"Tropic" By www.thestealthbox.com

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sunsblood

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Hello everyone!

So im very new to the whole thing and dont have very many tools, so looking into a pre-made grow box. I have been looking into the "Tropic" by TheStealthBox.com
I Think i will be using a auto-flowering feminized seeds like Grassomatic AK-47 Autoflowering Dwarf Feminized. (if you have better ideas please let me know) I'm trying to keep it as simple as i can. Its just me and my wife, looking to spend less money in the long run. The box needs to be able to make at least 3oz per month.

I have a few questions if you guys don't mind....

1) Is there enough light?
2) How many plaints would you place into the box using the sea of green method?
3) what kind of sound/smell do you think it will make?
4) last but not least, do you think it is worth it? If not please let me know of a better pre-made box one that you would think is worth it. I'm looking for a easy mid-sized box.

I'm so far away from being a DIY-ER and wont be able to make my own. Every one tells me its easy but trust me its not lol I cant even make a home made water pipe lol. The good thing is i have money and don't mind spending like 1k for a good box, can you help?

I have read many posts about pre-made boxes like SUPERCLOSET SUPERLOCKER and the Homegrown Hydroponics Economy Grow, but everyone has only said "build your own". This advice is nice but will not work for me... let me know what you think!
 
LadyKimi

LadyKimi

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If you are at all "builder inclined" I would say U can get a WHOLE LOT MORE for your $$ if you DIY than buying a premade box. Check out the DIY section (I think its in general growing) or do a search for ghetto grow there is a monster thread with a bunch of el cheapo rooms for way less $$ that do great. Uumm.. Don't look at my Ghetto grow, it needs work LoL

Lady
 
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And if you would be willing to build one i might be willing to buy it, but again i have never used a drill and dont like that kind of thing. helpful advice would included your thoughts about the items i have picked or the questions i have asked. I know what others are able to make and i would put money that is better and cheaper but i have a job that is able to pay for all of this and want the best for my money and what im willing to do is buy a pre made box. Any thoughts?
 
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robbzilla said:
you should read a little bit or do some more research......
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I thought talking to you was research, thank you by the way! too many ppl just tell me to build it myself and i dont think that can work for me...

but lets look at this,
Tent $385.00
Lights $298.95
= 683.95 + shiping from 2 places
"other things" unkown maybe $200?
= $883.95

Tropic $699

why is yours better? bigger? you dont think that the Tropic by thestealhbox can produce 1/4 pound every other month? or you think that i need more room? i thought the plants i have been looking at should be small enough for the Tropic. is the lighting bad? do i just need to upgrade the light kit? please help me, i dont understand why i shouldnt just buy this pre-built thing... so far looks cheaper too....
 
LadyKimi

LadyKimi

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Ok, sorry if I offended you by suggesting a build. Somehow I totally missed the lower part of your first post. I can't really offer a "this is a better box" reply but I can say that the tropic should get you your 3oz or more by the specs.

Good Luck!

~lady
 
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sunsblood

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LadyKimi said:
Ok, sorry if I offended you by suggesting a build. Somehow I totally missed the lower part of your first post. I can't really offer a "this is a better box" reply but I can say that the tropic should get you your 3oz or more by the specs.

Good Luck!

~lady
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Oh no! you did not offended me - im just a retard about building stuff, its really really bad! just kinda wanting to tell me a better box or maybe review the spec's and see if there is some kinda of unforeseen (by me) things that will trip me up and if you could how to fix them....

Like the lights... i just saw the lights on the side and want to know if you think they would burn the plant? or anything else you could think of why this box wouldnt work like they say it will lol.... if you guys think its great but just a crappy deal then im ok with that and should be ordering one soon!!

but if its just a crappy design then i would like to find a better one/upgrade or if i must build one fine... but i would much rather spend the money....
 
robbzilla

robbzilla

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sunsblood said:
I thought talking to you was research, thank you by the way! too many ppl just tell me to build it myself and i dont think that can work for me...

but lets look at this,
Tent $385.00
Lights $298.95
= 683.95 + shiping from 2 places
"other things" unkown maybe $200?
= $883.95

Tropic $699

why is yours better? bigger? you dont think that the Tropic by thestealhbox can produce 1/4 pound every other month? or you think that i need more room? i thought the plants i have been looking at should be small enough for the Tropic. is the lighting bad? do i just need to upgrade the light kit? please help me, i dont understand why i shouldnt just buy this pre-built thing... so far looks cheaper too....
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Not bigger, IMO I would say better. I mean just by looking at the stats yours says its only equal to a 250w HPS. Really a box can't tell you how much your going to harvest every month or anytime. It's dependent on how you grow your weed and how much care you put into it. Lights do play a big part, but they are not everything. Really with the set up I showed you, depending on how many plants your growing, you could go with a smaller watt light like 400w. I just don't trust LEDs at all. I mean they can put on their site whatever they want but I haven't met a really advanced grower that will tell you LEDs are good....
 
Bonzi Lighthouse

Bonzi Lighthouse

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Sorry but this is a rip off. The tent is too small and the lights are unproven. You would have better results with a $2 clf from wallmart and a card board box.

Read up, study learn and then come back here with a new set up.

IMHO anything that does not include a 400-600w HPS is a waste of money.

As others have said you can put together a monster set up for $1K.
 
Bigby

Bigby

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robbzilla said:
http://cheaphydroponics.com/store/grow-tents/the-homebox-xxl-portable-grow-tent/prod_495.html
http://www.htgsupply.com/growlights.asp?categoryID=1&subcategoryID=184&typeID=98
add fans/odor control
Co2 w/e
nutes, medium and pots/bags
easy

you should read a little bit or do some more research......
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Sounds like he's done loads and is coming on here to do more. Isnt that what this site if for?

From what I have found from my research on the subject, the secret jardin grow tents are the best in terms of build quality and efficiency. The size usually mentioned when discussing yields is a metre squared, with 500g per m2 being regarded as the holy grail in terms of what to strive for. It is also widely accepted that its gonna take a few grows in order to come close to growing the maximum amounts. Going on that rationale I would argue that you should go for more space than you feel you may need, certainly take any stated yields advertised by grow tent companies with a pinch of salt (they're trying to sell their product at the end of the day). So my suggestion would be to go for something around a metre squared with about 1.6 metre to 2 metre height. With regard to the 'tropic' set up you posted the link to, that states the 60 day yield as 1 - 2oz - which is clearly well below your stated need of a quarter pound a month (and that's what they consider to be the max, the chance of you achieving that in your first couple of grows is low). Sorry if this is telling you something you dont want to hear, but in order for you to achieve what you want I think you need to almost treble the size of the area you appear to currently be considering.

Hope that's useful. Im happy to answer any more questions you may have :-) :peace:
 
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sunsblood

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robbzilla said:
Not bigger, IMO I would say better. I mean just by looking at the stats yours says its only equal to a 250w HPS. Really a box can't tell you how much your going to harvest every month or anytime. It's dependent on how you grow your weed and how much care you put into it. Lights do play a big part, but they are not everything. Really with the set up I showed you, depending on how many plants your growing, you could go with a smaller watt light like 400w. I just don't trust LEDs at all. I mean they can put on their site whatever they want but I haven't met a really advanced grower that will tell you LEDs are good....
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Ya, I understand. What if i upgraded the lights to that 600 Watt Systems that "robbzilla" told me about?
 
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sunsblood

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Bigby said:
Sounds like he's done loads and is coming on here to do more. Isnt that what this site if for?

From what I have found from my research on the subject, the secret jardin grow tents are the best in terms of build quality and efficiency. The size usually mentioned when discussing yields is a metre squared, with 500g per m2 being regarded as the holy grail in terms of what to strive for. It is also widely accepted that its gonna take a few grows in order to come close to growing the maximum amounts. Going on that rationale I would argue that you should go for more space than you feel you may need, certainly take any stated yields advertised by grow tent companies with a pinch of salt (they're trying to sell their product at the end of the day). So my suggestion would be to go for something around a metre squared with about 1.6 metre to 2 metre height. With regard to the 'tropic' set up you posted the link to, that states the 60 day yield as 1 - 2oz - which is clearly well below your stated need of a quarter pound a month (and that's what they consider to be the max, the chance of you achieving that in your first couple of grows is low). Sorry if this is telling you something you dont want to hear, but in order for you to achieve what you want I think you need to almost treble the size of the area you appear to currently be considering.

Hope that's useful. Im happy to answer any more questions you may have :-) :peace:
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Oh Thank you so much! very very helpful! so let me get this straight bigger tent and better lights (not led) and then i should be better off? looking good, i might have to build it off a tent i get or something...
 
Bigby

Bigby

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I reckon a m2 tent and a 600w air cooled light (metal halide/high pressure sodium) would put you in a pretty good position to achieve what you're wanting.

Also, have you grown before? Because it might be better to start yourself off growing in soil. There are some very good ones out there. Starting off using hydro may prove a somewhat steep learning curve.
 
robbzilla

robbzilla

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Bigby said:
Sounds like he's done loads and is coming on here to do more. Isnt that what this site if for?

From what I have found from my research on the subject, the secret jardin grow tents are the best in terms of build quality and efficiency. The size usually mentioned when discussing yields is a metre squared, with 500g per m2 being regarded as the holy grail in terms of what to strive for. It is also widely accepted that its gonna take a few grows in order to come close to growing the maximum amounts. Going on that rationale I would argue that you should go for more space than you feel you may need, certainly take any stated yields advertised by grow tent companies with a pinch of salt (they're trying to sell their product at the end of the day). So my suggestion would be to go for something around a metre squared with about 1.6 metre to 2 metre height. With regard to the 'tropic' set up you posted the link to, that states the 60 day yield as 1 - 2oz - which is clearly well below your stated need of a quarter pound a month (and that's what they consider to be the max, the chance of you achieving that in your first couple of grows is low). Sorry if this is telling you something you dont want to hear, but in order for you to achieve what you want I think you need to almost treble the size of the area you appear to currently be considering.

Hope that's useful. Im happy to answer any more questions you may have :-) :peace:
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Really? Loads? Hmmm....I guess finding a poorly made prefabricated box is a load of research.

Edit: I don't think anyone is going to advocate LED lighting. It's just not proven enough. Your spending too much money on something that isn't worth it.
 
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sunsblood

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robbzilla said:
Really? Loads? Hmmm....I guess finding a poorly made prefabricated box is a load of research.

Edit: I don't think anyone is going to advocate LED lighting. It's just not proven enough. Your spending too much money on something that isn't worth it.
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Well most of my research was on growing the plant its self, now im talking to real growers not just someone trying to sell me some P.O.S. thing. A tent is workable i can add what i need to a tent with out cutting my hand off with some tool i have never used... needless to say i failed shop lol. so what sized tent dose one need? once i pay the money it will be done and i dont want to have to spend a ton to fix it plus i dont feel like buying 2... so if this one sucks you would think that not every one dose right? any others? or just build it out of parts from a tent?
 
Bigby

Bigby

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robbzilla's right, LED's are a false economy. Go go for the metal halide/hps option as you're defo concerned with yield.

The reports on secret jardin tents are good. Although I can personally testify as to the build quality. Maybe there might be a hydro shop in your local area that does grow tents, check out the build quality in there before you buy.
 
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alright i guess i just got to go with a tent and build up with parts. that's a shame that there isnt any good pre-built boxes.... but how big of a box for lets say 1/2 pound every other month? and if im going with a auto-flowering plant i dont need Metal Halide Bulb right? just the High pressure sodium lighting... right?
 
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