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ttystikk · Mar 18, 2016

a mongo frog said:
I don't think volume will beat quality when were talking about corporations vs home gardens. Its being done here in cali and B grade stuff just sits. Now technology yes for sure i see that happening, but prices are sky high right now medically. And the only way new school technology will beat old school technology is if some how prices drop. Just my thoughts though.

New school tech beats the old school stuff the minute the numbers make sense.

'Some how prices drop'... they're lower than ever and inexorably headed down.

Grade B stuff is a commodity grade, isn't it? So why isn't grade A also a commodity product? And, can't B be blasted or concentrated so its value is preserved?

No one is trying to kill all the home gardens, certainly not me. I'm trying to bring the overhead of indoor cultivation down, period. The stakes are much higher than spot pot prices.

bluntmassa1 · Mar 18, 2016

a mongo frog said:
I don't think volume will beat quality when were talking about corporations vs home gardens. Its being done here in cali and B grade stuff just sits. Now technology yes for sure i see that happening, but prices are sky high right now medically. And the only way new school technology will beat old school technology is if some how prices drop. Just my thoughts though.

I doubt it is impossible to have volume and quality. Not to mention that B grade does move everything out of CA is B grade in New England. :bigjoint:

a mongo frog · Mar 18, 2016

ttystikk said:
New school tech beats the old school stuff the minute the numbers make sense.

'Some how prices drop'... they're lower than ever and inexorably headed down.

Grade B stuff is a commodity grade, isn't it? So why isn't grade A also a commodity product? And, can't B be blasted or concentrated so its value is preserved?

No one is trying to kill all the home gardens, certainly not me. I'm trying to bring the overhead of indoor cultivation down, period. The stakes are much higher than spot pot prices.

What is spot pot prices?

Vnsmkr · Mar 18, 2016

ttystikk said:
New school tech beats the old school stuff the minute the numbers make sense.

'Some how prices drop'... they're lower than ever and inexorably headed down.

Grade B stuff is a commodity grade, isn't it? So why isn't grade A also a commodity product? And, can't B be blasted or concentrated so its value is preserved?

No one is trying to kill all the home gardens, certainly not me. I'm trying to bring the overhead of indoor cultivation down, period. The stakes are much higher than spot pot prices.

^YES

ttystikk · Mar 18, 2016

a mongo frog said:
What is spot pot prices?

What the stakes are higher than;

Sooner or later, humanity is going to be faced with the choice of eating out of a box or starving. I'm trying to make sure we get to make that choice at all.

ttystikk · Mar 18, 2016

bluntmassa1 said:
I doubt it is impossible to have volume and quality. Not to mention that B grade does move everything out of CA is B grade in New England.

...with no stops in Colorado cuz we won't abide that schwag, lol

Of course it's possible to improve both quality and volume simultaneously, and again, it's INEVITABLE. I'll do it or someone else will. The customer will demand it.

Can only soak up so much cali B grade in hash and brownies, after all...

a mongo frog · Mar 18, 2016

ttystikk said:
...with no stops in Colorado cuz we won't abide that schwag, lol

Of course it's possible to improve both quality and volume simultaneously, and again, it's INEVITABLE. I'll do it or someone else will. The customer will demand it.

Can only soak up so much cali B grade in hash and brownies, after all...

The costumer is already demanding A grade and has been. The sales pitch is obviously being had in i guess New England as was said in the other post. The oldest trick in the book is to tell people this is "Cali" bud. Any yes a vast majority of Colorado legal rec smoke is weak sauce and same with washington state. The med gardeners are holding it down i guarantee it. I mean its all over the tv every other cannabis show is about the recreational industry. There shits weak. Even members here won't go near that shit. and not even for 120 a zip.

ttystikk · Mar 18, 2016

a mongo frog said:
The costumer is already demanding A grade and has been. The sales pitch is obviously being had in i guess New England as was said in the other post. The oldest trick in the book is to tell people this is "Cali" bud. Any yes a vast majority of Colorado legal rec smoke is weak sauce and same with washington state. The med gardeners are holding it down i guarantee it. I mean its all over the tv every other cannabis show is about the recreational industry. There shits weak. Even members here won't go near that shit. and not even for 120 a zip.

Rec is where Colorado B grade goes, right before it goes to Kansas, Wyoming, Nebraska... it's going to be that way until more states are legal than not, at which point the arbitrage trade will dry up and the price crunch will be on in earnest.

Vnsmkr · Mar 18, 2016

ttystikk said:
Rec is where Colorado B grade goes, right before it goes to Kansas, Wyoming, Nebraska... it's going to be that way until more states are legal than not, at which point the arbitrage trade will dry up and the price crunch will be on in earnest.

I know and realize that money dictates most all, but cant understand why its so hard to have nothing but solid A grade, organically, or at least semi organically grown weed whether indoor, greenhouse, or outdoor. Its not hard to produce A grade weed simply with minimal inputs but water and sun (light).

a mongo frog · Mar 18, 2016

Vnsmkr said:
I know and realize that money dictates most all, but cant understand why its so hard to have nothing but solid A grade, organically, or at least semi organically grown weed whether indoor, greenhouse, or outdoor. Its not hard to produce A grade weed simply with minimal inputs but water and sun (light).

Because people don't put in the time and effort it takes i believe. And the finishing part of the game is where most A grade turns into B really fast. If one has a decent size garden and grew some beautiful lush green plants and they don't know how to finish its game over. What was so easy to water and watch grow becomes a disaster when it comes time to finish (Chop, hang, dry and cure). Happens all the time and people drop out.

ttystikk · Mar 18, 2016

Vnsmkr said:
I know and realize that money dictates most all, but cant understand why its so hard to have nothing but solid A grade, organically, or at least semi organically grown weed whether indoor, greenhouse, or outdoor. Its not hard to produce A grade weed simply with minimal inputs but water and sun (light).

What mongo just said, plus it's impossible to produce a uniformly high quality of a natural product. You can and certainly should endeavor to grow the best you can, but not all of it will come out that way despite best efforts.

In a production situation, some is A, some is B, the rest goes into the hash bin or the trash can.

Turns out that growing isn't easy, and growing fire is pretty tough. Growing fire consistently is a pro's game for sure, and even then shit happens.

Vnsmkr · Mar 18, 2016

I agree with you both. You get out what you put in. And it helps to start with quality genetics too then its easier.

ttystikk · Mar 18, 2016

Vnsmkr said:
I agree with you both. You get out what you put in. And it helps to start with quality genetics too then its easier.

Legal weed means that you must have the best of everything to compete. Great seeds is only the beginning; every major dispensary has a breeding program. They do several jobs including getting and proving new strains, pheno hunting the best of the best from other breeders and then of course running their own breeding programs, some of which can be pretty impressive.

newgrower89 · Mar 19, 2016

ttystikk said:
Some of them do produce the fire already. Others are learning how to maximize profit the old fashioned way, thru volume. All avenues are being tried, and customers are rapidly getting used to a new landscape of choices. No one, not even they, know what will be available or popular two, five and certainly not ten years from now.

In addition, improvements will keep coming to the growing space. Those who cling to old ideas and approaches will eventually get crushed by others who invest in technology early and reap the rewards.

Can you hear that? Its money flowing through pipes.... Lol

newgrower89 · Mar 19, 2016

I agree that

ttystikk said:
...with no stops in Colorado cuz we won't abide that schwag, lol

Of course it's possible to improve both quality and volume simultaneously, and again, it's INEVITABLE. I'll do it or someone else will. The customer will demand it.

Can only soak up so much cali B grade in hash and brownies, after all...

I agree that as a whole Colorado's weed is better than Cali's. I think high times said we had 7 out of the 10 most potent strains tested. But I am truly sick of the Cali Colorado argument. You can grow bomb weed anywhere! I'm sure there's some shit growing in every RED zero tolerance state that is the best of the best. That being said. I'll definitely stay here in paradise.. Fuck Cali weed lol

pop22 · Mar 19, 2016

blame 90 years of government propaganda for their believes........... Maybe you could get them to watch Run From The Cure

ttystikk said:
My father's wife has MS. They live in KS and a much as they used to enjoy the weed in their younger days, they're both right wing nuts who look down on it now. Makes me sad.

pop22 · Mar 19, 2016

Its organized religion that should be against the law....... Believe in god is one thing, all the bullshit spread by the books used in organized religion is whats criminal!

And as they say, you can pick your own poison!

ttystikk said:
It's frightening how well you're describing my father. He became catholic later in life, because his wife's family is catholic. Them he wants me to just put it on like a suit of clothes, like he apparently did.

...WTF?

pop22 · Mar 19, 2016

I'm from that generation. I was smart enough to keep the weed and avoid the religion like the plague!

ttystikk said:
They were both flower children in the 60s, free love is how I came to be lol

pop22 · Mar 19, 2016

Now that's the best statement I've read in a forum yet!

ttystikk said:
Some of them do produce the fire already. Others are learning how to maximize profit the old fashioned way, thru volume. All avenues are being tried, and customers are rapidly getting used to a new landscape of choices. No one, not even they, know what will be available or popular two, five and certainly not ten years from now.

In addition, improvements will keep coming to the growing space. Those who cling to old ideas and approaches will eventually get crushed by others who invest in technology early and reap the rewards.

OLD MOTHER SATIVA · Mar 19, 2016

how about some cobbing photo's?

and religion is ok until man gets ahold of it

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