Trichomes & Harvesting

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
1st thing m8 u been a great help and thanks. see i have heard amber is bad then i have read this View attachment 2345490

That is an incorrect image, fact wise.
I've posted an image in the first post of this thread which is the factual version of this image.

Amber trichomes are not the cause of a couch-lock high.

Read my first 2 posts in this thread for more information, I don't want to repeat myself in the same thread.
 

mugsyy

Member
well u better tell ryan riley and peace soma. you keep saying there no need to flush and go on about proof what proof have you got that there no need to flush and i aint getting at you am just wandering what experiance you have when there so many books and guys that work in hydrophonic shops and even on nutrient feed cards about flushing. i just think common sense would say flushing would get rid off the nutrient taste etc. and you say am wrong about amber trichomes well you not tell me am wrong you tell ryan and some soma with 30 years experience.

and i know you give out alot of great info to guys and you know alot.
 

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Buzzo

Member
Fuck this flushing business man! Grow in organic soil and blow sweet trees. End of story. Fuck, man. Hydroponics... lol
 

abuilder

Well-Known Member
It won't shock them.
Just don't feed substantially more than you did before.
Thanks..yeh I did start the nutes again the same day you first replied to me and I upped the nutes by almost 50% and the girls seem happy as can be again!! No signs of stress at all..quite the contrary. I'll probably give them nutes every other watering for the rest of the week before I go back to straight rain water again. Quick question: Do you have any idea if the Fox Farm product SledgeHammer can be used as a final flush "in lieu of" a straight water flush if one feels more comfortable trying to flush out the chemicals from the fertilizers used..
 

lokie

Well-Known Member

On my last harvest I found 1 or 2 that looked like this.

All others looked healthy like in the pics. some amber some cloudy and few clear.

Anyone else see this type of tric? sorry I do not have a camera that will take micro pics.
 

mantiszn

Well-Known Member
is that the infamous matchstick trich?

On my last harvest I found 1 or 2 that looked like this.

All others looked healthy like in the pics. some amber some cloudy and few clear.

Anyone else see this type of tric? sorry I do not have a camera that will take micro pics.
 

firsttimeARE

Well-Known Member
I think they're dead trichomes.

Sometimes i'll see on some really late flowered buds that some amber trichomes have a tinge of black to it at the top and some will be black completely or with a tinge of amber. I think thats thc degraded completely.
 

perdrick l. hapley

Active Member
well u better tell ryan riley and peace soma. you keep saying there no need to flush and go on about proof what proof have you got that there no need to flush and i aint getting at you am just wandering what experiance you have when there so many books and guys that work in hydrophonic shops and even on nutrient feed cards about flushing. i just think common sense would say flushing would get rid off the nutrient taste etc. and you say am wrong about amber trichomes well you not tell me am wrong you tell ryan and some soma with 30 years experience.

and i know you give out alot of great info to guys and you know alot.
maybe one day people will stop using "common sense" to grow pot and start relying on science.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
well u better tell ryan riley and peace soma. you keep saying there no need to flush and go on about proof what proof have you got that there no need to flush and i aint getting at you am just wandering what experiance you have when there so many books and guys that work in hydrophonic shops and even on nutrient feed cards about flushing. i just think common sense would say flushing would get rid off the nutrient taste etc. and you say am wrong about amber trichomes well you not tell me am wrong you tell ryan and some soma with 30 years experience.

and i know you give out alot of great info to guys and you know alot.
First of all we need to be clear here.
There is a difference between 'flushing' and 'pre-harvest flushing'.
Flushing can be helpful when correcting a salt build up, correcting overfeeding etc.
Pre-harvest flushing is a complete and utter myth with no evidence provided.
People claim it provides better taste (removes chem taste they say), bigger buds, better high etc.


What I have disproved is pre-harvest flushing.
I don't see a problem in flushing your crop if you have a problem with pH, nutrients etc.
But pre-harvest flushing based on the reasons I mentioned is ridiculous and not proven to be in any way factual.



If you search my nick on the forums you could find the information yourself.
We have already had a lengthy discussion on pre-harvest flushing.
I will provide you with the link this time:

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/496111-i-dont-starve-my-plants-15.html

You should read the entire thread (there are many others who rationally argue against pre-harvest flushing) but you can also just read what I've written.
I'm one of the few who provided scientific evidence (research, and books written by educated scientists).
The discussion started earlier than page 15, but I'm providing you the link to what I've written and what I stand by.

In that thread I explain;
How and where nutrients are stored in the plant.
Why they are not stored in the calyx (bud).

Those are the two main points of the main discussion I had in that thread with Gastanker.
If you read the thread entirely you will see how I disprove his statements with scientific evidence and how in the end he simply stops posting because he has nothing left to say, he was proven wrong.


Finally, a lot of these people you speak of are authors and normal people.
They don't have scientific degrees. They don't know everything.

You should trust science over personal belief ANY day of the week.
Many of the most celebrated cannabis authors have been proven wrong many times.
People just take their word for it without any evidence, which is a huge mistake to make, you should question everything unless provided proof.
 

willie163

Active Member
I was hoping someone can help me out.

i have a new plant i tried outside this year, you never really know when you get clones from someone what the strain really is but it was called MOB which i figure is maine original bluberry.
i was gettin a lot of mold so i choped it and hung some of it till it dried and now all the tricomes went from good looking to brown during drying. does anyone know why this happened?
 

lokie

Well-Known Member
I was hoping someone can help me out.

i have a new plant i tried outside this year, you never really know when you get clones from someone what the strain really is but it was called MOB which i figure is maine original bluberry.
i was gettin a lot of mold so i choped it and hung some of it till it dried and now all the tricomes went from good looking to brown during drying. does anyone know why this happened?
Rip? is that you?
 
Really nice thread. It's not rocket science, it's botanical science. SOOO much misinformation on the web that people forget how much misinformation is in print. If you can't back your arguement up with more than "I read Smarty McExpert's book on infections and it said I should cut my foot off because there is an infection" than that is your bad. Science says hydrogen peroxide will knock that mofo out then I'm gonna give that a try FIRST. If that doesn't work out we'll revisit the whole amputee thing.

As for flushing, what else on earth stops feeding before DEATH??? Why would starving anything be good for it???
There is a difference between 'flushing' and 'pre-harvest flushing'.

Instead of worrying yourself into a frenzy over something so simply explained just follow the advice given, it wasn't presented with arrogance or a Nelson "Ha-Ha", it was just put out there as fact.

Thanks again k0ijn for the post and I have should have quoted the trolls stirring the pot instead of your retorts but I digress.

First of all we need to be clear here.


Flushing can be helpful when correcting a salt build up, correcting overfeeding etc.
Pre-harvest flushing is a complete and utter myth with no evidence provided.
People claim it provides better taste (removes chem taste they say), bigger buds, better high etc.


What I have disproved is pre-harvest flushing.
I don't see a problem in flushing your crop if you have a problem with pH, nutrients etc.
But pre-harvest flushing based on the reasons I mentioned is ridiculous and not proven to be in any way factual.



If you search my nick on the forums you could find the information yourself.
We have already had a lengthy discussion on pre-harvest flushing.
I will provide you with the link this time:

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/496111-i-dont-starve-my-plants-15.html

You should read the entire thread (there are many others who rationally argue against pre-harvest flushing) but you can also just read what I've written.
I'm one of the few who provided scientific evidence (research, and books written by educated scientists).
The discussion started earlier than page 15, but I'm providing you the link to what I've written and what I stand by.

In that thread I explain;
How and where nutrients are stored in the plant.
Why they are not stored in the calyx (bud).

Those are the two main points of the main discussion I had in that thread with Gastanker.
If you read the thread entirely you will see how I disprove his statements with scientific evidence and how in the end he simply stops posting because he has nothing left to say, he was proven wrong.


Finally, a lot of these people you speak of are authors and normal people.
They don't have scientific degrees. They don't know everything.

You should trust science over personal belief ANY day of the week.
Many of the most celebrated cannabis authors have been proven wrong many times.
People just take their word for it without any evidence, which is a huge mistake to make, you should question everything unless provided proof.
 

abuilder

Well-Known Member
Really nice thread. It's not rocket science, it's botanical science. SOOO much misinformation on the web that people forget how much misinformation is in print. If you can't back your arguement up with more than "I read Smarty McExpert's book on infections and it said I should cut my foot off because there is an infection" than that is your bad. Science says hydrogen peroxide will knock that mofo out then I'm gonna give that a try FIRST. If that doesn't work out we'll revisit the whole amputee thing.

As for flushing, what else on earth stops feeding before DEATH??? Why would starving anything be good for it???
Regarding your answer Magilla....ya'll might find this interesting if nothing else. Not sure if any of you ever heard of Helen and Scott Nearing but they were/are a huge inspiration to me...always were and always will be..ya'll should look into them. Both are now deceased but before Scott died....well...read it for yourself..it's really touching and apropos as far as their lives went...btw...he left this world with just water : )
http://www.context.org/iclib/ic26/nearing/
 
That is a very interesting tidbit on a very unique and eccintric life.I'm too far away from 100 to put myself in his shoes. He lived a full life for sure although I would say his trichs were definately amber >:()

Regarding your answer Magilla....ya'll might find this interesting if nothing else. Not sure if any of you ever heard of Helen and Scott Nearing but they were/are a huge inspiration to me...always were and always will be..ya'll should look into them. Both are now deceased but before Scott died....well...read it for yourself..it's really touching and apropos as far as their lives went...btw...he left this world with just water : )
http://www.context.org/iclib/ic26/nearing/
 

wavz

Member
k0ijn...GREAT info!

Just curious...does the 48hr dark period help any?
Also, ever used hydrogn peroxide (food grade) to get O2 to the roots?

Thanks!!! :-)
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
k0ijn...GREAT info!

Just curious...does the 48hr dark period help any?
Also, ever used hydrogn peroxide (food grade) to get O2 to the roots?

Thanks!!! :-)
I've seen people proclaim is pushes out trichomes, makes the calyxes grow more etc.
But there is no evidence for a dark period 'helping'.

I use Hydrogen peroxide a lot. I use it in my spray mixes (if I have pests or need foliar feeding).
I also use it in my reservoir(s). It's great at combating algae growth and clearing the roots up.
H2O2 is a great tool for any grower.
 
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