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Darth Vapour

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Religion has run out of justifications. Thanks to the telescope and the microscope, it no longer offers an explanation of anything important. Where once it used to be able, by its total command of a worldview, to prevent the emergence of rivals, it can now only impede and retard—or try to turn back—the measurable advances that we have made.

Sometimes, true, it will artfully concede them. But this is to offer itself the choice between irrelevance and obstruction, impotence or outright reaction, and, given this choice, it is programmed to select the worse of the two.

Meanwhile, confronted with undreamed-of vistas inside our own evolving cortex, in the farthest reaches of the known universe, and in proteins and acids which constitute our nature, religion offers either annihilation in the name of god, or else the false promise that if we take a knife to our foreskins, or pray in the right direction, or ingest pieces of wafer, we shall be “saved.”
 

Darth Vapour

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Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody—not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms—had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance, and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion.
Sad but true
Can we not agree that religion is man made ?? or are so many blind there
Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did.
 

desert dude

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Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.



So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don't want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.



1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.


The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."


Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.



Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?



2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.


Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.



Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.



3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.



What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?



4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.



What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.



5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)



If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.



It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".



6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)



Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]



This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!



7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)



"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Once again God approves of forcible rape.



8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)



They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)



9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
I am no bible expert, but aren't those all quotes from the old testament?

If you want to make a point of condemning Christian beliefs, you should cite the new testament, i.e. the book that they follow.
 

desert dude

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You think Christians never murdered and raped their way across what is now the US?
When I am confronted by a large group of religiously inspired murderers, I prefer to deal with the present threat. It seems profoundly stupid to smirk that Christians crucified their way across the medieval world, while an Islam-spouting lunatic prepares to cut your head off in the 21st century, as if that somehow indicts present-day Christians. But, that's just me.

Please feel free to continue with your vapid equivocations, though. It is quite stylish on the left and probably serves you well.

This guy seems to claim that the old testament holds little force with Christian actions:
https://carm.org/why-do-christians-not-obey-old-testaments-commands-to-kill-homosexuals
 

OddBall1st

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Religion has run out of justifications. Thanks to the telescope and the microscope, it no longer offers an explanation of anything important. Where once it used to be able, by its total command of a worldview, to prevent the emergence of rivals, it can now only impede and retard—or try to turn back—the measurable advances that we have made.

Sometimes, true, it will artfully concede them. But this is to offer itself the choice between irrelevance and obstruction, impotence or outright reaction, and, given this choice, it is programmed to select the worse of the two.

Meanwhile, confronted with undreamed-of vistas inside our own evolving cortex, in the farthest reaches of the known universe, and in proteins and acids which constitute our nature, religion offers either annihilation in the name of god, or else the false promise that if we take a knife to our foreskins, or pray in the right direction, or ingest pieces of wafer, we shall be “saved.”

Important to Who ?

See, again you leave out things and the word is Russian.

You can go back as far as an imaginary explosion, I can go back to written, of the time, data,....Yours tell a story of an explosion of something reacting with something a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Mine tells a story of a god who came to Earth as the flesh he created and was killed so he no longer requires you but will take conditions.

The problem between me and you seems to be something, and I know what my something is from records and you do not even know what your at least two, something`s, are, let alone where it is still going, mine ends with death.

The problem solves it`self and where you reside, has nothing at all to do with it.

( and neither does Maple syrup.)
 

abandonconflict

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When I am confronted by a large group of religiously inspired murderers
You have never been. So the rest of your rant is really worthless. You made a stupid statement, got called on it's stupidity, then proceeded to make another one, officer. Now you're claiming that you are confronted by a large group of religiously inspired murderers, but that has never happened to you.
 

UncleBuck

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I am no bible expert, but aren't those all quotes from the old testament?

If you want to make a point of condemning Christian beliefs, you should cite the new testament, i.e. the book that they follow.
then where in the new testament does it teach you to hate blacks and gays?

it doesn't, so clearly you are just choosing what to believe, and most of it is coming from the old testament.

stupid fucking klanman.
 

UncleBuck

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When I am confronted by a large group of religiously inspired murderers, I prefer to deal with the present threat. It seems profoundly stupid to smirk that Christians crucified their way across the medieval world, while an Islam-spouting lunatic prepares to cut your head off in the 21st century, as if that somehow indicts present-day Christians. But, that's just me.
you must be ignoring the fat that we killed half a million innocent muslim civilians in iraq. so many that we bulldozed their bodies into piles and dumped them in shallow graves.

that happened within the last decade. show me the equivalent campaign of terror on the other side, skinhead.
 

Rob Roy

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you must be ignoring the fat that we killed half a million innocent muslim civilians in iraq. so many that we bulldozed their bodies into piles and dumped them in shallow graves.

that happened within the last decade. show me the equivalent campaign of terror on the other side, skinhead.

I appreciate your concern for the death of innocent people.

Why did you say "we" killed them though? I didn't kill them, did you? Why are you aligning yourself with murderers?
 

UncleBuck

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I appreciate your concern for the death of innocent people.

Why did you say "we" killed them though? I didn't kill them, did you? Why are you aligning yourself with murderers?
i believe you have a social security number, as do your children. that was your choice.

thus, the death of those innocent muslim civilians in iraq falls upon all of us.

if you are so concerned though, why did you not go over to iraq and fight on the iraqi side of the war? you could have saved innocent lives.
 

Darth Vapour

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Rob you supported the military to go there no ??? so there fore your also at fault
Same thing applies in syria presently Do you know what the americans are fighting for or supporting
So there fore your also at fault for this also your tax dollars were used to pay for this war therefore you are to blame :)
for everything think of it this way your taking one for the team hahaha
 

Rob Roy

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i believe you have a social security number, as do your children. that was your choice.

thus, the death of those innocent muslim civilians in iraq falls upon all of us.

if you are so concerned though, why did you not go over to iraq and fight on the iraqi side of the war? you could have saved innocent lives.

I'm not sure which of your stupid statements to address first.

On second thought... Would you be terribly unhappy if I just declared victory now, rather than go thru the formality of dismantling your flaccid assertions? I'm a little tired and you have to get up tomorrow to go butcher million dollar homes...or did you already get fired from that job for being a douche?
 

abandonconflict

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I'm not sure which of your stupid statements to address first.

On second thought... Would you be terribly unhappy if I just declared victory now, rather than go thru the formality of dismantling your flaccid assertions? I'm a little tired and you have to get up tomorrow to go butcher million dollar homes...or did you already get fired from that job for being a douche?
Deciphering...

"You win, I have no argument. My extreme right wing philosophy is based on a fallacy and I call it panarchy because anarchocapitalism is an oxymoron."
 

D528

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Raping young boys is a muslim thing only



Where were they instructed that they could do this ?
Thats why Rabbis and catholic priest are constantly getting busted for pediphelia. lmfao. Boy , welcome to the most msm xenophobe thread ever. sick how u.s. sheep think . yuck.Yet they call thierselfs secular . lol. Im outta this racits piece of shit thread. Hey this guy may no what oabama did to the constitution.lol.
D out
 
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