Trying out induction

captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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I've been following the inda-gro 660 led experiment and it gives me hope for my set up.
Inda-gro told me that their lamp was 4850k so I think I'm in the ball park with my set up.
My plants are looking very healthy and should start showing their sex by next week.
Maybe I'll be able to afford one of inda-gro's new hybrid lights next year.
I only have about $250 total in the 360 watts of induction for everything to put them together and hang them.
 
oceangreen

oceangreen

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cant see how you can ssay that you faster growth is because of the lights... more growth ok, but faster, dont htink so
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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oceangreen said:
cant see how you can ssay that you faster growth is because of the lights... more growth ok, but faster, dont htink so
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I'm not claiming anything. I'm only reporting what I see,from what I see of the pistils they where probably showing on day 5 but I didn't look at them that day.I checked back and it was day 7 on the last grow. It's to early to tell much of anything yet but it's the same soil,nutes and genetics.They're clone's of a sister clone of my last plants.
 
hyroot

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oceangreen said:
cant see how you can ssay that you faster growth is because of the lights... more growth ok, but faster, dont htink so
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Uhhhh thats a contradiction. More growth is faster growth. If your plant grows slow then there wouldn't be more growth
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Day 18 update and looking for some feedback on how they look and if I should adjust my spectrum? I have three 120 watt 5000k induction lights with 108 watts of T5 660nm and wondered if I could improve my ratio of 360 watts 5000k induction with 108 watts T5 660nm?I have 108 watts of T5 630nm I could add to the mix and thought about replacing one of the 5000k induction lights with the 108 watts of T5 630nm.Would 240 watts of 5000k induction with 108 watts of 660nm and 108 watts of 630nm be better than my current set up?I would like to keep my set up under 500 watts because it's a 2' x 4' cabinet.Pics are all the same flower of a blueberry skunk.
 

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chazbolin

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Do you have a PAR meter? You should be reading a minimum of 800uMoles at the canopy. 1/2 of that should be red between 600-700nm. They look healthy but you may end up needing more red/fr than you're getting. What are the brand lamps you're using to get the 630 and 660?
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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chazbolin said:
Do you have a PAR meter? You should be reading a minimum of 800uMoles at the canopy. 1/2 of that should be red between 600-700nm. They look healthy but you may end up needing more red/fr than you're getting. What are the brand lamps you're using to get the 630 and 660?
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Thanks for stopping in chaz.No meter here,shoestring budget.I have UVL Red Suns for 630nm and UVL 660's for the 660nm.
 

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chazbolin

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I'm not familiar with this line but in looking at the SDG I would be curious as to how the advertised 660nm is being emitted in the red spectrum's especially with the use of Manganese which represents a popular blend in the phosphors to achieve a broad 650nm emission and would usually show 7 distinct Gaussian peak forms to sustain stability. I'm not seeing those peaks in the spectral distribution graphs you provided or whats on the UVL site which is peaking at 633nm. http://uvlco.com/AquariumT5.html

Remember a mfg will produce these charts in relative intensity anyway. Even if the graphs are 100% accurate phosphors degrade from Hg absorption and spectral shift is inevitable. I believe the absolute best way to achieve long term 660nm stability will be with bin coded diodes that 1/2 peak at 650 and 670nm. If you're staying with this setup I'd assure the 660nm is getting to your plants with diodes. Maybe even side by side 660nm diodes vs the UVL lamps. My money will be on the diodes as a supplement to the 5000k which by itself doesn't do much north of 620nm.

my $.02
 
hyroot

hyroot

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^^^^^^^^^ The uvl 660 is not on their site. It was originally a custom t5 bulb made on request by par t5 crew. They will still make and.send them on request. I have the same spd. I saw same results from zoo med flora suns. Those are much cheaper
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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chazbolin said:
I'm not familiar with this line but in looking at the SDG I would be curious as to how the advertised 660nm is being emitted in the red spectrum's especially with the use of Manganese which represents a popular blend in the phosphors to achieve a broad 650nm emission and would usually show 7 distinct Gaussian peak forms to sustain stability. I'm not seeing those peaks in the spectral distribution graphs you provided or whats on the UVL site which is peaking at 633nm. http://uvlco.com/AquariumT5.html

Remember a mfg will produce these charts in relative intensity anyway. Even if the graphs are 100% accurate phosphors degrade from Hg absorption and spectral shift is inevitable. I believe the absolute best way to achieve long term 660nm stability will be with bin coded diodes that 1/2 peak at 650 and 670nm. If you're staying with this setup I'd assure the 660nm is getting to your plants with diodes. Maybe even side by side 660nm diodes vs the UVL lamps. My money will be on the diodes as a supplement to the 5000k which by itself doesn't do much north of 620nm.

my $.02
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Chaz,the UVL 660nm is not on the UVL site and you need to contact their sales staff to get them.I can't remember where I got the graph for it.It was either sent from UVL to someone that posted it here or someone here made it with their own meter and posted it.

I'm leaning towards using 240 watts 5000k induction with 108 watts T5 HO 630nm and 108 watts of T5 HO 660nm.
 
Friedrice

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chazbolin said:
I'm not really a NWO kinda guy but the benefit of having over a 1/2 decade behind me gives me some historical perspective to tap into.

On November 20th 2012 a world economic summit was held in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Titled the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership this summit developed strategies and agreements as to exactly how future world trade is going to be conducted between member nations.

With all the force, arm twisting and personal charisma that our president could muster, during meetings and speeches, President Obama agenda was to influence the exclusion of China from this members nations agreement. Not only was our president ultimately rebuked in that effort, it was the USA that was excluded from that agreement. It was determined amongst the Trans-Pacific member nations in attendance that, among other things which the US is falling short on ie innovation, exports, etc., the US dollar lacks the stability (gold went from $300/oz to $1,700/oz in 10 years) and foundational value to allow it to remain as the worlds reserve currency for international trade. It was agreed that the new standard reserve currency will be the Chinese Yuan Renminbi or CYR and not the US dollar.



The dollar's value in the Asian market will continue to fall as it's relevance to these member countries is less dependent on their exports to the US and the strength of our currency falls. Prices for Chinese manufactured goods will rise and quality will fall as our dollar means less and less to these countries economic success. The very countries in which we export our jobs and voraciously import their products.

In these volatile economic times the support of US manufacturers and those that supply them I would put at the top of our responsibilities as citizens. I will do everything within my limited universe to not support Chinese imports but with the Federal Reserve working overtime to print more paper (Quantitative Easing) can anyone really blame the member Asian nations to look for alternatives? What a fucking mess.

This is one sobering read that you won't likely catch from our media. Get through it and you'll see what I mean. From the 11-27-12 Asian Times: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NK27Dj02.html
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Although true, it may not be a bad thing. The US has gotten through times where the dollar is worthless. This is how we get out of debt. Buy on "credit" from other countries when the dollar is worth more. Then ruin the dollar and pay it off with money that's worthless so they can't do anything with it. Once this money is exported it creates dollar value here in the US. Immigration from these countries will be thinned out so they cannot come and spend the money we exported and are forced to trade it with their banks for their home currency. When exchanged the value of our dollar too them is worth very little and thus the cycle continues
 
captainmorgan

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Back home from about 2 1/2 weeks in the hospital and it's a slow recovery.Plants are a little rough,friend took care of them and over watered and under fed but I'm very grateful nun the less for my friend keeping them alive.Tonight was the first chance to use the flower initiator.Have about 12 days left and I'll try to post some pics if I'm up to it.
 
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