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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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cliffey501 said:
He was screaming with martin on top of him.At which point he pulls his gun and shoots.I don't think he really needed to aim.John witnessed martin on top of zimmerman.
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john saw martin on top of zimm at one point, then goes into his house, gets his phone, calls 911, walks to a window, and martin is dead in the grass.

the screams for help lasted right up until the gunshot. why would someone with a loaded weapon pointed at someone be screaming for help?

it makes more sense that the person with the gun pointed at him is screaming for help. experts have all but ruled out zimm screaming for help, and the prosecution has tipped their hat about an FBI voice analysis.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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UncleBuck said:
no, we have tapes of zimmerman telling us what he was thinking that night, no ESP needed.
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and of course, we already have zimmerman contradicting himself under sworn oath as it relates to what he was thinking that night.

"i thought he was just a little bt younger than me"

versus

"late teens"..."i don't know where this KID is"

hope zimm tells o'mara about his several versions of events.
 
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cliffey501

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UncleBuck said:
john saw martin on top of zimm at one point, then goes into his house, gets his phone, calls 911, walks to a window, and martin is dead in the grass.

the screams for help lasted right up until the gunshot. why would someone with a loaded weapon pointed at someone be screaming for help?

it makes more sense that the person with the gun pointed at him is screaming for help. experts have all but ruled out zimm screaming for help, and the prosecution has tipped their hat about an FBI voice analysis.
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John also witnessed zimmerman screaming for help.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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cliffey501 said:
John also witnessed zimmerman screaming for help.
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not right before the gunshot he didn't. he went into his house, got his phone, called 911, and went upstairs. might such a process take about 45 seconds or so, which is about how long we hear screams for help lasting right up until the gunshot? well, duh. of course it is.
 
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cliffey501

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UncleBuck said:
not right before the gunshot he didn't. he went into his house, got his phone, called 911, and went upstairs. might such a process take about 45 seconds or so, which is about how long we hear screams for help lasting right up until the gunshot? well, duh. of course it is.
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John: “The guy on the bottom (Zimmerman) who I believe had a red sweater on was yelling to me ‘help, help’. I told him (Trayvon) to stop (beating Zimmerman) and called 911.

Narration: John locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

John: And then when I got upstairs and looked down, the person (Trayvon), who was on top, beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass and I believe he was dead at that point.”

[video=youtube;3RaknmTkjvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RaknmTkjvU[/video]
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
and of course, we already have zimmerman contradicting himself under sworn oath as it relates to what he was thinking that night.

"i thought he was just a little bt younger than me"

versus

"late teens"..."i don't know where this KID is"

hope zimm tells o'mara about his several versions of events.
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If Zimmerman said " I thought he was several years younger than me" then you would be ok with that and it wouldn't contradict?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
If Zimmerman said " I thought he was several years younger than me" then you would be ok with that and it wouldn't contradict?
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not sure, don't care. he was stupid to take the stand and i'm not sure why o'mara let him do it, especially if he knew what zimm was gonna say.
 
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NoDrama

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londonfog said:
ROFLMAO... I think you've seen too many movies kid
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He is right, when you have to actually shoot to kill someone the whole world goes completely silent, time almost stops, you shouldn't take it so lightly after all you are a veteran are you not?
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
we'll see what the FBI says about who was screaming. experts have already pretty much ruled out the possibility that it could be zimmerman.

who has to yell for help when they have a gun drawn? LOL! when you have a gun drawn on someone, it's a pretty sure thing you don't need any help, you've got all the help you need aimed at the string bean of a kid that you just profiled, stalked, and cornered.
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You seem to end most of your posts with an outright lie, why is that? You even offer contradictory evidence that proves your own statements as complete fabrication. Why do you do that? Perhaps the axiom" repeat a lie enough and people will believe it" is your style now?
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
not sure, don't care. he was stupid to take the stand and i'm not sure why o'mara let him do it, especially if he knew what zimm was gonna say.
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Well since this is going to court I will assume that they are going to use the legal definition of "FEW" on this one, you happen to know what that definition is? any idea?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
You seem to end most of your posts with an outright lie, why is that? You even offer contradictory evidence that proves your own statements as complete fabrication. Why do you do that? Perhaps the axiom" repeat a lie enough and people will believe it" is your style now?
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i didn't lie.

the affidavit says profiled. zimmerman's actions meet the definition for stalking. and martin's girlfriend's testimony includes cornering.

6'3'' and 155? string bean. 17 years old? kid. was there a gun zimmerman had and was it pointed at martin? i'd say so.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
Well since this is going to court I will assume that they are going to use the legal definition of "FEW" on this one, you happen to know what that definition is? any idea?
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i said the wrong thing the first time, i meant "little bit". but since zimmerman described martin as a "kid" in his "late teens", that puts him at 17 years old. we'll be kind and say 19 though. zimmerman is twenty eight. 9 years difference = just a little bit younger?

not buying it.
 
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