Trics vs hairs...time for flush?

jondamon

Well-Known Member
@Worl' Boss heres what I’ve learned over the last 12 years.

when growing FULL RECIRCULATING HYDRO you monitor your reservoir for changes in ppm/EC and pH.

I’ve used soil once.

Been predominantly coco for 12 years with a stint doing full recirc hydro.

during the final few weeks you can track your reservoir changes each day.

As the plants begin to ripen their demand on nutrients diminishes. Meaning they take up more water than nutrients during the final few weeks.

this manifests itself in rising nutrient strength returning back to your reservoir.

You will be able to find an equilibrium during the last few weeks where your nutrient strength comes back almost the same that it went out.

my theory based on this is that plants are using less and less nutrients towards the end.

Personally I never use plain water in my grows!

However if I was using soil, the soil holds on to nutrients and releases them back to the plant so it would stand to reason that “leaching” during the final few weeks of a soil grow would not be as detrimental to a plant as it would to use plain water with a hydro grow.

However with this in mind that’s on the understanding that your plant is healthy and green when you begin to do this “leaching”.

I’m a NON FLUSHER though but by the time my coco plants are finished they are receiving approx the same nutrient strength that my seedlings were receiving.
 

jondamon

Well-Known Member
Flush, no flush, whatever. Doesn't matter unless you do it too early. Then your hurting it.

As for the color of your trichomes, I've yet to hear anyone say after a haul say "too many amber trichs." So don't put too much importance to it.
Just like there is no point checking Trichs unless your plant actually has all the ripe precursors lol.

but I agree with you 100%
 

Thundercat

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You can interpret the info any way you'd like. Those studies seem anecdotal to me, but I'll try looking for the interview you're referring to.
Still, which you seem to be ignoring, the chemical analysis showed no difference between either technique. Therefore, either way will work. It's weird that you're all so against it...It's just a different point of view, right? No need to get bothered by it.
So I was thinking about this earlier and just wanted to share my thoughts. The reason that many of us more experienced growers have looked at this study as proof of flushing being pointless is because we have experienced the same thing in our gardens by doing our own side by side tests. We never had the chemical analysis to back up our "anecdotal" findings though.

Now its been proven that there is ZERO benefit from "flushing" or even feeding with just water other then saving money on nutrients. SOOOOO when new growers are running around constantly talking about "when should I flush" or "two weeks left time to flush" or the other thousand common topics its sad and frustrating seeing them all so confused on the subject. In the end I don't care what other people do or think, but I still wish the best outcomes for everyone, and having the accurate knowledge about growing will help that happen. So thats why many of us try to share real knowledge with science to back it so that people can actually understand what is happening or not happening with the plants.

If someone came in and said "I think my plant is close to harvest, and I want to save money on nutrients, so when can I start feeding with water only" I guarantee they would get a much different approach to the question.

However most new growers come into the subject with little or no ACTUAL research. They just read it in an old hippie grow book or heard it from some other grower dude "thats been doing it for 25 years and swears by it". They want to "flush" to "clean out all those nasty nutrients' and "get smoother smoke". Which is TOTAL BULLSHIT and is proven by the scientific study which started this post. This is why many of us look at that study like we do, and share it with new growers the way we do. The main issue is preventing the spread of inaccurate/false information that doesn't teach new growers.

Flush, no flush, whatever. Doesn't matter unless you do it too early. Then your hurting it.

As for the color of your trichomes, I've yet to hear anyone say after a haul say "too many amber trichs." So don't put too much importance to it.
100%
 

A.k.a

Well-Known Member
there’s a lot of people who are excessively dickish on here, but there’s also an incredible amount of people who post questions about things and have very obviously done zero research.

Some of the stuff makes me wonder how they even made it to the post a thread page without coming across the answers on the way.
 

Milky Weed

Well-Known Member
there’s a lot of people who are excessively dickish on here, but there’s also an incredible amount of people who post questions about things and have very obviously done zero research.

Some of the stuff makes me wonder how they even made it to the post a thread page without coming across the answers on the way.
I spent a good week just googling things before I got into it, like hours. It’s what led me to this forum and it’s literally a book, you can just read it. You have to pick your sources carefully, but they are all there at our fingertips.

-a newbie
 

Worl' Boss

Active Member
Cool, sounds good, man.
Thanks for the input. Exactly the type of advice I was looking for.

Don't sweat those other guys...they're just losers who have nothing better to do. There are a lot of them in the world and internet forums only magnify it - it's to be expected. Just a sad look into their pathetic lives, ya know

4 weeks, dont flush...dem babies need all the food they can get to the end

also, to avoid trolls just say water rather than flush (which implies literally leeching all nutes out of your soil)

@ Everyone else...this is the newbie forum, you guys are picking literally on newbs.
 

Worl' Boss

Active Member
Lol and you wasted your time reading all of it. That's precious. Thanks

I've researched the topic. The question wasn't even about flushing, it was just about how much longer the buds look like they'll need before being ready for harvest. That's why I posted pictures of my grow...not someone else's grow. I've seen many other grows, but they aren't the same as mine. Hence, why I asked about my grow. I'm not sure if you're really even able to comprehend the distinction since that should have been very obvious from the start. Again, if it bothers you so much, then move along, lad. No need to be such a Karen about it.

The issue was that I mentioned the word "flushing" (which isn't even what I actually meant, just meant stopping the nutes before harvest) and some people freaked out. Guess their brains couldn't handle the idea of someone doing it differently than them.
Y'all are some funny dudes.

3 pages of crap--

@Worl' Boss if your going to post another dumb arse thread please use the search function first (as BK said maybe fake account)
 

Worl' Boss

Active Member
I get you. All of that makes sense and I get that seeing the same question can be tedious, but that's literally what the newbie forum is for...people who are trying to learn and are looking for advice on their grow. They don't need so-called experienced growers to come in acting like assholes just because they're fed up and want to make themselves feel better by acting like tough guys. It's no help whatsoever.

I appreciate your input and you taking the time to share your opinions. I could tell that you didn't agree with my gamelan, but rather than attacking, you shared your thoughts and explained why. That's a helpful way of teaching. Perfect.
The others who just yell when someone thinks differently than they do and don't offer any assistance are useless.
I've read many of your replies in other forums over the past few years while planning my first grow. Your input is always helpful to the OP and to lurkers (like me at that time). You're a class act, Thundercat. Thanks again

So I was thinking about this earlier and just wanted to share my thoughts. The reason that many of us more experienced growers have looked at this study as proof of flushing being pointless is because we have experienced the same thing in our gardens by doing our own side by side tests. We never had the chemical analysis to back up our "anecdotal" findings though.

Now its been proven that there is ZERO benefit from "flushing" or even feeding with just water other then saving money on nutrients. SOOOOO when new growers are running around constantly talking about "when should I flush" or "two weeks left time to flush" or the other thousand common topics its sad and frustrating seeing them all so confused on the subject. In the end I don't care what other people do or think, but I still wish the best outcomes for everyone, and having the accurate knowledge about growing will help that happen. So thats why many of us try to share real knowledge with science to back it so that people can actually understand what is happening or not happening with the plants.

If someone came in and said "I think my plant is close to harvest, and I want to save money on nutrients, so when can I start feeding with water only" I guarantee they would get a much different approach to the question.

However most new growers come into the subject with little or no ACTUAL research. They just read it in an old hippie grow book or heard it from some other grower dude "thats been doing it for 25 years and swears by it". They want to "flush" to "clean out all those nasty nutrients' and "get smoother smoke". Which is TOTAL BULLSHIT and is proven by the scientific study which started this post. This is why many of us look at that study like we do, and share it with new growers the way we do. The main issue is preventing the spread of inaccurate/false information that doesn't teach new growers.



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Worl' Boss

Active Member
Aww does bk feel left out...
It's ok, you can come too. After all, you are my bottom bitch. Can't leave you out of the fun.

In all seriousness, do you have someone you can talk to? Like a psychologist or even just a friend? Seems like you're having a tough time dealing with this whole thing. It's not earth shattering, bud.

You guys going to link up and do dinner and a movie too?
 

Worl' Boss

Active Member
I'm growing in soil, but everything you said is still very useful. Taking notes...
Might change to coco at some point, but I've always been a soil gardener, so I just stuck with what I already know for my first time.

Thanks for your time, man.

@Worl' Boss heres what I’ve learned over the last 12 years.

when growing FULL RECIRCULATING HYDRO you monitor your reservoir for changes in ppm/EC and pH.

I’ve used soil once.

Been predominantly coco for 12 years with a stint doing full recirc hydro.

during the final few weeks you can track your reservoir changes each day.

As the plants begin to ripen their demand on nutrients diminishes. Meaning they take up more water than nutrients during the final few weeks.

this manifests itself in rising nutrient strength returning back to your reservoir.

You will be able to find an equilibrium during the last few weeks where your nutrient strength comes back almost the same that it went out.

my theory based on this is that plants are using less and less nutrients towards the end.

Personally I never use plain water in my grows!

However if I was using soil, the soil holds on to nutrients and releases them back to the plant so it would stand to reason that “leaching” during the final few weeks of a soil grow would not be as detrimental to a plant as it would to use plain water with a hydro grow.

However with this in mind that’s on the understanding that your plant is healthy and green when you begin to do this “leaching”.

I’m a NON FLUSHER though but by the time my coco plants are finished they are receiving approx the same nutrient strength that my seedlings were receiving.
 

PadawanWarrior

Well-Known Member
I get you. All of that makes sense and I get that seeing the same question can be tedious, but that's literally what the newbie forum is for...people who are trying to learn and are looking for advice on their grow. They don't need so-called experienced growers to come in acting like assholes just because they're fed up and want to make themselves feel better by acting like tough guys. It's no help whatsoever.

I appreciate your input and you taking the time to share your opinions. I could tell that you didn't agree with my gamelan, but rather than attacking, you shared your thoughts and explained why. That's a helpful way of teaching. Perfect.
The others who just yell when someone thinks differently than they do and don't offer any assistance are useless.
I've read many of your replies in other forums over the past few years while planning my first grow. Your input is always helpful to the OP and to lurkers (like me at that time). You're a class act, Thundercat. Thanks again
Hell ya. Thundercat's Ho!

 

Worl' Boss

Active Member
I hear ya. I've done s lot of research...like years of it because I'm an avid gardener and always wanted to grow my own buds, but never had the circumstances to be able to do so.
Was only looking for people's opinions on how long it looks like they have left before harvest, but instead it turned into a whole flushing thing.

Thanks for your input

there’s a lot of people who are excessively dickish on here, but there’s also an incredible amount of people who post questions about things and have very obviously done zero research.

Some of the stuff makes me wonder how they even made it to the post a thread page without coming across the answers on the way.
 
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Worl' Boss

Active Member
You're speaking my language.
Thanks dude

Flush, no flush, whatever. Doesn't matter unless you do it too early. Then your hurting it.

As for the color of your trichomes, I've yet to hear anyone say after a haul say "too many amber trichs." So don't put too much importance to it.
 

Scuzzman

Well-Known Member
where did I say anything about flushing? You asked a stupid question without using the search tab first. Don't care what you do or how you do it! Crawl back under your rock ......
 

Worl' Boss

Active Member
Uh oh, we've got another one who doesn't understand words...seems to be a theme

I don't need to use your "search tab". I wanted feedback about my specific grow, not other grows. I'm not really sure why this is tough for you to understand. Work on that reading comprehension.

I didn't say you said anything about flushing...I referred to the thread getting derailed by the flushing argument. Again, reading comprehension, bro. Go get some

where did I say anything about flushing? You asked a stupid question without using the search tab first. Don't care what you do or how you do it! Crawl back under your rock ......
 

PadawanWarrior

Well-Known Member
Uh oh, we've got another one who doesn't understand words...seems to be a theme

I don't need to use your "search tab". I wanted feedback about my specific grow, not other grows. I'm not really sure why this is tough for you to understand. Work on that reading comprehension.

I didn't say you said anything about flushing...I referred to the thread getting derailed by the flushing argument. Again, reading comprehension, bro. Go get some
PM me. I grow in soil and won't be a dick. Unless you really ask for it, lol.
 

Worl' Boss

Active Member
Thanks man. I'll definitely reach out if I have any specific questions.
I think it's going well so far. Things look and smell great. Just trying to figure out a better feeding ratio for each strain at this point in flower. Shouldn't be too tough, just gotta dial it in a bit better.
I will say, they are much more of a forgiving plant than I thought they'd be. Just don't want to do something stupid and get nute lockout or some shit so close to the end.
After a few grows I'll be more experienced and then maybe I can troll the boards looking for newbs to ridicule for doing research and coming up with a different opinion than mine. And asking questions that have been asked before...how could they?!
Those damn loser newbs asking newb questions on the newbie board like they're newbs or something.
Let's get em! Rahhhhh

PM me. I grow in soil and won't be a dick. Unless you really ask for it, lol.
 
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