Ttystikk's vertical goodness

ttystikk said:

Last night was -5C already. Today's high? 3C. 12 possible by the weekend.

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Yeah....fuck that. I am a tiger not a penguin .

Was living here and working in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk Russia few years ago. Left here 30c landed there -15c. I dont mind stints of cold, but I surely am not living in it.

Though I gotta say I enjoy visits to colder places. Usually such breathtaking beauty.

Having held watts, watts per square foot, trellis size, plants and other parameters constant, what's left is to compare PPfd numbers. My best guess on my 860W CDM is around 400-450 average on the canopy, and there are some hot n cold spots.

By contrast, RIU's LED pros who came up with the COB and driver combo I'm using ran the numbers at 824PPfd, with ten percent off for scattering and wall losses figured in. Soooooo, basically double.

The heat, however, remains exactly the same; 4800W x 3.412 BTu/W =16,400 BTu/hr, about 1.4 Tons.

Vnsmkr said:

Yeah....fuck that. I am a tiger not a penguin .

Was living here and working in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk Russia few years ago. Left here 30c landed there -15c. I dont mind stints of cold, but I surely am not living in it.

Though I gotta say I enjoy visits to colder places. Usually such breathtaking beauty.

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Quite right! Hence my little patch of Vietnam in my basement! I used to call it Tahiti but alas, there's no beach...

Off subject but my wife asked me the other night why dont we move back that direction and I belly laughed hard for a good few minutes and then I put on a stone face and said 10 times in a row, " I will never move back there, never ever ever move back. Understand?" Then I said it again to make sure she didnt think I was fkn around. Life is much slower here and people have a strong connection. Was having a joint sitting on seawall yesterday and a western man and vn gf walked by and he looked away as he got near me whilst vn are walking by and riding by smiling at me?

By all means, come and visit Colorado! Then once you've had your fill of mountain vistas, world class recreation and beer brewing, smile in the knowledge that you'll be one of the few people going home to someplace BETTER.

Water cooled Air handler went in pretty easily. Need a proper three position switch to crank it up to full blast, so for now she's on medium, running nice n quiet.

ttystikk said:

By all means, come and visit Colorado! Then once you've had your fill of mountain vistas, world class recreation and beer brewing, smile in the knowledge that you'll be one of the few people going home to someplace BETTER.

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I would like to say I would do but to be honest I dont have the motivation to fly that direction much, its so far. I think it will be a few years before that direction again. You should plan a visit in the future this direction .

I am thinking my mountain views will be himalayas, upper India Nepal Tibet Bhutan. Colorado is awesome, I spent a bit of time around there working and for training.

Vnsmkr said:

I would like to say I would do but to be honest I dont have the motivation to fly that direction much, its so far. I think it will be a few years before that direction again. You should plan a visit in the future this direction .

I am thinking my mountain views will be himalayas, upper India Nepal Tibet Bhutan. Colorado is awesome, I spent a bit of time around there working and for training.

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I'm totally down for a trip to the top of the planet.

that bubble gum looks delicious!!!! your own line? whos breed? lovin it,,, keep it up bro...

TheChemist77 said:

that bubble gum looks delicious!!!! your own line? whos breed? lovin it,,, keep it up bro...

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Got it as a cut, it's the real thing; colas big as baseball bats- after they dry- and smell that makes you look for the cards.

Thanks, just trying to do it justice.

ttystikk said:

Got it as a cut, it's the real thing; colas big as baseball bats- after they dry- and smell that makes you look for the cards.

Thanks, just trying to do it justice.

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1st time I grew Durban Poison from marijuanaseeds.nl the colas were like that and it made you giggle, decent stuff. I tried some from Dutch Passion few years later and it blew. It was smokable but not much effect

im running th seeds bubble gum, it has the smell but loses some as it dries.. still really good, i planted 2 fem seeds they grew identicle in veg but in flower one seemed to like things better,, beautiful green leaves wile the other was yellowing and stayed shorter.. both had the gum smell.. i also ran serious seeds bubble gum, that one was more sativa it was taller and needed less veg time.. i thought it was a winner as the smell was perfect but once it dried it had no gum smell at all...id like to try crossing th seeds indica dom gum with the serious sativa dom gum and see how it turns out..have you ever had strains that change the smell entirely as they dry? i wonder why some do and some dont?

hey ty do you ever make S1's of your clones? if so, would you be interested in selling a few of your bubble gums?? id like to see how your gum would do in my grow...i had a friend who grows and i had given him some clones of misty wile he gave me a clone of his super chrystal..it was really amazing how diferently they wer wen harvested..we both grew in rock wool, both use the same nutes, i grew f&d wile he hand watered, i was useing a 400 mh in veg and 2 400 hps in flower wile he used 2 400 mh in veg and a 1k hps in flower on a light mover..i kept plants small 25 plants in a 4x4 table sog style, he had 40 plants around 5 ft tall in a 4x8 table but once dried, you would have never knew they wer the same strain.completely diferent in smell, taste, even crystalization....
sorry to ramble on your thred,, anways your grows look great as always!!!

i have more seeds than i could ever grow,, maybe we could trade some genetics if your interested...pm me to talk if ur interested to hash out details...

TheChemist77 said:

i have more seeds than i could ever grow,, maybe we could trade some genetics if your interested...pm me to talk if ur interested to hash out details...

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I'm a specialist. I specialize in finding ways to make better and more efficient environments and equipment for growing our favorite plants indoors.

The other side of this coin is that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to making seeds, doing any breeding or even popping beans; I have no place to deal with plants that aren't THE pheno I want, let alone males or unstable crosses that herm. There's a lot of great breeders out there, I'll never be one of them.

The way I handle this is to get cuts of proven winners and run them endlessly. This helps with my research because it eliminates a big variable when trying to determine if and how much a given alteration changes yields or quality.

Anyone who knows me personally knows I'm generous with my cuts- few people who want them walk away empty handed.

So i had to go back and catch up on the thread from the last time I was around here. Couple of questions. Did you ever get any final number on CMH vs HPS? Have you decided that inside the cage is better then the outside?
I have 8 20gallon no till pots finishing up cooking right now. I have a 600watt light from my bloom room. After going back and reading your thread im considering moving the 600 as my veg and throwing 2 1ks in my bloom room.
Also, when you move a plant from veg to bloom there is a 4x6 trellis moving with it? And if you do, does the plant hold the trellis well with out having to make a frame for it?

pop22 said:

Great thread!

Been following along and doing a lot of other reading. I want to do vertical for sure. however, I have a big investment ( for my budget ), in LED lights. And I really don't want to go back to HPS/MH. I've ordered some Cree CXA 3070 chips to build my first DIY led. So my dilemma is, to do three flats screens against the walls of the tent, ( 4'x4'x6.5' ), or try to build a light that would give similar coverage for a tower style screen. My thoughts on a DIY light for that style would be to build an octagonal frame and bolt the heatsinks to it, possibly make it rotate on center. I'm sure, given the right LEDs, driven to a high enough level, could equal the performance of HPS.

I may well start with a single flat screen and test my light, then grow from there.

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Your going to grow bud with a chandelier!! I want to see someone do this. Interesting

m4s73r said:

So i had to go back and catch up on the thread from the last time I was around here. Couple of questions. Did you ever get any final number on CMH vs HPS? Have you decided that inside the cage is better then the outside?
I have 8 20gallon no till pots finishing up cooking right now. I have a 600watt light from my bloom room. After going back and reading your thread im considering moving the 600 as my veg and throwing 2 1ks in my bloom room.
Also, when you move a plant from veg to bloom there is a 4x6 trellis moving with it? And if you do, does the plant hold the trellis well with out having to make a frame for it?

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Nothing makes the old prof happier than to see someone who's actually eager to learn something! So, thanks.

CDM vs HPS comparo is tough to do straight across because bulb wattage doesn't match up. I think it's pretty close to 85%, not counting ballast losses. I'm plugging one into a Kill-A-Watt today to see what it pulls from the wall all up. Plusses start with spectrum and plant vigor. Maybe it's just our eyes liking the lighting better. Don't look for THIS lamp to set the growing world on fire, unless they can come up with a digital square wave ballast that won't trash the bulb. I hear there's a company hand building ballasts for them in small quantities. Call Growers House and ask them...

Inside the cage WAY better. Use bigger holes, too. Two inches is too small.

If you wanna run vert, that sounds like a good plan.

It's not in veg but I do move the plants around on their trellis. All the vine clips and soft ties we use to train the plant do a great job of holding it in place. My trellis is made of fencing do it has done rigidity. Using soft ties to tie it to hooks in the ceiling keeps it in place along with clipping it to its neighbors.

I can see using HID/HPS inside the tower. But what about with LED? I suppose LEDs mounted between flat screens would be a way to maximize space efficiency. I've been thinking 3 flat screens mounted close to the 4x4 tent wall, one light per screen for my setup and still have enough room to work in there. your Your thoughts on this?

ttystikk said:

Nothing makes the old prof happier than to see someone who's actually eager to learn something! So, thanks.

CDM vs HPS comparo is tough to do straight across because bulb wattage doesn't match up. I think it's pretty close to 85%, not counting ballast losses. I'm plugging one into a Kill-A-Watt today to see what it pulls from the wall all up. Plusses start with spectrum and plant vigor. Maybe it's just our eyes liking the lighting better. Don't look for THIS lamp to set the growing world on fire, unless they can come up with a digital square wave ballast that won't trash the bulb. I hear there's a company hand building ballasts for them in small quantities. Call Growers House and ask them...

Inside the cage WAY better. Use bigger holes, too. Two inches is too small.

If you wanna run vert, that sounds like a good plan.

It's not in veg but I do move the plants around on their trellis. All the vine clips and soft ties we use to train the plant do a great job of holding it in place. My trellis is made of fencing do it has done rigidity. Using soft ties to tie it to hooks in the ceiling keeps it in place along with clipping it to its neighbors.

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I may try this on a very small scale. I need to see how to pass current to the light while its rotating. would prefer a brush-less setup.

SPLFreak808 said:

Your going to grow bud with a chandelier!! I want to see someone do this. Interesting

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pop22 said:

I can see using HID/HPS inside the tower. But what about with LED? I suppose LEDs mounted between flat screens would be a way to maximize space efficiency. I've been thinking 3 flat screens mounted close to the 4x4 tent wall, one light per screen for my setup and still have enough room to work in there. your Your thoughts on this?

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I see no reason why this wouldn't work just fine. I like the plan for access.