trying to understand vaping

My wife has cancer and she will be doing edibles and/or vaping. I will be enjoying too! I cannot understand how vaping gives a different high. THC IS the psycho active ingredient. I realize CBD has affects also and actually want high CBD strains overall. It would seem to someone like me who probably needs to learn, that combustion releases a few more chemicals which create a more intense/deeper high. I do not see how you can get around this. Vaping IS different because you are not releasing a certain chemical/s of which THC has can be released through combustion. Vaping is like a milder form of taking in THC. Ok, feel free to educate me.

I think most would agree a vape gives a different high, I find It lacking and not suitable for daily use. If I feel like being healthy I smoke some hash oil..there are many compounds affecting the high. terpenes play an equally important role as the cannabinoids in influencing effect. But many cannabinoids for example thcv, responsible for the sharp racy high of certain sativas boils at 428 degrees or so. As the product degrades it becomes more sedative and increasingly higher boiling points. Unlike the terpenes which volatize at about 75 degrees. All of the compounds are sensitive to heat and with such a variability in boiling points, I don't believe vaporizers to be an effective everyday method

@ScottNM: You are correct that vaporization lacks various chemicals and cannabinoids since there is no combustion. You DO vaporize most of the THC when your temps are high enough - for the most part, what you are missing out on are carcinogens which (for some) positively affect the high but (for all) negatively affect the body. Look up the respective boiling temps for THC (not thcv, I'm not sure why that was suggested), and CBD , and CBN; then find how those degrees correlate to your vaporizer. If you want a heady bowl, use a low setting, if you want a meaty-medicinal bowl raise the temps to the boiling temperature of CBD/CBN. Vapes give you ultimate control over your smoking experience and a much CLEANER/lighter high! ****I assumed you have a volcano, look into getting one if you're serious about vaping, best 420 investment I've made aside from grow equipment**** GL!

Thcv was suggested because like cbc it is one of the stronger influences on the high, like cbc. both boil at 428 or so.. there are many more compounds than thc cbd and cbn some drastically alter the high to make it foggy/hazey and dream like or racy sweaty palm heart pounding adrenaline rush or maybe your looking for a trippy strain.. you'll never get the most out of your weed vaping it...as I said hash oil is my healthy alternative

I haven't smoked in a few years, vaping and edibles is all I do now. I agree, the vaping high is a little different from the smoking high (from what I remember of it), but as far as I'm concerned, it's just as good if not better. (hey, I'm an old man, I like a good buzz, my days of crawling around on the floor, shitfaced & blind, are over ) With a good vape like the volcano (the one that uses a bag), you dial in different temps really easy. Temps on the volcano are fairly accurate when compared to some of the portable vapes. One good thing with the volcano is, when you vape around 415°F-420°F, temps that will vaporize CBC/CBD in addition to THC, you can set the bag down for 3 or 4 minutes and the temp of the vapor in the bag will drop to room temperature. So that makes it much easier on your lungs.

If you or your wife find that vaping just doesn't feel right, the edible high is similiar to the smoking high, it just harder at first to get the correct dosage.

ScottNM said:

My wife has cancer and she will be doing edibles and/or vaping. I will be enjoying too! I cannot understand how vaping gives a different high. THC IS the psycho active ingredient. I realize CBD has affects also and actually want high CBD strains overall. It would seem to someone like me who probably needs to learn, that combustion releases a few more chemicals which create a more intense/deeper high. I do not see how you can get around this. Vaping IS different because you are not releasing a certain chemical/s of which THC has can be released through combustion. Vaping is like a milder form of taking in THC. Ok, feel free to educate me.

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Say your strain has a 25% THC content...when you smoke a pipe gives you 50% of the thc in the plant... bong 60%... joint 75% volcano vaporizer 90%

I been vaping so long... when I smoke a bowl of weed it barely takes the edge off and tastes like smoke from bbq pit

Heres where its at now..... vaping concentrates..... vape pens and concentrates is the way of the future

I have a da buddah vaporizer I mostly use... I prefer whip style vapes. The high is cleaner/lighter and more intense. It is much more conservative and a small bowl goes a long way. The flavor is stronger and if you feel like shit the next day from smoking too much, a vape will eliminate that too. The duff and honey oil from the whip can be smoked and is much better than smoking resin. Sometimes I will go days only smoking my dbv... but I have bongs and shit too for when I feel like it and regularly swap between smoking devices.

If i could only smoke one way for the rest of my life it would be my dbv. Bong water filters out cannabinoids too, not just ash and tar. Glass pipes barely get me high and joints are just a fuckin waste of weed.

I had a vape once. It doesnt do it for me or others. Just end up smoking the leftovers. Good to know all these vape temps.

Clearly there are smarter people than I in this thread and I thank you for the additional knowledge on vaping temperatures. As I've mentioned in previous threads I've been vaping for over a year now, it is different and maybe doesn't have the same "hit by a truck" feeling that you would get from a giant milk bottle bong hit but I'm happy I don't have the non stop cough I used to have. The other day I was over at a friends place and we smoked a few joints and I have to say I don't miss the "cotton mouth" you get from blazing but to each his own, I'm a vaping advocate and suggest everyone give it a try.

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Thcv was suggested because like cbc it is one of the stronger influences on the high, like cbc. both boil at 428 or so.. there are many more compounds than thc cbd and cbn some drastically alter the high to make it foggy/hazey and dream like or racy sweaty palm heart pounding adrenaline rush or maybe your looking for a trippy strain.. you'll never get the most out of your weed vaping it...as I said hash oil is my healthy alternative

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yo qwizoking, interesting stuff. what do you think about using ecig-style vape pens on bho? do you think you get the range of sativa and indica type effects with it? i've been using one for about 4 weeks, and while i see a lot of variation dependent on the strain and my mood, it's rarely pure-sativa like (which i like on occasion).

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What sort of vaping method are you using? I find that the method by which you vape greatly affects the stone. For example, my experiences with herb in the VaporBros style whip attachment hot air vapes, the ones where you suck from a hose, provide comparatively aenemic vapour, and a stone that doesnt seem to last very long (compared to smoking herb), while a blown air bag filling vape (like the volcano) tends to provide thicker, milkier vapor (by virtue of the potentially very slow blowing action, slower than a human could be whilst inhaling), and a stone that is a bit harder hitting, but still seems to top out for me at ~20 minutes long. Vaporizing concentrates like BHO I find to be more of a "whole" feeling stoning experience that lasts much longer than smoking does for me and takes me much higher, bc if its done properly, a butane extraction can extract cannabinoids that are inside the plants cell walls making a vaporizable extract that is representative chemically of the whole plant, whereas the hot air style vapes only evaporate off the resin from the trichome glands outside of the plant, which is much proportionally lower than the whole herb in the secondary cannabinoids like CBD, CBN, THCV, and many more. This is important as many of the medicinal effects of the plant have been tied to these various "secondary cannabinoids", which for my use makes them the primary ones I am concerned about extracting! If you''re serious about health and vaping and want to go the BHO route, be sure to clean plate test your butane for purity, and use a dome pipe, concentrate bowl and wand, a fritted disc, or a ball pipe type setup - any of these use gentle indirect heat and provide for efficient vaporization. Avoid nails, ecig based "vape pens", hot knives, and skillets, as all of these expose your oil to red hot heat far above its combustion temp, meaning you burn quite a bit of oil with those methods, leaving you a bit better off than smoking herb but still generating soot and carcinogens and turning a 2 hour vapor stone into a regular old 40 minute smoking high. For in depth information on every method Ive mentioned and quite a bit more besides, check out the link in my sig. It also covers how to determine butane purity and several common pitfalls to be avoided by those first starting out on vaping. Best of luck!

Scott,
If your real big on getting the same effect as combustion one consideration might be to try vaping concentrates. I find it offers the best of both worlds. That is it allows you to get the benefits of smoking with the much less harsh feeling of vaping. My mother used to vape herb to both relieve pain and enable her to eat while undergoing treatment for breast cancer. Unfortunately, it was caught too late and had spread to her brain as well and high CBD strains helped her toward the end to stop seizures. (Without vaping she had no less than 5 seizures a day.) I also suggest you look into Rick Simpson oil if you haven't already.

Nice info in this thread. I'm using a da vinci. I havent tried vaping wax yet, the little hole at the bottom of the oil can looks like wax will leak out when hot and the da vinci unit itself is awkward to clean. Is anybody vaping wax in theirs without problems?

The problems are as you suspect: oil heats up and melts though the hole. The included oil concentrate can is stuffed with polyfil, which works great for eliquid, but just collapses under the weight of oil and clogs up. Protip: wad a bunch of metal mesh pipe screens into the empty solid concentrate can. This will give some th ing for the melted oil to soak into and keep it in the heating chamber. Eventually though it always melts through, creating a scorched mess that cannot be cleaned. Even though you have to jury rig it to work with oils (something it claims it does out of the box) , it is sadly the best electronic device on thr market for oils. For herbs, not so much- doesn't hold enough weed and the metal and hot plastic taste is atrocious. But for oils, well, everything on the market has both a hole at the bottom of the heating chamber and exposes the oil to a burning coil, whereas the davinci only has a hole on the bottom and it takes a few puffs for the oil to melt down into the burning coil and burn. Not great, which is why I use a small wand, a concentrate bowl and a jhook mouthpiece, and a pocket torch when I'm out and about. It all fits in a small pipe case, and gives a clean glass on glass vape with no scorch or waste. Seriously, I paid for a davinci when it was brand new, but never use it bc it really just sucks for oil. The new glass one will have the same problems- they put a hole in the bottom of thr heating chamber, for some silly reason (its bc the ecigs do, and for some reason all the personal vape makers just use ecig parts whenevrr possible - the "cans" from davinci are empty 510 atomizer shells, that's why they have) my advice, if you really need thr convenience of an electric vape, is to use herb. There are plenty of good models that vape herb without burning, but just nothing electric on the market works for oil without burning it.

Alot of interesting comments. I guess what I see has "medicating" consists more of indica type heavy body high that then leads to sleep. My wife takes ambien a few night a week to sleep. It seems like smoking gets your there easy but vaping does not. That is not medication, that is treating cancer side effects with a carcinogen. Edibles take too long and last too long. I am really challenged more by the whole "medicating" concept. If vaping worked it would make ALOT of sense. She does not need a "light" head high. She needs couchlock without carcingens and needs it to let her sleep within an hr or two.

My friend, you need to concentrate. It lets you vape effectively and hits you harder than smoking but doesn't last as long as edibles. If bho isn't for you, try making dry ice hash. Its fast, solvent free, and yields a vaporizable powder that is more pure than bubble hash but less so than bho. Be aware that that extraction process targets thc and leaves a lot behind. For maximum secondary cannabinoids and terpenes et al you need a solvent like butane to extract from within the cells themselves. I know this all sounds complex but its actually simply and quickly and safely accomplished at home, and frankly its worth the effort to cut carcinogens out completely. Check out the link in my sig for a full run down.