Tri-leaf seedling.

mistergrafik

mistergrafik

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Kassiopeija said:
but the guy isn't exactly 100% honest about the deviations of his genetics - he *claims* that cannabis and a special variety of hops - japanese hops (homulus lupus japonicus - which is now ordered on its own IRRC) can be crossed, but "only" if special requirements were met. The way he told the story was he had grafted cannabis onto hops and there is an actual intermediate zone of combined host + guest DNA - which can be extracted and formed into a new plant - a CHIMERA. Which would then be compatible....

The truth? Most likely just either variegated hops or cannabis derived from DucksFoot or ABC....
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I have to use the page translator; but I am still digging through :eyesmoke: :peace:

Litzinger in my name my ancestors would be upset with me I didn't know of this lol
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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BBQtoast said:
These are all errors in replication and not code, if I ask DNA to replicate it can produce errors when placed in the wrong environment. You are seeing this but the code stays the same which means that replication error did not imprint it's genetic trait and there is no code for these mutations to carry into another generation.

It's like cancer, I get a tumor grow on my neck, do I now have the cancer trait which passes onto my kids and makes a neck tumour on them? Then I get cured, where have those tumour genetics gone?

I could have DNA which is more prone to replicate errors and make cancer but their is no cancer trait and that is a spontaneous condition that wasn't there when I was born.

Brown hair is a trait, cancer is not a trait, one breeds the other is a result of DNA breaking down. Your plant has a type of cancer not mutation, stress causes hormones to make DNA divide that shouldn't be recieving it and you have the wrong type of environment for it.

The petiole of a leaf just like a stalk or stem contains cells that can replicate branches, roots, leaves, bud and is well studied in the genetic world, even a few cells from a stem can replicate a whole plant and it's been done with cell culture s. That's all you are seeing, there is no DNA that makes three leafed seeds but there is a condition in a plant where at the moment the seeds first cells divide a simple genetic error from hormonal stress can trigger an extra leaf to replicate. The DNA stays the same it's just replicated wrongly, if you extracted that DNA you would see it's missing segments and degraded compared to the original, breed this and you get Futher breakdowns and a dead end just like the result of cancer.

You shoot down what you don't know and aren't prepared to accept, it's been done before which is the reason these type of strains don't and cannot exist.
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I fully second this.

Plants grow differently than us in that they constantly replicate -or copy- their buildpattern, which is derived from special "every-fresh" zones of stemcells - so-called 'meristems':

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This tissue is also used in Tissue or Cell Culture, and hormones are responsible for the differentiation of these cells into their final tissue. You witness this every time you send a photoperiod into flower - the (elusive) 'florigen' hormone -which is built up in the leaf- trickles the petiole back and changes the meristems to produce generatively.

We can do this also artificially:
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But even inside a healthy plant, this can go astray - abiotic stress or pathogens - these hormone imbalances causes alot of growth aberrations - when things are just not at the right place. Fasziation for example is oftentimes induced by a viroid. Hemp does even possess endogene retroviruses - these already come with the seeds.
 
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mistergrafik

mistergrafik

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Kassiopeija said:
I fully second this.

Plants grow differently than us in that they constantly replicate -or copy- their buildpattern, which is derived from special "every-fresh" zones of stemcells - so-called 'meristems':

View attachment 4764941
This tissue is also used in Tissue or Cell Culture, and hormones are responsible for the differentiation of these cells into their final tissue. You witness this every time you send a photoperiod into flower - the (elusive) 'florigen' hormone -which is built up in the flower- trickles the petiole back and changes the meristems to produce generatively.

We can do this also artificially:
View attachment 4764942

But even inside a healthy plant, this can go astray - abiotic stress or pathogens - these hormone imbalances causes alot of growth aberrations - when things are just not at the right place. Fasziation for example is oftentimes induced by a viroid. Hemp does even possess endogene retroviruses - these already come with the seeds.
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who r u?... A cannabis super-hero? I'm logging off now for a while
 
xtsho

xtsho

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mistergrafik said:
Dutch passion? Looks lovely
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Frisian Duck. I got it just for the heck of it. I'm not impressed with it though. It's more of a novelty than anything else. I reversed one and made several crosses with strains I prefer much more. I haven't worked with any yet as I've been too busy with other projects. I may get around to popping some seeds one of these days but right now it's at the bottom of my list.

I also have some Auto Duck seeds so I might grow a couple of those outdoors this summer. Probably reverse 1 and collect the pollen to make more seeds and some crosses with an Auto Super Skunk and Auto OG Kush.


Kassiopeija said:
Awesome! How did it bud out? The way it looks like, defol or else shouldn't be necessary, as light seems to penetrate deep. Looking really funny, now all he'd do to create a real "Täuscherpflanze" is to change the way it buds? Just have all the trichs at the leaves, then you justroll the leaves like a cigarette
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It flowered but I wasn't impressed with the final product. It's basically just a novelty. It's not the best smoke from my experience.

Here's the one I reversed.

 
xtsho

xtsho

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Kassiopeija said:
I fully second this.

Plants grow differently than us in that they constantly replicate -or copy- their buildpattern, which is derived from special "every-fresh" zones of stemcells - so-called 'meristems':

View attachment 4764941
This tissue is also used in Tissue or Cell Culture, and hormones are responsible for the differentiation of these cells into their final tissue. You witness this every time you send a photoperiod into flower - the (elusive) 'florigen' hormone -which is built up in the leaf- trickles the petiole back and changes the meristems to produce generatively.

We can do this also artificially:
View attachment 4764942

But even inside a healthy plant, this can go astray - abiotic stress or pathogens - these hormone imbalances causes alot of growth aberrations - when things are just not at the right place. Fasziation for example is oftentimes induced by a viroid. Hemp does even possess endogene retroviruses - these already come with the seeds.
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The bottom right image looks like something I grew back when I was experimenting with Ga3.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Kassiopeija said:
Nice nice but in flower it seems to look almost normal. As even the fanleaves... Is this with the females, too? How was harvest dry mass of MJ in comparison to conventional strains? It's much less, isn't it?
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I wasn't impressed with the harvest. It seemed quite fluffy, didn't taste that great, and yielded less than most of what I grow for the same plant size. I'll see if I can dig up some photos closer to harvest.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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xtsho said:
I wasn't impressed with the harvest. It seemed quite fluffy, didn't taste that great, and yielded less than most of what I grow for the same plant size. I'll see if I can dig up some photos closer to harvest.
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it's ok this confirms what I heard, guess everything drops under the table in order to select on this trait. I hope you have secured your data from the "Disketten" as these were horribly sensitive to magnetic fields.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Kassiopeija said:
it's ok this confirms what I heard, guess everything drops under the table in order to select on this trait. I hope you have secured your data from the "Disketten" as these were horribly sensitive to magnetic fields.
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Those floppy disks were just a joke. I don't actually have any grows from decades ago stored on them.
 
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MintyDreadlocks

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mistergrafik said:
That's what I said.. Still would love to grab just to have.

hidden beans
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"The 2019 debut release of the Freakshow seed, produced by Humboldt Seed Company, is a unique and novel creation, lovingly referred to as Cannabis Lusus Monstra. With a completely new morphology, Freakshow simply has to be experienced to believe. California breeder “Shapeshifter” spent years selecting for oddities as a personal challenge. As he says, “After 40 years, normalcy starts to get a little monotonous.” Growing Freakshow does not require different treatment, but identifying the male vs. female can be tougher than regular cannabis. We hope you enjoy this wonderful, terpene-rich, beautiful plant! "

pretty cool no affiliation with Humboldt Seed Organisation? or is it the same thing
 
mistergrafik

mistergrafik

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MintyDreadlocks said:
"The 2019 debut release of the Freakshow seed, produced by Humboldt Seed Company, is a unique and novel creation, lovingly referred to as Cannabis Lusus Monstra. With a completely new morphology, Freakshow simply has to be experienced to believe. California breeder “Shapeshifter” spent years selecting for oddities as a personal challenge. As he says, “After 40 years, normalcy starts to get a little monotonous.” Growing Freakshow does not require different treatment, but identifying the male vs. female can be tougher than regular cannabis. We hope you enjoy this wonderful, terpene-rich, beautiful plant! "

pretty cool no affiliation with Humboldt Seed Organisation? or is it the same thing
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I'm not sure on that one.

Kassiopeija peaked my interest on the leaves changing in flower per the duckfoot. So I asked them about flowering and a few other things.

It grows fern-like all the way through according to HSC
 
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