Transplant shock from root damage, thoughts on using willow water to help recovery?

Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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^agree
Dont think any willow water is gona do anything better then some regular water with mabey b vitamins
She looks hot (nute burn ) and dry

Dont pour more acidic things in lol

If i recall the iba is the one that turns the roots on
And gibberilac acid and ctyokinens (spell)
And auxins help with the roots (kelp)

If i RECALL im not a expert either :)
 
420XX

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vostok said:
I'm itching to pot up my 10? autos

the word is .. not to pot up autos?''

but this time around I had some spares and inserted a few to their 10 liter (2.5usg) home pot

Compared to the 4 inch transfer-ables to the germs in their home pot

theirs no comparison

the 4 inchers are weeks ahead as a guess 4-5 weeks ahead

as they all fit on a heating pad at 22c/74F?

and get more controllable light

the messing I can do in a 4 inch pot is miles ahead of the home pot

which is larger and more difficult to mess with

as I say I'm itching to pot them up

but I'll wait to days end

so they recover over night

I'll give them a small spray with salic! just in case

good luck!
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Good luck to you as well :hump:
SchmoeJoe said:
How well did you water it in? The soil on top looks like it wasn't watered at all.
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The first photo waa taken before I'd watered at all, then I used about 3 cups of water when I did water - my closet is pretty dry so maybe that's why the soil looks so dry, but it's still cool and moist in there
 
420XX

420XX

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SchmoeJoe said:
That would definitely explain the wilting and could even be a part the crispy leaf issue.
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The major wilting occurred when I transplanted, it was super sad and never sprung back - i feel like my neglecting to move the light away soon enough was the reason why my wilted leaf crumbled away..
 
SchmoeJoe

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420XX said:
The major wilting occurred when I transplanted, it was super sad and never sprung back - i feel like my neglecting to move the light away soon enough was the reason why my wilted leaf crumbled away..
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How long between transplanting and watering?
 
SchmoeJoe

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420XX said:
Watered it about 30 min after
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Way too long. 30 seconds is too long. You have fresh new roots sitting there getting all of the water sucked out of them by the dry soil. I can just about guaruntee thats exactly what happened.
 
vostok

vostok

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SchmoeJoe said:
Healing stomata? Never heard of that one. Watering daily (aspirin/1liter) will drown the roots.
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Thanks for pointing this out ....

Watering daily (quarter tab aspirin/1liter) will drown the roots ...true.. I ment applied by foilar spray

healing Stomata...are Stomata not closed during times of stress?

cheers/
 
SchmoeJoe

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vostok said:
Thanks for pointing this out ....

Watering daily (quarter tab aspirin/1liter) will drown the roots ...true.. I ment applied by foilar spray

healing Stomata...are Stomata not closed during times of stress?

cheers/
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I should have figured about using the aspirin as a foliar. As far as the plants stomata the plants transpiration can be effected in different ways from different kinds of stress but the stomata aren't actually damaged so there's really no healing of the stomata to be worried about. I think you might have meant something other than how it sounded but that was how I heard it.
 
420XX

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SchmoeJoe said:
Way too long. 30 seconds is too long. You have fresh new roots sitting there getting all of the water sucked out of them by the dry soil. I can just about guaruntee thats exactly what happened.
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I think that sounds right. Didn't cross my mind at the time, but that totally makes sense and seems to be that way.
 
SchmoeJoe

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420XX said:
I think that sounds right. Didn't cross my mind at the time, but that totally makes sense and seems to be that way.
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When I do my transplants I'll use the pot I'm transplanting from to measure how much to fill the next pot so that the plant will be at the right level in the new pot. I'll make sure I have another pot off to the side already full of soil to pour on after putting the transplant in the new pot on top of the soil already in bottom.

After putting the plant in the new pot on the soil pour the soil set asude in the pot you're usung fir a scoop around the root mass and quickly scoop up more to fill in around it. Once it's about as full as it can get, instead of using your hands to pack down the soil, start watering it in. This is better because it cuts down the time before watering, helps the soil settle more evenly guaranteeing no over compressed soil, completely avoids dry soil being rubbed across bare roots, helps mske sure ypu get even eatering with no dry pockets, etc. Doing it this way there's probably 10-20 seconds between the plant coming out of the old pot and being watered in in the new pot.

Once the soil settles it will pretty much always be a little short of full and need to be topped off and watered one more time but that's ok because it will help to make sure the pot is evenly watered in with no dry pockets and that the soil is evenly settled without being packed to tight giving an ideal texture.
 
420XX

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SchmoeJoe said:
When I do my transplants I'll use the pot I'm transplanting from to measure how much to fill the next pot so that the plant will be at the right level in the new pot. I'll make sure I have another pot off to the side already full of soil to pour on after putting the transplant in the new pot on top of the soil already in bottom.

After putting the plant in the new pot on the soil pour the soil set asude in the pot you're usung fir a scoop around the root mass and quickly scoop up more to fill in around it. Once it's about as full as it can get, instead of using your hands to pack down the soil, start watering it in. This is better because it cuts down the time before watering, helps the soil settle more evenly guaranteeing no over compressed soil, completely avoids dry soil being rubbed across bare roots, helps mske sure ypu get even eatering with no dry pockets, etc. Doing it this way there's probably 10-20 seconds between the plant coming out of the old pot and being watered in in the new pot.

Once the soil settles it will pretty much always be a little short of full and need to be topped off and watered one more time but that's ok because it will help to make sure the pot is evenly watered in with no dry pockets and that the soil is evenly settled without being packed to tight giving an ideal texture.
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Thanks for the tip, I'll try that method next time. I'd like to "like" your post, but I don't see any like button... just know I do appreciate your knowledge and advice :mrgreen:
 
SchmoeJoe

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420XX said:
Thanks for the tip, I'll try that method next time. I'd like to "like" your post, but I don't see any like button... just know I do appreciate your knowledge and advice :mrgreen:
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You get the option to like posts after you've been active for long enough. It's something like a minimum number of posts or likes.
 
Sapphyre

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I always transplant using an empty pot of the same size as the pot they are coming out of to gently tamp the soil (that has been watered w plain ph'd water and let rest a bit so it is good and evenly moist) around the shape, about 3/4 up the sides. Wiggle the empty pot on the way out to increase the size just a bit, sprinkle myco in the hole and around the top, generously mist w ph'd h2o w superthrive. Remove the plant from her old pot, set in, knock the new soil into the hole right away, water in with water, ph'd w/more superthrive, top off w more pre moistened new soil and repeat the watering in. If the roots are dry at all- hit them with the ph'd + superthrive spray bottle before setting into the hole.
My transplants are smooth this way :) but I also always transplant as soon as I see 2-3 roots at the holes in the bottom of the pot they have been in. Waiting longer always seems to bring trouble! :)

A bit too long in my experience
They never slow down if you are never too late!
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max420thc

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420XX said:
Hey there, I've got a sprout ~1 month since sprouting, and I'd caused her (hopefully "her") some stress when moving to a larger pot, and it looks like she suffered from transplant shock :oops:. Half of one of her leaves wilted and crumbled away, but I can tell she's bouncing back :hump:.

I'll attach a picture of her from right after transplant, 2 hours later, and a picture of her damaged leaf (2 days after the transplant)[today].

The point of this post however; is to see what your thoughts are toward me using willow water to help my plant recover. I feel like she's perfectly fine without it, although I figure it could definitely help since the IBA in willow water is a rooting hormone, and Salicylic Acid has antibacterial properties. My thought is that adding willow water would help my plants roots heal quicker than just using simple water, and could possibly make them (roots) come in stronger than if treated without adding any rooting agents.

- Roughly 1 month old Holy Grail Kush sprout
- I know I damaged the roots when trying to deal with it being somewhat rootboundView attachment 4071615 View attachment 4071616 View attachment 4071616 View attachment 4071620
- Showing pics for reference. LEDs are on, but main point of this post is to ask for thoughts on the willow water - not showing the pics for a diagnosis.
- Still unsure if it's gonna be a female, hoping the stress doesn't affect that chance.

Anyway I'd like to hear your thoughts or tips. Thanks for any advice. :weed:
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You have to be careful how you put sticks around your plant, if you jab them through the main root you can kill it , even mature plants ,
 
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