Unclebaldrick
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Who would you have voted for in 2016 if you were an American?
Trump's Lawyer Michael Cohen's Offices Raided
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rkymtnman
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monopoly implies one, not two.
greg nr
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Sarah Sanders says Trump ‘has the power’ to fire Mueller: The ‘attack on our country’ has ‘gone too far’
White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Tuesday insisted that the investigations into President Donald Trump’s campaign and acquaintances had “gone too far.”
During Tuesday’s White House briefing, ABC correspondent Jonathan Karl asked Sanders why the president had called a raid on his lawyer’s offices “an attack on our country.”
“In what way is an FBI raid on Michael Cohen’s office an attack on our country?” Karl queried.
Sanders implicitly defended the president by referring Karl back to Trump’s remarks.
“The president has been clear that he thinks this is gone too far,” Sanders stated. “Beyond that, I don’t have anything to add. But I’d refer you back to the president’s comments.”
“That amounts to an attack on our country?” Karl pressed.
“I don’t have anything to add,” Sanders replied dismissively.
Karl then wondered if Trump believed he has the power to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.
“He certainly believes he has the power to do so,” Sanders insisted.
White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Tuesday insisted that the investigations into President Donald Trump’s campaign and acquaintances had “gone too far.”
During Tuesday’s White House briefing, ABC correspondent Jonathan Karl asked Sanders why the president had called a raid on his lawyer’s offices “an attack on our country.”
“In what way is an FBI raid on Michael Cohen’s office an attack on our country?” Karl queried.
Sanders implicitly defended the president by referring Karl back to Trump’s remarks.
“The president has been clear that he thinks this is gone too far,” Sanders stated. “Beyond that, I don’t have anything to add. But I’d refer you back to the president’s comments.”
“That amounts to an attack on our country?” Karl pressed.
“I don’t have anything to add,” Sanders replied dismissively.
Karl then wondered if Trump believed he has the power to fire special counsel Robert Mueller.
“He certainly believes he has the power to do so,” Sanders insisted.
Fogdog
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Not all or nothing. Right and wrong is what I'm getting at. What were Republican promises? Better economy, more jobs, compassionate conservatism, less corruption. What did they deliver? More for the rich, less for everybody else. A declining economy, police actions against minority groups, the Muslim ban, more war, not less.
Civil rights are not negotiable either. GOP attacks on women's reproductive rights, GOP efforts to deter voters, the right to move about safely and freely to, from and within this country are all under attack. These can't be negotiated.
To say the two parties are the same is naive. By not voting for Clinton you supported Trump and all that he and his GOP government is doing.
Unclebaldrick
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somedude584
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Can you cite where the rich are getting "more"? The top 20% is paying 87% of the total income tax, you know.
Can you cite how our economy is declining?
Can you cite an uptick in police actions against minority groups during Trump?
Can you show me where there was ever a "Muslim ban"?
Can you point to a new conflict we are involved in since Trump was elected President?
Civil rights are not negotiable? Really? Because it seems as if plenty have been under both parties administrations.
Objectively speaking, you, yourself, are driven by emotions, opinions, and feeling, rather than guided by fact and logic. None of what you said is objectively true in any way, aside from perhaps the issue of reproductive rights which I, personally, remain undecided upon and don't feel particularly strongly one way or another, as I'm sure a lot of Americans feel as well.
If I voted for Clinton, I would have supported affronts on civil liberties just as if I had Trump. I voted for neither.
I'm pretty sure I educated at least one of you on how Nazi Germany came to be, but I'd suggest you go read up on it, as politically it was much the same as today's Left / Right mantra.
zeddd
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Why do you keep asking my opinion on tv shows when I have told you I don’t own a tv, 15 years of not knowing The Apprentice had cliff hangers, not caring either.
Are you a dumb blonde?
Fogdog
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I'm not going to educate you. You can educate yourself
I'll just pick one item: Trump inherited an expanding economy and his policies are recessionary as well as inflationary
Trade wars
Cutting taxes and offsetting them with debt
Shrinking the workforce by 5% with his policy to deport gainfully employed hard working people.
Cuts in education
Uncertainty created by his abysmal leadership.
All these actions are recessionary and inflationary. Trump's policies are bad for the economy. The stock market is tanking. The smart money says Trump's an economic idiot. Every economist says tariffs are harmful to an economy. The banking regulatory repeal, tax cuts and spending increases Republicans made last year are exactly what tanked the economy in 2008.
Puhleeze don't cite economic figures to justify Trump's abysmal policies. It only became Trump's economy at the end of January 2018.
Civil rights are not negotiable. They are rights.
LOL, you got to Nazis pretty fast. Pretty much means you don't have a leg to stand on.
I'm glad we can both be objective about how you are to blame for Trump.
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zeddd
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He boasted that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose voters. I won’t credit him with prescience but weird just got Trumper.
His voters won’t give a shit about a respected New York art dealer. If he raced monster trucks different story.
Low IQ,
No class
somedude584
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You are vastly overstating the impact he has had on the economy.
Civil rights are certainly negotiable, we saw that under Bush, and it was expanded under Obama. The justification was, give up your rights, we'll make you safer.
You are the one painting Trump out as totalitarian despot. The fact you think I "got to Nazis pretty fast" is indicative that you do not know what happened in the Wiemar Republic and the political atmosphere that allowed for a real totalitarian despot to take power. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't electing centrist politicians who best represented the majority of the country, it was electing far right and far left ideologues that acted much the same as many of our politicians today.
Fogdog
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Citing Trump's polices isn't "painting Trump as a despot". I cited his policies and YOU said despot.
As I said, you support Trump. Your knowledge of history is poor too.
Civil rights are not negotiable.
somedude584
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You keep saying that, but I bet you supported Obama, right? Please, elaborate as to how my knowledge of history is poor. I'd love to hear it!
zeddd
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Only historical reference is weimar republic but he calls it Wiemar, capitalising his mistake with confidence.
Fogdog
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The subject of our conversation is your support for Trump. Please explain what Obama has to do with this? Or fuckin Nazis?
Civil rights are not negotiable.
somedude584
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I don't support Trump.
Your claim that civil rights are not negotiable is negated by your support for past administrations that have trampled civil rights.
You made baseless assumptions about me, now I'm making them about you. You supported Obama, who perpetuated the biggest power grab by the executive branch in modern history. You're likely anti-gun, and would love to see constitutional rights curtailed.
See how assumptions work?
Fogdog
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By not voting for Clinton you supported his election. By defending his policies right here and right now, you are supporting Trump's administration. These are statements of fact and not assumptions.
Civil rights are not negotiable. Be specific when you talk about some belief you have about Obama depriving people of their rights. Also Nazis. What, who, when, how are the basis for rational discussion. Be rational and we might have a good discussion. Your sideways comments only make you look simple and dull.
I'm not anti-gun. I'm for a well regulated militia, just like it says in the constitution where the right to bear arms is codified.
Rights are rights and not to be negotiated. A woman's right to choose is just that and Republicans are trying to take that right away. There is a clear line between what Republicans stand for and what Democrats stand for.
Fogdog
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LOL
These nut jobs never get it right. He doesn't know how to spell because he get's his talking points on right wing radio. Do you have anything like what we have here? The talk radio jocks cover that air waves in rural US with total garbage. A few minutes of Rush Limbaugh is all one needs to hear to understand where that somedude sockpuppet is coming from.
zeddd
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I pay scant attention to uk political commentators, other than to note what sychophants they appear to be. You have real hate figures, we have damp squibs
Sour Wreck
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fuck that neanderthal !!!! her 15 mins is almost done
Triton186
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And I don't think they are looking for his daughter's lingere pix.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html
All the FBI removed was Cohen' stroke books he had stashed in the bathroom. Mueller needed some fresh material to keep masturbating in public media.