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OneHitDone

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Not sure if I mentioned it here yet, but I'm seriously considering a switch to coco.

I swapped out a leaking tub yesterday and today my floor is a half inch deep in res water again. I've fucking had it with rdwc.
I keep having this argument with myself. I love coco but just can't seem to get the plants in to gear as fast as with hydro.
For veg, a dwc clone next to a coco clone still just blows my mind how much faster and more predictably I can grow a plant in a set time.
Maybe a hardware upgrade to some better/more leak proof components would remedy your dwc woes?
 

ttystikk

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The funniest thing to us COB LED converts is when someone uses the electric bill to justify/indict the decision to switch. Why, you might ask?

COB LED runs cooler, saving both on power bills and helping to improve the quality of the product. Running cooler also saves on HVAC investment, maintenance and especially operating costs.

Better spectrum helps vigor, health, growth, terpenes and makes them look darn nice in the grow. Seriously.

No bulb replacement. Again, look past the basic costs of the biannual ritual of bulb replacement to realize that lumen/PAR depreciation doesn't just happen at the end of this interval, BOTH spectrum AND PAR/Watt efficiency suffer the effects of aging cumulatively, starting the very first time the lamp is struck. In other words, the only time the lamp actually delivers its rated output is during your very first day cycle. It's alllllllllll downhill from there. How much do you think a cumulative 15% less light costs YOU in terms of yield?

Then, there's the maintenance labor aspect itself; replacing bulbs is a bitch. And even dangerous, depending on where those lamps are and whether any get dropped.

Dropped HID?! INSTANT HAZMAT SITE! EVERY HID has mercury in it, so if you smash one, you've just coated the whole area in mercury dust- or vapor if it was running. Mercury very bad, just saying.

Power problems? COB LED don't care. But HID lamps must have a cooling off period, almost none of them will hot restrike.

So yeah, you'll save some on your power bill- but those savings will be dwarfed by the combination of even larger savings outlined above and in increased yields and quality.

I predict that in 5 years, only die hard Luddites will be clinging to their light bulbs, and they'll be finding lamp replacements to be a daunting challenge. This trend will be accelerated by the public perception of the indoor grow industry's wasteful habits, power company's desires to reduce demand and general environmentalism.
 

m4s73r

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I agree fully. Technology will win out always. And as LED become more and more sought after it will become more and more affordable. The days of $2300 panels will come to a end. Or become bigger fixtures. Even in the last several years on here watching the led forums and how the tech has moved along is proof enough.

I just purchased 2 1k vert setups and only spent $450. 2 bulbs 2 ballast 2 sockets. And im 200 bucks in for my 8" exhaust system. So for right now, HID rules in bang for your buck in the here and now. But even I fully plan on stashing some cash aside for a couple of year and going to a led system. Ill watch your shenanigans in the mean time Ttystikk.
 

m4s73r

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I'm about to find out.
Moving to Coco? Did I miss something while i was gone? I may have to go back and read a few pages. Give organics a look man. I just water the pots. As soon as they bloom out and get chopped, Theyll get a couple cups of amendments, all the leaves will be put on the top of the pot, fresh clover layed in, and theyll sit for 3 weeks while the clones take off.
 

ttystikk

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I agree fully. Technology will win out always. And as LED become more and more sought after it will become more and more affordable. The days of $2300 panels will come to a end. Or become bigger fixtures. Even in the last several years on here watching the led forums and how the tech has moved along is proof enough.

I just purchased 2 1k vert setups and only spent $450. 2 bulbs 2 ballast 2 sockets. And im 200 bucks in for my 8" exhaust system. So for right now, HID rules in bang for your buck in the here and now. But even I fully plan on stashing some cash aside for a couple of year and going to a led system. Ill watch your shenanigans in the mean time Ttystikk.
Shenanigans are what I do best!
 

ttystikk

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Moving to Coco? Did I miss something while i was gone? I may have to go back and read a few pages. Give organics a look man. I just water the pots. As soon as they bloom out and get chopped, Theyll get a couple cups of amendments, all the leaves will be put on the top of the pot, fresh clover layed in, and theyll sit for 3 weeks while the clones take off.
I'm doing a coco DTW setup just like the commercial facility I'm cribbing the whole system from. I'm going to slavishly copy the whole thing, run it until I'm getting the results they do, then set about my usual program of ripping it to shreds in order to find ways to improve it.
 

m4s73r

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I think im going to crowd the shit out of my silo. Did you see those things? They should have been moved 3 weeks ago lmao. Going to have to do some major trimming.
 

SomeGuy

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Ty. I'm having quite a bit more roots in the rez of my sips than I expected. Might be worth looking at for you. I'm figuring I'm good as long as roots stay healthy. They are white as can be but getting massive. Lol. It's just water in the rez but they have started drinking tons. Growth rate is like hydro from what I can remember but all the nutrients are coming from the soil. I just plucked a leaf almost as big as an 8.5x11
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garlictrain

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hey brother good thread!

i find most folks veg too long. soil or coco its strain dependent. jetfuelog triples+ as in 1 foot to 4 feet in 2 weeks.

i can't touch your cooling brain. i'm running wallbangers, ac/co2 burners and killing it. watching always for good advice.

you gave me some btw, 2.5, 2, 2... 5-11-26, calnitrate, epsoma.

i went from hempy 5 gals to hempy 2 gals coco dtw.

from 2 plants per 1k to 4-8/ 1k, 2lb+ per k.
 

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ttystikk

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Ty. I'm having quite a bit more roots in the rez of my sips than I expected. Might be worth looking at for you. I'm figuring I'm good as long as roots stay healthy. They are white as can be but getting massive. Lol. It's just water in the rez but they have started drinking tons. Growth rate is like hydro from what I can remember but all the nutrients are coming from the soil. I just plucked a leaf almost as big as an 8.5x11
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SIPS? Not familiar with this acronym?
 
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