Transfer shock?

Mjaylover · Oct 28, 2015

So I had a tote with 8 plants that i use to clone and veg for a little bit. Eventually the roots tangled together. I finally kept the four I want and placed each on in a net pot with hydoton on a five gallon bucket. I had to just wind the roots up at the bottom of the net pot and place hydroton around them. 2 days later they are looking a lot worse. Leaves are droopy on a couple and overall health looks bad. And I'm shocked that the roots are poking through the net pots. I mean there are a couple poking through and all the roots look a little brown like they are dying. I assume its shock and will pass.

Just curious if any of you season DWC's know anything about once a root hits water does it have to stay in the water or die?

SnaFuu · Oct 29, 2015

If you have a clump of dead organics (roots) at the bottom of your hydroton you're asking for many problems the whole way thru.

You waited too long to transplant.

Mjaylover · Oct 29, 2015

So are these plants done? Just take clones and start over?

Or can I cut the root mass of and let the plant regrow the roots?

Mjaylover · Oct 29, 2015

I have the other four sitting in the original tote and they look fine. Could I cut the net pots and drape the roots through back into the water?

SnaFuu · Oct 29, 2015

That might be worth a shot.

Or start running bennies and out compete the pathogens.

Any pics?

rkymtnman · Oct 29, 2015

I cut out the middle "cross" on the bottom of my netpots. It gives you about a 1/2" square hole to pull the roots thru.

Are you sure the water level is high enough so the roots are staying moist?

Mjaylover · Oct 29, 2015

SnaFuu said:
That might be worth a shot.

Or start running bennies and out compete the pathogens.

Any pics?

I'll try and snap some pics today

rkymtnman said:
I cut out the middle "cross" on the bottom of my netpots. It gives you about a 1/2" square hole to pull the roots thru.

Are you sure the water level is high enough so the roots are staying moist?

Yeah I experimented with two plants. One I pulled a decent amount of roots thru last night and the other I couldn't get a ton but about 3 inches or so

The water level was originally right at the bottom of the net pots possibly submerged just so I knew they would stay wet

rkymtnman · Oct 29, 2015

water temps? pH?
any additives to prevent root rot?

hotrodharley · Oct 29, 2015

Brown sounds like res change time and some H2O2.

Terry385 · Oct 29, 2015

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tea complete well help you down the road look at feed chart
you really don't transplant net pots think you found out why

Mjaylover · Oct 29, 2015

rkymtnman said:
water temps? pH?
any additives to prevent root rot?

I always added a few mls of hydro guard. I have 3% h202

hotrodharley said:
Brown sounds like res change time and some H2O2.

I know

Terry385 said:
http://www.skunklabshc.com/shop.html

tea complete well help you down the road look at feed chart
you really don't transplant net pots think you found out why

I fell behind schedule pulling the rooted clients from the bubble closer and just started adding nutrients to them. :/

I know now to pull them quick once a see a few roots poking out the stem

Terry385 · Oct 29, 2015

Mjaylover said:
I always added a few mls of hydro guard. I have 3% h202

I know

I fell behind schedule pulling the rooted clients from the bubble closer and just started adding nutrients to them. :/

I know now to pull them quick once a see a few roots poking out the stem

ok..just thinking veg. plants have lots of roots
did you top water them in that 2 days

Mjaylover · Oct 29, 2015

Terry385 said:
ok..just thinking veg. plants have lots of roots
did you top water them in that 2 days

I did the first day and I forgot second day and dos third day which was yesterday. I'll take pictures and top them when I get home. I'm gonna have to start the other four plants even though they were my weaker of the 8 jist in case these don't pull through

Mjaylover · Oct 29, 2015

Here are some pics. I'm kinda torn on what to do. I have my RO machine running now which I have about 20 gallons but the water hasent sat out for 24 to let chlorine release. I want to run a h202 bathe.

You can see there are some interesting white roots coming out but a lot of the older roots are browning. He water temps are 19c so they are in line with dwc. The stems on the plant are becoming hard as a rock like they are dead. I'm gonna take a cutting or two and try and save this strain.

And I have the buckets taped with black tape so no light gets through if anyone was wondering.

Mjaylover · Oct 29, 2015

I decided to use the ro h202 bathe that still has chlorine. I figured it better than waitng a day. I also added a bigger air pump because I'm thinking that was part of the problem too

blackforest · Oct 29, 2015

Mjaylover said:
Here are some pics. I'm kinda torn on what to do. I have my RO machine running now which I have about 20 gallons but the water hasent sat out for 24 to let chlorine release. I want to run a h202 bathe.

You can see there are some interesting white roots coming out but a lot of the older roots are browning. He water temps are 19c so they are in line with dwc. The stems on the plant are becoming hard as a rock like they are dead. I'm gonna take a cutting or two and try and save this strain.

And I have the buckets taped with black tape so no light gets through if anyone was wondering.

If you have 20 gal of ro water on hand, you don't need to wait for chlorine to evaporate because there is virtually none in there. RO removes all particles, so it's practically pure H20. Your ppm should be about 10ppm or less once processed, so it's ready for nutes right away. Also, I had a net pot root battle I've recently won. When I saw some browning, I added 3ml/gal h202, then 24 hrs later I actually did it again, (rdwc system, so I added it slowly). 24 hrs after that, I did a water change out, added hydroguard and roots ecxel with fresh nutes. 3 days later, roots are going nuts and recovering very well. You might be adding hydroguard, but the bad bacteria has a bigger army than the good bacteria (hydroguard) you have to wipe out the bad bacteria army then introduce your good bacteria in force so they never have a chance to grow and take over again. Something like that. Don't worry, cannabis is extremely resilient, they will bounce back if treated right.

My Journal: https://www.rollitup.org/t/rdwc-2nd-run-blue-power.885854/#post-12023208

SnaFuu · Oct 30, 2015

blackforest said:
If you have 20 gal of ro water on hand, you don't need to wait for chlorine to evaporate because there is virtually none in there. RO removes all particles, so it's practically pure H20. Your ppm should be about 10ppm or less once processed, so it's ready for nutes right away. Also, I had a net pot root battle I've recently won. When I saw some browning, I added 3ml/gal h202, then 24 hrs later I actually did it again, (rdwc system, so I added it slowly). 24 hrs after that, I did a water change out, added hydroguard and roots ecxel with fresh nutes. 3 days later, roots are going nuts and recovering very well. You might be adding hydroguard, but the bad bacteria has a bigger army than the good bacteria (hydroguard) you have to wipe out the bad bacteria army then introduce your good bacteria in force so they never have a chance to grow and take over again. Something like that. Don't worry, cannabis is extremely resilient, they will bounce back if treated right.

My Journal: https://www.rollitup.org/t/rdwc-2nd-run-blue-power.885854/#post-12023208

Well said.. This is true. Similar steps that i take when i see the brown.

rkymtnman · Oct 30, 2015

Mjaylover said:
I decided to use the ro h202 bathe that still has chlorine. I figured it better than waitng a day. I also added a bigger air pump because I'm thinking that was part of the problem too

i think i see one problem. where is the water level at in this pic? it's hard to tell but it looks way too high.

also, instead of h2o2 as a temporary fix, pick up a bottle of Dutchmaster Zone. it's cheap to use and works really well. your water temps are great but that doesn't mean you can't get root rot.

hotrodharley · Oct 30, 2015

rkymtnman said:
i think i see one problem. where is the water level at in this pic? it's hard to tell but it looks way too high.

also, instead of h2o2 as a temporary fix, pick up a bottle of Dutchmaster Zone. it's cheap to use and works really well. your water temps are great but that doesn't mean you can't get root rot.

I began using large aquarium UV filter pumps in addition to the air pumps. 90 gal/hr units are very cheap and extremely effective in keeping the bacteria at bay.

rkymtnman · Oct 30, 2015

hotrodharley said:
I began using large aquarium UV filter pumps in addition to the air pumps. 90 gal/hr units are very cheap and extremely effective in keeping the bacteria at bay.

hey hotrod, do they increase water temps at all? have you measured with the uv on and off? just curious.

did you look at his pic that i was asking about? doesn't it look like the water is halfway up into the netpot?

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