CannaReview
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Anyone politicians who signs this is traitor who just started to speed up on the road to corporatocracy http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/293990/govt-confirms-plans-to-sign-tpp-in-auckland
TPP to be signed
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TheDizzyBizzy
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Of course it will be signed. Justin and his merry band of Neo Liberals are too busy licking the USA's boots to actually have Canada's interests in mind. Good bye net neutrality, goodbye internet. Hello TPP.
doingdishes
Well-Known Member
i hope that that is old info they are reporting. I thought JT said he wouldn't sign.....sigh......
CannaReview
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Its new info so not looking so great.
JungleStrikeGuy
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Signing doesn't really mean anything, it still has to be ratified. Just a photo op.
Brian Savage
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That is from a NEW Zeland newspaper,(meaning the New Zeland Government plans to sign), pay attention. The Liberals announced they will have vast public consultations before signing the TPP.
VIANARCHRIS
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Wrong AGAIN, hemorrhoid.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-pacific-trade-deal-signing-freeland-1.3402248
VIANARCHRIS
Well-Known Member
Chrystia Freeland won't commit to TPP signing ceremony on Feb. 4
Canada's international trade minister says her government hasn't decided whether it will participate in an expected signing ceremony for the Trans-Pacific Partnership in Auckland, New Zealand early next month.
"We are aware that some of the countries are talking about a signing in New Zealand. Canada hasn't yet taken a decision," Chrystia Freeland told reporters in Vancouver Tuesday.
Negotiations concluded Oct. 5 during Canada's federal election campaign, when then-prime minister Stephen Harper heralded the TPP as being "without any doubt whatsoever in the best interests of the Canadian economy.'
The trade minister, along with the rest of Justin Trudeau's government, have taken considerable pains to emphasize their party's openness to international trade deals like TPP. But they've stopped short of endorsing it fully, saying they have a lot to learn first about the contents and implications of the 6,000-page deal.
While her predecessor, Ed Fast, actively promoted the deal he worked to negotiate, Freeland characterized herself this week as being in "listening mode." She met Alberta farm groups Monday and has more consultations set for Montreal and the Toronto area over the next few days.
Will Chrystia Freeland introduce a bill to ratify the Trans-Pacific Partnership in the House of Commons this spring? "We're very much not there yet," the international trade minister said during consultations in Vancouver Tuesday. (CBC News)
"This is a very big, complex agreement. I've heard from some stakeholders that they're only now starting to digest it and starting to understand which parts of it will be relevant to them," she said, admitting to reporters in Vancouver that her stakeholder discussions Tuesday revealed some things that were news to both her and her officials.
She declined to specify exactly what.
"I am working hard on it myself, but I do think it's important for Canadians to understand that we are serious about the consultation process."
Signing starts 2-year ratification phase
Plans for the Feb. 4 signing ceremony first emerged in a statement from Chile's trade minister earlier this month. Inside U.S. Trade subsequently cited sources suggesting other countries were making plans for a ministerial meeting ahead of a formal signing.
The New Zealand Herald reported Wednesday that Prime Minister John Key offered to host during the last November's APEC meeting in Manila, Philippines. New Zealand is among the countries interested in hosting a proposed secretariat to co-ordinate the deal going forward.
The timing for the ceremony matters, because a formal signing starts the clock ticking on a two-year deadline for the 12 member countries to ratify the agreement through their own legislative processes. The legal effect of the deal only takes hold upon ratification.
At least six countries, including the largest economies, United States and Japan, must ratify the deal in order for it to come into force at the end of the two-year period — a threshold Freeland characterized as a "Plan B" should some of the smaller countries find the final text politically unpalatable and drop out.
Trade committee hearings this spring?
Asked when her government might bring forward a bill for Canada's ratification, Freeland first paused, and then said "we're very much not there yet."
However, she said when Parliament resumes she will ask the Commons trade committee, once it is formed, to make a "comprehensive cross-country study" of the TPP a priority.
Normally, committees set their own agenda, aside from reviewing legislation referred to it by the House.
"Our parliamentary debate about this, we really believe, should include careful committee study," she said.
Until recently, Freeland emphasized the text of the deal still needed to undergo "legal scrubbing" to make sure it contained no inadvertent errors, inconsistencies or unintended ambiguities. The English scrubbing is complete, Inside U.S. Trade reports, and the Spanish-language scrubbing is expected to finish this week.
As the only country where French is an official language, Canada is on its own to scrub the French version. When asked Tuesday, Freeland declined to say how far along this process is, and it's unclear whether that would need to be complete before a signing ceremony.
U.S. passage uncertain
In his State of the Union address Tuesday evening, U.S. President Barack Obama, for whom a ratified TPP deal could be counted as a legacy item, encouraged Congress to ratify his administration's efforts.
"With TPP, China doesn't set the rules in that region, we do. You want to show our strength in this century? Approve this agreement. Give us the tools to enforce it," Obama said.
Rep. Brad Sherman, the leading Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Asia subcommittee, said last week he thought a vote might wait until the "lame duck" session of Congress after the November elections, when U.S. politicians may feel most free to vote. Passage by a narrow margin is possible, but far from assured, while leading contenders for the U.S. presidency appear cool if not downright hostile to the deal.
"My job is to work with the Canadian politics on this, and work with the Canadian debate and consultation process," Freeland said Tuesday. "I'm going to leave it to my American colleagues to deal with American politics.
Canada's international trade minister says her government hasn't decided whether it will participate in an expected signing ceremony for the Trans-Pacific Partnership in Auckland, New Zealand early next month.
"We are aware that some of the countries are talking about a signing in New Zealand. Canada hasn't yet taken a decision," Chrystia Freeland told reporters in Vancouver Tuesday.
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Negotiations concluded Oct. 5 during Canada's federal election campaign, when then-prime minister Stephen Harper heralded the TPP as being "without any doubt whatsoever in the best interests of the Canadian economy.'
The trade minister, along with the rest of Justin Trudeau's government, have taken considerable pains to emphasize their party's openness to international trade deals like TPP. But they've stopped short of endorsing it fully, saying they have a lot to learn first about the contents and implications of the 6,000-page deal.
While her predecessor, Ed Fast, actively promoted the deal he worked to negotiate, Freeland characterized herself this week as being in "listening mode." She met Alberta farm groups Monday and has more consultations set for Montreal and the Toronto area over the next few days.
Will Chrystia Freeland introduce a bill to ratify the Trans-Pacific Partnership in the House of Commons this spring? "We're very much not there yet," the international trade minister said during consultations in Vancouver Tuesday. (CBC News)
"This is a very big, complex agreement. I've heard from some stakeholders that they're only now starting to digest it and starting to understand which parts of it will be relevant to them," she said, admitting to reporters in Vancouver that her stakeholder discussions Tuesday revealed some things that were news to both her and her officials.
She declined to specify exactly what.
"I am working hard on it myself, but I do think it's important for Canadians to understand that we are serious about the consultation process."
Signing starts 2-year ratification phase
Plans for the Feb. 4 signing ceremony first emerged in a statement from Chile's trade minister earlier this month. Inside U.S. Trade subsequently cited sources suggesting other countries were making plans for a ministerial meeting ahead of a formal signing.
The New Zealand Herald reported Wednesday that Prime Minister John Key offered to host during the last November's APEC meeting in Manila, Philippines. New Zealand is among the countries interested in hosting a proposed secretariat to co-ordinate the deal going forward.
The timing for the ceremony matters, because a formal signing starts the clock ticking on a two-year deadline for the 12 member countries to ratify the agreement through their own legislative processes. The legal effect of the deal only takes hold upon ratification.
At least six countries, including the largest economies, United States and Japan, must ratify the deal in order for it to come into force at the end of the two-year period — a threshold Freeland characterized as a "Plan B" should some of the smaller countries find the final text politically unpalatable and drop out.
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Trade committee hearings this spring?
Asked when her government might bring forward a bill for Canada's ratification, Freeland first paused, and then said "we're very much not there yet."
However, she said when Parliament resumes she will ask the Commons trade committee, once it is formed, to make a "comprehensive cross-country study" of the TPP a priority.
Normally, committees set their own agenda, aside from reviewing legislation referred to it by the House.
"Our parliamentary debate about this, we really believe, should include careful committee study," she said.
Until recently, Freeland emphasized the text of the deal still needed to undergo "legal scrubbing" to make sure it contained no inadvertent errors, inconsistencies or unintended ambiguities. The English scrubbing is complete, Inside U.S. Trade reports, and the Spanish-language scrubbing is expected to finish this week.
As the only country where French is an official language, Canada is on its own to scrub the French version. When asked Tuesday, Freeland declined to say how far along this process is, and it's unclear whether that would need to be complete before a signing ceremony.
U.S. passage uncertain
In his State of the Union address Tuesday evening, U.S. President Barack Obama, for whom a ratified TPP deal could be counted as a legacy item, encouraged Congress to ratify his administration's efforts.
"With TPP, China doesn't set the rules in that region, we do. You want to show our strength in this century? Approve this agreement. Give us the tools to enforce it," Obama said.
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Rep. Brad Sherman, the leading Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Asia subcommittee, said last week he thought a vote might wait until the "lame duck" session of Congress after the November elections, when U.S. politicians may feel most free to vote. Passage by a narrow margin is possible, but far from assured, while leading contenders for the U.S. presidency appear cool if not downright hostile to the deal.
"My job is to work with the Canadian politics on this, and work with the Canadian debate and consultation process," Freeland said Tuesday. "I'm going to leave it to my American colleagues to deal with American politics.
CannaReview
Well-Known Member
There is no debate here, this is a treaty written by corporations for corporations and brought to you by politicians paid off by corporations.
doingdishes
Well-Known Member
sadly....
OGEvilgenius
Well-Known Member
He never said that once.
In fact he deliberately avoided any kind of questions about it. Flat out.
Obama, IRONICALLY AS ALL HELL, throwing provisions to allow countries engaged in slave labor to participate... extra parliamentary law making, the entire treaty can be rewritten at any time by those on whatever corporate board is setup...
This is treason if signed. Outright.
doingdishes
Well-Known Member
my mistake...he said he'd talk about it
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/07/trudeau-tpp-_n_8257950.html
VIANARCHRIS
Well-Known Member
Trans-Pacific Partnership Can't Be Renegotiated, Canadians Must Pick 'Yes' Or 'No': Freeland
MONTREAL — A renegotiation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal is not possible even though serious concerns may be raised during public consultations, Canada's trade minister said Thursday.
"The negotiations are finished and for Canadians it's important to understand that it's a decision of yes or no," Chrystia Freeland told reporters Thursday after receiving varied feedback at a meeting at the University of Montreal.
Freeland said the treaty negotiated by the Harper government during the election campaign is very complicated, involving 12 countries along the Pacific Rim that make up 40 per cent of the global economy.
International Trade Minister Chrystia Freeland answers a question during Question Period in the House of Commons in Ottawa, on Monday, Dec. 7, 2015. (Canadian Press photo)
All countries have two years to ratify it, but the treaty comes into force if the United States, Japan and four other countries give their approval.
"It's important for us to understand that we don't have a veto," she said.
The minister said she's heard both opposition and support in consultations so far. A Council of Canadians representative on Thursday described TPP as a deal of "plutocrats," in reference to Freeland's latest book of the same name about income inequality.
Trade representatives attend at a press conference for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a pan-Pacific trade agreement by trade ministers from 12 nations in Sydney on October 27, 2014.
University of Montreal political science professor George Ross wondered about the point of the government's commitment to consult if changes are impossible because they would risk unravelling what had been achieved.
Still, Freeland said the government is committed to hearing from Canadians before a ratification vote is held in Parliament.
No date has been set for hearings or a final vote. The Liberal government also hasn't announced whether it will attend the formal signing Feb. 4 in Auckland, N.Z.
Freeland said the key date is ratification, not the formal signing. But her parliamentary secretary, David Lametti, said in order to ratify, you have to sign the deal.
"So we'll go through each step one at a time."
Meanwhile, Freeland said the complexity of the TPP hasn't slowed the government's work on ratifying a trade deal with the European Union known as CETA, describing it as a priority for the government.
"I think CETA will be really the gold standard of trade agreements. I'm working hard on it and I'm confident we will get a deal soon," she said, refusing to say if approval will come before TPP.
Also on HuffPost:
MONTREAL — A renegotiation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal is not possible even though serious concerns may be raised during public consultations, Canada's trade minister said Thursday.
"The negotiations are finished and for Canadians it's important to understand that it's a decision of yes or no," Chrystia Freeland told reporters Thursday after receiving varied feedback at a meeting at the University of Montreal.
Freeland said the treaty negotiated by the Harper government during the election campaign is very complicated, involving 12 countries along the Pacific Rim that make up 40 per cent of the global economy.
International Trade Minister Chrystia Freeland answers a question during Question Period in the House of Commons in Ottawa, on Monday, Dec. 7, 2015. (Canadian Press photo)
All countries have two years to ratify it, but the treaty comes into force if the United States, Japan and four other countries give their approval.
"It's important for us to understand that we don't have a veto," she said.
The minister said she's heard both opposition and support in consultations so far. A Council of Canadians representative on Thursday described TPP as a deal of "plutocrats," in reference to Freeland's latest book of the same name about income inequality.
Trade representatives attend at a press conference for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a pan-Pacific trade agreement by trade ministers from 12 nations in Sydney on October 27, 2014.
University of Montreal political science professor George Ross wondered about the point of the government's commitment to consult if changes are impossible because they would risk unravelling what had been achieved.
Still, Freeland said the government is committed to hearing from Canadians before a ratification vote is held in Parliament.
No date has been set for hearings or a final vote. The Liberal government also hasn't announced whether it will attend the formal signing Feb. 4 in Auckland, N.Z.
Freeland said the key date is ratification, not the formal signing. But her parliamentary secretary, David Lametti, said in order to ratify, you have to sign the deal.
"So we'll go through each step one at a time."
Meanwhile, Freeland said the complexity of the TPP hasn't slowed the government's work on ratifying a trade deal with the European Union known as CETA, describing it as a priority for the government.
"I think CETA will be really the gold standard of trade agreements. I'm working hard on it and I'm confident we will get a deal soon," she said, refusing to say if approval will come before TPP.
Also on HuffPost:
TheDizzyBizzy
Well-Known Member
The Liberals love to promise one thing, then deliver the opposite. Just like Harper.
You gotta wonder when the young kids who still support this charlatan of a 'liberal' will wake the fuck up and realize the modern day LPC is Harper-lite.
VIANARCHRIS
Well-Known Member
Let's try again, who do you support and why? Easy question. My guess is you have no fucking idea what you want, your singular focus is on criticizing the Liberals for what they HAVEN'T done. Come on old timer, this 53 year old kid wants to know what you consider good government. Who did you vote for again?
doingdishes
Well-Known Member
when Canadians pick a new Government, things will be different.
seems that the only 2 parties are Libs or Cons...Canadians get upset with the Cons so they vote liberal...when they get pissed at the Libs, they vote Con.
there's 2 other choices but for some reason they don't get picked
seems that the only 2 parties are Libs or Cons...Canadians get upset with the Cons so they vote liberal...when they get pissed at the Libs, they vote Con.
there's 2 other choices but for some reason they don't get picked
doingdishes
Well-Known Member
they are all politicians...when their lips are moving, they are lying
TheDizzyBizzy
Well-Known Member
Because people vote for shiny, not substance. The NDP would have decriminalized possession on day one, but all the little Liberal drones said that would 'help the gangs'. I'd much rather have a decriminalized system (it doesn't have to mean a ticketing scheme) that would engender a continuation of the grassroots market we now have than the corporate 'legalization' the Liberals are promising that will take years, keep prices high, and still mean lots of arrests.
Any legalization activist who supported Trudeau is a worm who should not be allowed to wriggle away from their support of this corrupt system. Voting Liberal is like buying from LP's, you're only encouraging their corruption.
JungleStrikeGuy
Well-Known Member
Nope. Conservative majority in the Senate would vote it down, and you really think the 'roll up the red carpet' guy was going to appoint any senators?