Trichomes or eggs but no bugs

DankTankerous

DankTankerous

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Hey Folks,

I have been having what seems like a pH issues with my C99 female and now I’m wondering if it’s mites (cyclamen, broad, or russet). The stems (c99) are super purple and I will admit to adding 2 or 3 tbsp extra of Crab meal to the soil before planting. Also in the beginning I was dealing with a alkaline pH of 7<. It’s also not showing on my other plant in the same cabinet that is as well in a different soil. However, I pulled 14 fan leaves from both plants and used a microscope and not one of them had any bugs. That’s inspecting at least 3 blades per fan leaf, up and down each blade. I’m on day 12 of Flowering so I hit the plants with a citrus ferment before budsites start taking shape. The C99 was topdressed with Worm Castings and Malted Barley Seed two days ago and is in half Fox Farms Ocean Forest and Half Happy Frog Soil. I haven’t given it any nutrients other than EWC, MBS, and Growkashi. They have been in that soil for a month in a half, so i am considering giving it some Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 or Alfalfa meal.

Something is eating the plants, but I see like 2 blades out of a whole plant that had been effected. Could be fungus gnats but I really don’t see them on a day to day basis. Other than that, they are reall healthy and don’t smell at all. Temps are usually at 81, but the past couple days they have been at 70. RH is 50-60

What do y’all think Mites, pH, or Nitrogen deficiency. Should I buy predatory bugs, lady bugs, just in case? I will admit I could use a more healthy hygiene when it comes to the plants and me checking on them. The cabinet is located in my bedroom and I have a lot of houseplants, veggie plants on the back patio, 2 cats and window units (no central air)
 

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Thanks y’all!

The citrus ferment, was made out of fermenting citrus peels. It’s a probiotic for my IPM I got the recipe from @hyroot he’s been hooking it up with amazing organic KNF (or at least similar) recipes. After a citrus ferment spray, plants are praying hard when the lights come on. I also added some Silicate from Build a Soil. I have included the recipe on the bottom.

Thanks again y’all!
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ChiefRunningPhist

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DankTankerous said:
Hey Folks,

I have been having what seems like a pH issues with my C99 female and now I’m wondering if it’s mites (cyclamen, broad, or russet). The stems (c99) are super purple and I will admit to adding 2 or 3 tbsp extra of Crab meal to the soil before planting. Also in the beginning I was dealing with a alkaline pH of 7<. It’s also not showing on my other plant in the same cabinet that is as well in a different soil. However, I pulled 14 fan leaves from both plants and used a microscope and not one of them had any bugs. That’s inspecting at least 3 blades per fan leaf, up and down each blade. I’m on day 12 of Flowering so I hit the plants with a citrus ferment before budsites start taking shape. The C99 was topdressed with Worm Castings and Malted Barley Seed two days ago and is in half Fox Farms Ocean Forest and Half Happy Frog Soil. I haven’t given it any nutrients other than EWC, MBS, and Growkashi. They have been in that soil for a month in a half, so i am considering giving it some Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 or Alfalfa meal.

Something is eating the plants, but I see like 2 blades out of a whole plant that had been effected. Could be fungus gnats but I really don’t see them on a day to day basis. Other than that, they are reall healthy and don’t smell at all. Temps are usually at 81, but the past couple days they have been at 70. RH is 50-60

What do y’all think Mites, pH, or Nitrogen deficiency. Should I buy predatory bugs, lady bugs, just in case? I will admit I could use a more healthy hygiene when it comes to the plants and me checking on them. The cabinet is located in my bedroom and I have a lot of houseplants, veggie plants on the back patio, 2 cats and window units (no central air)
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How much K are they getting? Looks like it could be early signs of K def. Also looks like similar symptoms found with Mg, or B deficiencies too, maybe even Ca def. I've grown c99×blueberry fast, and had some K issues (I think). I added K2SO4 and it seemed to help. Idk how much Ca is in the crab meal but too much Ca can block a lot of your nessecary nutes. Maybe a good flush and a balanced meal. Btw worm castings will take time to see any benefit, they are slow release. Good luck! If it were me, I'd add some K but I'm not an expert. :bigjoint:

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The one pic with the canoeing leaves looks like it has some similarities with what russet mite damage looks like although I'm not seeing the common "waxy" look.
Russet mites can't be seen with a magnifying glass, you need a scope. I've had broadmites, and they couldn't be seen unless I had a scope.
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I buy cucumeris mites and use as a preventative predator mite, additionally Ill use swirskii if I get an outbreak in bloom.

Some pics do look like Ca or Mg def, or maybe Boron def, but its my hypothesis that its actually low K, and that the symptoms express as Ca or Mg def first before you see the tell tale signs of K def..
 

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drsaltzman

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If you leave drops of a citrus and vinegar spray on your leaves you will get those kinds of marks.
Even just water with ferts in it will do that under the lights.
Definitely no bugs, so that's good.
Lesions ... not enough of them for me to think it's a deficiency. Too sporadic.
Could be just sloppy watering/spraying.
If you're happy with how the plant is growing I wouldn't change anything.
 
DankTankerous

DankTankerous

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pulpoinspace said:
what lights and how close are they?

i'm not usually a "calmag fixes everything" type of guy but this plant looks like it needs mag and maybe cal too

i'd try a 150ppm of epsom salt added to your next solution
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Quantum Board V2 288 it’s not turned up all the way and it’s about 12” away from the lights. I have Epsom salt as well as Fulvex which is made from magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt). Fulvex or Epsom salt?

drsaltzman said:
If you leave drops of a citrus and vinegar spray on your leaves you will get those kinds of marks.
Even just water with ferts in it will do that under the lights.
Definitely no bugs, so that's good.
Lesions ... not enough of them for me to think it's a deficiency. Too sporadic.
Could be just sloppy watering/spraying.
If you're happy with how the plant is growing I wouldn't change anything.
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That’s interesting, the humidity does get really high with the lights off. Then when turning on I’m sure the water droplets magnify the lights burning holes.

I am going to have to figure something out with that. I’m growing in a 60” tall 32” wide and 16” deep wooden cabinet that my friends and I built.

ChiefRunningPhist said:
How much K are they getting? Looks like it could be early signs of K def. Also looks like similar symptoms found with Mg, or B deficiencies too, maybe even Ca def. I've grown c99×blueberry fast, and had some K issues (I think). I added K2SO4 and it seemed to help. Idk how much Ca is in the crab meal but too much Ca can block a lot of your nessecary nutes. Maybe a good flush and a balanced meal. Btw worm castings will take time to see any benefit, they are slow release. Good luck! If it were me, I'd add some K but I'm not an expert. :bigjoint:

EDIT:
The one pic with the canoeing leaves looks like it has some similarities with what russet mite damage looks like although I'm not seeing the common "waxy" look.
Russet mites can't be seen with a magnifying glass, you need a scope. I've had broadmites, and they couldn't be seen unless I had a scope.
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I buy cucumeris mites and use as a preventative predator mite, additionally Ill use swirskii if I get an outbreak in bloom.

Some pics do look like Ca or Mg def, or maybe Boron def, but its my hypothesis that its actually low K, and that the symptoms express as Ca or Mg def first before you see the tell tale signs of K def..
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So I top dressed with Kelp over a week ago. I’m not familiar with K2S04, I will look it up. I only use organic ingredients and fertilizers. Would Kelp extract be fine?

Yeah no waxy look at all. I have a microscope, and better than a jewelers loop at that and still didn’t see anything.
 
ChiefRunningPhist

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DankTankerous said:
Quantum Board V2 288 it’s not turned up all the way and it’s about 12” away from the lights. I have Epsom salt as well as Fulvex which is made from magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt). Fulvex or Epsom salt?



That’s interesting, the humidity does get really high with the lights off. Then when turning on I’m sure the water droplets magnify the lights burning holes.

I am going to have to figure something out with that. I’m growing in a 60” tall 32” wide and 16” deep wooden cabinet that my friends and I built.



So I top dressed with Kelp over a week ago. I’m not familiar with K2S04, I will look it up. I only use organic ingredients and fertilizers. Would Kelp extract be fine?

Yeah no waxy look at all. I have a microscope, and better than a jewelers loop at that and still didn’t see anything.
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Its just a form of potassium that the plant can use, potassium sulphate. It's the same thing as "sulphate of potash." Idk what the organic of potassium is, I think potassium gluconate is labeled as "organic?" I'm not an expert and think it could possibly be Mg too but I've been finding that my plants like more K than typically recommended. I was chasing all sorts of def but I think it was K. It started to come around near the end when I finally added more K. Kelp is great for cannibus, and it does have some K, but if attempting to increase K then I'd additionally add a sulphur based K because S is also often neglected and can lead to leaf chlorosis. I'd try adding in a little K with any Ca-Mg you add.
 
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DankTankerous

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ChiefRunningPhist said:
Its just a form of potassium that the plant can use, potassium sulphate. It's the same thing as "sulphate of potash." Idk what the organic of potassium is, I think potassium gluconate is labeled as "organic?" I'm not an expert and think it could possibly be Mg too but I've been finding that my plants like more K than typically recommended. I was chasing all sorts of def but I think it was K. It started to come around near the end when I finally added more K. Kelp is great for cannibus, and it does have some K, but if attempting to increase K then I'd go with a sulphur based K because S is also often neglected and can lead to leaf chlorosis. I'd try adding in a little K with any Ca-Mg you add.
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Got it! Thanks for all your help dude!
 
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DankTankerous

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ChiefRunningPhist said:
Its just a form of potassium that the plant can use, potassium sulphate. It's the same thing as "sulphate of potash." Idk what the organic of potassium is, I think potassium gluconate is labeled as "organic?" I'm not an expert and think it could possibly be Mg too but I've been finding that my plants like more K than typically recommended. I was chasing all sorts of def but I think it was K. It started to come around near the end when I finally added more K. Kelp is great for cannibus, and it does have some K, but if attempting to increase K then I'd additionally add a sulphur based K because S is also often neglected and can lead to leaf chlorosis. I'd try adding in a little K with any Ca-Mg you add.
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So I fed her Fish Hydrolysate 2-4-1 and Fulvex which is derived from magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt). One of the symptoms of k deficiency is small leaves, which it definitely had. Today the leaves look bigger! Thanks Again y’all
 
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DankTankerous

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Hey folks,

I started to see what looks like Cal-mag deficiency and has been so I bought Roots Organic Elemental Cal Mag and top dressed last night. Hopefully that does the trick!
 
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