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Voting rights attorney: Trump is 'simply not eligible for the ballot in 2024’

14,699 views Aug 23, 2023 #Trump #Decision2024 #election
Voting rights attorney Mark Elias and Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson join Nicolle Wallace to discuss the legal arguments about whether Donald Trump should be barred from the presidency because of his actions on January 6th, 2021.
 
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This is not a criminal matter, it is a "disability." The civil courts are the place to deal with this via lawsuits, but not for money, the standards are different in civil matters than in criminal cases. OJ was found not guilty of murder, but liable for wrongful death in civil court.


Trump's potential DISQUALIFICATION from running in 2024 SURGES into national spotlight

717,200 views Aug 23, 2023 The Legal Breakdown with BTC & Glenn Kirschner
The Legal Breakdown episode 109: @GlennKirschner2 discusses the possibility that Trump will be disqualified from running for office because of the 14th amendment to the Constitution.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
This is not a criminal matter, it is a "disability." The civil courts are the place to deal with this via lawsuits, but not for money, the standards are different in civil matters than in criminal cases. OJ was found not guilty of murder, but liable for wrongful death in civil court.


Trump's potential DISQUALIFICATION from running in 2024 SURGES into national spotlight

717,200 views Aug 23, 2023 The Legal Breakdown with BTC & Glenn Kirschner
The Legal Breakdown episode 109: @GlennKirschner2 discusses the possibility that Trump will be disqualified from running for office because of the 14th amendment to the Constitution.
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I hope California is the first to disqualify him.
 
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topcat said:
I hope California is the first to disqualify him.
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I posted a video with the Michiagan secretary of state on the show, and she seemed ready and was having a conference with other swing states including Georgia about it. Raffensberger is secretary of state in Georgia, and he will be a witness against Trump during his trial, imagine Trump being kept off the ballot in Georgia! Who disqualifies him first depends on where he has to file papers to run first, who has the earliest deadline? Another question is can he be disqualified from the primary ballot or just the general election ballot. Primary ballots happen just after the new year and general election ones after the conventions, that is when they have to apply to run for the office, however being the party nominee is not a federal office.
 
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My reasoning is the nominee of the GOP is not a public office and therefore the 14th doesn't apply. However, where primaries are enshrined by law and are elected offices of a sort, it might vary. There will be no question when it comes to the general election but can only be actually enforced when Trump applies to run for office in the states as the party nominee, or as an independent. Some states don't have primaries they caucus, and political parties appear to be private institutions or associations to me.
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This is what you objected to and should does not seem like an edict but a probability. Ultimately it is up to the SCOTUS, if they will hear a case involving a primary process. I outlined the reasons they might not disqualify him from the primary, the nominee is not a public office, what basis in law would they use?

he should not be disqualified from running in the GOP primary
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Nomination is not an elected office at any level of government, therefore the 14th does not apply to candidates for nomination: there is nothing the clause has to say about the inner workings of a private organization.

the onus would be on the individual secretaries of state to deem TFFG disqualified. Might sound great…but could easily translate into the worst form of red/blue split - literally, red states against the blue states that stole his re-election *again*….

it would only take one state striking him from the ballot to block even the remote possibility of him achieving the requisite EC votes: he simply does not have enough brainwashed voters to win, and the loss of place in a single state would slam the door & nail it shut; if ALL the ‘blue states’ refuse Trump a place on the ballot, the Blue v Red war could result.

I’m very suspicious about this being dug out & fostered by the Federalist society: they are no friends of our fellow citizens in general. Without a determination of guilt in a court, it could open the door to the overthrow crew to refuse BIDEN and/or others a place on the ballot in red states based on their ‘deeply held religious convictions’…no need for evidence or trial - or even review.

Such an act - refusing to accept a candidate under the ‘no finding of guilt’ premise - would be a huge fucking gift to our very real domestic enemies, and could easily set us irrevocably on the path to billionaires’ outright OWNERSHIP of the USA.

WITH said finding, there is armor in place against willie-nillie discard of strong valid candidates because of spite BY EITHER SIDE
 
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Bagginski said:
the onus would be on the individual secretaries of state to deem TFFG disqualified. Might sound great…but could easily translate into the worst form of red/blue split - literally, red states against the blue states that stole his re-election *again*….
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Ya can't ignore the constitution or make exceptions for him, the courts will settle it, some secretaries of state will disqualify Trump from the general election ballot in their states and will be sued in civil court, likewise some will put him on the ballot and be sued to keep him off. Disqualification is a "disability", not a crime and in civil court a lower standard of proof is required. It is in no one person's hands but will be challenged one way or another in all 50 states and settled in a week by the SCOTUS. This time around I expect some congressional disqualifications too over J6, so expect some challenges to them being on the ballot.
 
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Conway: Trump's playing Russian roulette with the law

102,822 views Aug 24, 2023 #Trump #Indictment #Politics
Ahead of Trump's expected surrender at the Fulton County Jail Thursday night, Joe Scarborough and George Conway discuss the potential legal challenges former President Donald Trump faced. Despite Trump's history of avoiding legal consequences, will he be able to escape jail time with the multitude of charges and the mounting evidence against him?
 
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He's probably wrong, Donald's trial will be on HD TV nationwide and the look on his face when they convict him could be the picture people remember, either that or his sentencing. :lol: Or perhaps the look on his face as his cronies squeal their heads off on the stand in front of him. We can only hope he freaks out and tries crawling over the table in orange coveralls to get at the witness box. That would make the best picture, maybe the official presidential portrait, a photographic first!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1694444583952720294
 
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Fani to tell him to fuck off, politely?

Jim Jordan launches probe into Georgia Trump prosecution
House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) fired off a sweeping request for documents dealing with former President Trump’s prosecution for election interference in Georgia, asking Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) to turn over all records relating to the case.

Sent hours before Trump is expected to surrender at the Fulton County Jail, the letter cites “concerns about [Willis’s] motivation” in bringing the case and suggests her sprawling racketeering indictment against the former president and 18 others highlights “the threat that such state prosecutions can pose to the operations of the federal government.”

The letter also asked whether Willis at any point communicated with the team of special counsel Jack Smith, who earlier this month brought federal charges against Trump related to his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

The letter mirrors those the committee has sent related to other criminal cases against Trump and echoes the former president’s frequent complaints that all of the charges leveled against him are motivated by politics rather than any wrongdoing.

“The timing of this prosecution reinforces concerns about your motivation,” Jordan wrote.

“You did not bring charges until two-and-a-half years later, at a time when the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination is in full swing,” he continued. “Moreover, you have requested that the trial in this matter begin on March 4, 2024, the day before Super Tuesday and eight days before the Georgia presidential primary.”
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Jim Jordan launches probe into Georgia Trump prosecution

House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) fired off a sweeping request for documents dealing with former President Trump’s prosecution for election interference in Georgia, asking Fulton County …
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Trump replaces top attorney in Georgia case
Former President Trump is changing up his defense team in Georgia hours before he is expected to surrender to authorities on charges over his efforts to overturn the state’s 2020 election results.

Trump is bringing on Steven Sadow, an Atlanta-based defense attorney who has represented several high-profile clients in previous cases. Sadow will replace Drew Findling, who had been one of the top lawyers on Trump’s team in the Georgia case.

“I have been retained to represent President Trump in the Fulton County, Georgia case,” Sadow said in a statement that was first reported by CNN. “The president should never have been indicted. He is innocent of all the charges brought against him, we look forward to the case being dismissed or, if necessary, an unbiased, open minded jury finding the president not guilty.”

Sadow’s past clients include rapper Rick Ross, radio host Howard Stern, rapper Tyrone Griffin, also known as “Ty Dolla $ign,” and former NFL player Ray Lewis.

Trump was charged last week with 13 counts stemming from his efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia. The indictment, brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, outlined Trump’s pressure campaign against election officials, a plot to submit false slates of electors and a lawsuit seeking to overturn the results in the state.

The former president is likely to turn himself in Thursday evening, seeking to maximize attention around the proceedings.
The swap in Georgia is not the first time Trump has changed up his legal representation as he faces mounting charges. He has also been charged this year in Florida, New York and Washington, D.C.
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Trump replaces top attorney in Georgia case

Former President Trump is changing up his defense team in Georgia hours before he is expected to surrender to authorities on charges over his efforts to overturn the state’s 2020 election res…
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