we need to do is take our responsibility towards our ALLY, GANJA, very, very seriously. She is going to test us, and we will respond. A time may very well come when we are satisfied, satiated. But this is still a long time coming. Till that day arrives, LOVE YOUR MUTANTS! They are an expression of an organism loving you back. I think it is beautiful.

Love your mutants, because we are mutants too. We wouldn't need the medicine if we were not. The door swings two ways on this: Cannabis can no longer survive happily without us. But the world is in such a state that we can no longer survive without plant allies like her and fungi like the Psilocybin Mushroom. We need each other in equal measures.

EDIT: I spoke to my wife about this yesterday. I am looking into emigration to the USA, it will be a hard cookie to crack thanks to the global political situation. I can earn as much there as a GARBAGE MAN as I do over here. I will happily be a garbage man then. She has travelled the States extensively. We have decided on Maine as our first option IF this is possible at all. Perhaps we all get to have a fat joint together someday. I can but hope for that

That would be awesome bro. I am telling you this State is a hidden gem. I still laugh at how people have not found Maine, NH, and VT. Especially Maine. I am really thinking that this would be an excellent adventure for you and your wife. I will tell you this, you won't have to wait on any meds or clones when you get here. I am thinking perhaps between the 3 of us there may be some serious breeding projects on hand.

you'd love maine! We gotta be careful that we don't get toot too many people here to our lil gems in the rough, ive started seeing some stupid human tricks moving to my area that def aint native new englnd behaviors that's for sure! Now you guys on the other hand would be an asset and im sure welcomed with open arms. Ya know guys there's some area of maine ONLY patrolled by game wardens! It still has WILDERNESS that can kill you there!

The Mad Hamster, Gandalf, and Myco on the coast. I think we could make some patients happy boys. Even a small jump in a situation like this would be huge. I think there's some opportunity to be had, and some patients to be helped. Let me tell you a short story. When I was younger i was really into beepers, and cell phones, and junk like that. Not so much the techie side, more of the uses that could be applied I think. I knew china was a rural area, but immediately thought of the advantages a cellular system be be to them. That cellular system is now worth billions, and I was actually thinking about that crap as a younger person. I'm not a genius, I'm no global market analyst if they exist, but I know an opportunity when I see one. If you like to grow herb, and live in a nice, safe, clean environment this is it. There is money in what we love, and already know. This is a ground floor opportunity. I hate to keep saying that, but it really seems to be if you play your cards right. Who needs the "Emerald triangle" when we can form our own. No disrespect to you Cali boys. Have a blessed day everyone. Peace and Love.

Oh, and Gandalf. A huge public Thank You for the recent help bro(Even if people won't know what it's for). You deserve some recognition for everything you do for people around here for a change. You have a huge heart, and give so much to this community of ours. I just wanted to make people aware of this. Peace, Love, and Eternal Light to you, and yours.

That is too kind bro. I am thinking we could figure some cool things to do. I never really spoke to the incredible outdoor growing opportunities which exist here. Years differ of course, but for the most part the weather here in the late spring to early to mid fall serves up ideal conditions. Never too hot or too dry, nice Canadian jet flows combined with cool sea breeze. You should see how lush things get here.

VTM...they just found a guy who lived in the woods for 26+ years this summer. Was 100% out of contact with people as far as communication. He was caught breaking into a camp for some food. This is the real big woods bro. I love the Northern kingdom of Vt. In Maine, above 95, you are on your own in many spots. No cell phone reception. There are still territories up North. No towns, counties, etc. I think people are missing the boat. I am not too worried about people coming from away. You have to want to live here to do so. That is cool with me.

Looks like a room I could spend the rest of my life in Gandalf. My humidity got up to 93%! Shit. So I decided to leave the exhaust fan on all the time now and put a bunch of rock salt in an old motorcycle helmet bag. I'm also contemplating putting a dry z air basket in front of my intake ducting. I'd like to get a dehumidifier but am on a tight budget right now. Any advice on using the salt? Or other poor boy recommendations? Getting divebombed by bats every time I check my plants is getting kinda old. lol Little bastards.

Guys check this out, Tahoe OG from Cali Connection, regular seeds NOT fems, right... I've run this before, was excellent herb if quite skimpy on yields, you all know how much I love the lemon pledge and how it just knocks you on your ass etc etc etc.... But this is what all my flowering plants of it look like today, 4 weeks into flower:





Time-Bomb OG is more like it really. I've never heard of a slight Mg def turning a normal female into a herm. Far as light goes my room is sealed TIGHT, but I've worked with worse conditions in earlier times growing the Diesel and that went hitch-free. The Diesel had light permanently leaking onto it from the mother's 'tent', not a lot but it wasn't PITCH BLACK DARK like my room is now. T(rasvestite)hoe OG... You gotta admit the last one is funny lol...