Turmel's Godstars

Bump.... Has anyone heard if phelan is going to dismiss the goldstars due to the bs the crown has brought forth about prostiutes uniting.... While not even making a plea of guilt or innocence......

No new emails. I'm sure it will drag on past august and the release of the new regs. Goldstars claims imo will look more reasonable at that time.

John has put up a new kit for those of us who use oil and or juice. i use the oil a lot as does my wife. it's another $2 filing fee and you can do it online!
lets flood them and maybe they'll take notice!

http://johnturmel.com/juiceoil.docx

JCT: The government intention was stated with the MMPR, to
shut down self-grow operations to augment the viability of
the MMPR, same reason Judge Manson gave for cutting half of
the self-grower licenses. Aw, with all the hoopla of Manson
extending all grow permits (expired or not) grandfathered
back to 2013, it's never mentioned how he did not extend all
possess permits but only those not expired thus cutting off
half a year's renewals. So much cheering in the press about
"All grow permits extended)" and the Left-Outs without
Possess Permits remaining unnoticed.

When the MMPR was struck down in Allard demanding self-
grower concerns be addressed, did you really think they had
given up on the original intention? Back in the early days,
the new Health Canada examiners of applications were the
pharmacists from the narc squad. Don't think the Narcs don't
still rule. We see today's headlines:
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/07/04/ottawa-might-try-to-prohibit-homegrown-pot.html

Ottawa might try to prohibit homegrown pot
(SEAN KILPATRICK / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberal government warns
legalized recreational marijuana will be a strictly controlled
substance - so much so that even homegrown weed may be
prohibited.

Bill Blair, parliamentary secretary to the minister of
justice, noted "the science is overwhelmingly clear that
marijuana is not a benign substance."

JCT: Best part being based on a completely provable lie.

He said that's why Ottawa will be "ensuring that an effective
and comprehensive regulatory framework is put in place to
control the production, distribution, and the consumption of
marijuana."

JCT: And how long do you expect it to take for them to be able
to provide juice?

By ROBERT BENZIE Queen's Park Bureau Chief
Mon., July 4, 2016

Federal Health Minister Jane Philpott said the government is
"taking a public health approach to the matter of the
legalization and regulation of marijuana," treating it like
tobacco.

JCT: Proof they're treating a no-danger like a dangerous
substance.

But in Ontario - despite strong anti-smoking laws - growing
tobacco for personal consumption is allowed.

JCT: Bingo, great precedent.

That raises questions about the efficacy of banning Canadians
from cultivating marijuana at home for recreational use once
it is legalized next year.

Kyle Bell, a medicinal cannabis advocate, said Monday that
there is mounting concern that the federal Liberals may not
allow anyone - even medical marijuana patients - to grow their
own.

Bell noted Ottawa has until Aug. 24 to address a Federal Court
ruling in B.C. that it's unconstitutional to stop patients
from growing cannabis and forcing them to buy it from Health
Canada-licensed producers.

"They're being very heavy-handed with it," he said of the
federal government's moves.
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JCT: Of course they're being heavy-handed because they're
staying with their original intention. So don't expect the Aug
24 Medical Marijuana New Regulations ("MMNR") to be a
wonderful solution. Consider the Narcs who are writing it,
again.
The Narcs wrote the 2001 MMAR declared absent by malfunction in
2003 Hitzig.
The Narcs wrote the 2003 fix that was then declared absent by
malfunction in 2008 Sfetkopoulos.
The Narcs wrote the Sfet fix that was then declared absent by
malfunction in 201? Beren.
The Narcs wrote the Beren fix but the MMAR was yet again declared
absent by malfunction in Smith.
The Narcs wrote the MMPR that was declared absent by complete
malfunction in Allard.
And it's the same guys writing the new Regs.
Har har har. And someone expects a different result?

But I expect never-ending attack on self-grows with the final
as with the original intention. As you fought their
MMPR attack on self-grows in Allard, get ready to face their
MMNR attack as stated above.

I'd wondered how they were going to pursue that agenda in
their MMNR would be to say it'll take not the usual 10 weeks
to process the new hundreds of applications they used to
process but it will take 10 months to process the old
thousands who now want back in.

Or put in stringent production conditions, necessary testing
of product, even labelling, ban outdoor-grow, whatever they
can do to make it expensive for everyone but the rich.

The Narcs have their shills at all levels of government
following the party line. Shutting down dispensaries at the
local level when trafficking to the patients in the
streets didn't cause all that much bother they should
complain, is another prime example of the resistance from the
establishment who want the monopoly on production and
distribution.

Yes, kiddies, get ready to defend against their next attack.
Yes, get ready to defend. What else can you do? The Narcs
intend to shut down private grows. What else can you do?

So it's us against the Narcs and they've put us on Defence
again. Of course, I have been developing an offensive move on
the quiet burner until something like today's news could scare
you with a jolt of reality. No matter how many kids puff at
pot parties in the open demonstrations, the Barneys can still
keep busting anyone they want to keep the courts busy.

So rather than defence, time to go on offence. Forget waiting
for the Trudeau fix. He promised us our dream. It wasn't
Truethough. He's a Reneger. We should honor the people who got
busted after Justin got in as Trudeau's Renegees! He's the
Reneger of his promise and they're the victim renegees of his
reneged promise.

This is therefore the ideal opportunity for a massive show of
strength. Back in 2014, it took months to get the word out to
over 300 "Gold Star" Plaintiffs for Repeal or Exemptions. The
Crown labelled the April 29 Big Event videotelecast in 12
courtrooms in 10 provinces as "unprecedented,"
"remarkable" and "extraordinary" three times. The Crown and
the Registry were mightily taxed by only hundreds of self-
represented plaintiffs using the same forms.

So the stake through the heart happens to be pioneered by
Raymond Lee Hathaway. His statement of claim for repeal
because he can't get fresh juice or oil products got past
Phelan who couldn't use the Gold Star automatic stay on him.

So Lee has sapped the court's defences and now it's up to
everyone with a permit but who wants fresh juice or oil
products to join him in his $2 quest for complete repeal or
exemptions for provisioners. That's everyone in the chain of
production who's protected.

http://johnturmel.com/hathaway has 4-page Statement of Claim
with instructions.

So this is our chance to flood the Registry with possibly
60,000 to 120,000 (I've heard both) current exemptees and
every new one who gets a permit in the future.

The big difference now is that back in 2014, the Gold Star
bandwagon started small, people telling friends. Now every
dispensary has a large databases of known permit holders!

Since the purpose is to get exemptions for the dispensaries, I
hope they'll see the advantage of signing their patients up to
the $2 online protest for Juice and Oil or Repeal. Can you imagine
how this would paralyze the Justice system if a first
dispensary, then a second, then another and another sign up
all their patients demanding fresh juice and oil products.

If we semi-paralyzed them with 300 Gold Stars last time in a
couple of months, given they deal with about 3,000 cases a
year, it could be possible for the marijuana community to give
them a couple of decades of work in just a few weeks.

Right now, I expect every Gold Star to sign on for their
second Gold Star: Repeal over Supply and Repeal over No Juice-
Oil.

The Power Card is "No Fresh juice." LPs can import pot to
provide oil but can't provide fresh juice at all without local
growers. So claiming the non-high juice is the winningest
card. They have no alternative but repeal or exemption
immediately.

You've seen how fast we can get through the courts when not
stalled and how I Keep It Super Simple, usually to the one or
two winning trump. But Juice-Oil is not only the winning vital
argument which judges can "fail to see" as often as they close
their eyes. The real winning power here is once again what
freaked both the Crown and Registry last time, the volume.

Let's say 200 of the 300 Gold Stars did file their Statements
of Claim online last time. It should be easy to do it again.
But now, knowing so many other legal users, actually get them
filed online. Just add their info to the form, take a picture
of their signature and insert, save to PDF and take 3 minutes
to upload it to the Court computer. A dispensary could sign up
every patient who walks in.

For any who can't use computers that well, email me an image
of your signature and I'll file it for you. Anyone can file it
for you, you just pay the $2.

That means if you learn how to do the online filing with your
Ipad, or if your friends send you their signature, you can get
their Statement of Claim filed. Then they handle the call for
the $2 payment.

I'm contacting every Gold Star and expect them to take the 10
minutes to get in on the kill. And pleading that pushing your
dispensaries to sign up tens of thousands of patients
demanding fresh juice to swamp the Crown and Registry is the
winning move.

With the aid of dispensaries, this Claim for Juice-Oil will
cripple the government's attempt to shut down self-grows. And
even a self-grower shouldn't have to process oil himself.
Don't carp about having to make your own juice though.

Besides, someday, someone may ask why you didn't claim for
Juice and Oil with the smart ones.

So the kit and all info to start their documentary nightmare
are at http://johnturmel.com/juiceoil

This one I need others to pass along to other groups. I got
banned last time, this one has to get out, so I need help.
Share this everywhere.

On Monday, I filed Sharon Misener, Ron and Linda Yule. So
there are now 4 on Hathaway's Juice-Oil bandwagon. Hope the
dispensaries can give us a hand getting them exemptions to
provision us. Might not be such a tough sell.

Done and I helped another older computer iliterate person so two down many thousand left to file fuck the man the people are taking back our rights

I believe Conroy or kirk said they will go for another injunction if his plaintiff's don't have at least there original plant counts. I think that's were this gets sticky and Conroy made it so only the 4 plaintiffs can appeal.

Seriously disappointed canadian.

Yep everyone is left out in the next injuctuon other than the four original plaintiffs in Allard. That's why everyone needs to file a goldstars claim

bigmanc said:

I believe Conroy or kirk said they will go for another injunction if his plaintiff's don't have at least there original plant counts. I think that's were this gets sticky and Conroy made it so only the 4 plaintiffs can appeal.

Seriously disappointed canadian.

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Nope. Conroy didn't create our legal system, which dictates what the appeal process is like. This case has always been about representative plaintiffs.

So roughly what happens is they release the amendments, Conroy and the team review and see if they feel it is compliant with Allard.

If so, party time and everything's great. If not, then it's case #2 time. Conroy & co will likely move to get a speedy injunction filed, and begin working on the follow up case. They may choose the same plaintiffs, they may choose different ones. I'd bet on the latter as the grounds for their statement of claim will be very different than the original case. When Conroy / Tousaw mentioned the injunction may continue they are referring to the terms of the injunction, the court will be more likely to continue an injunction that has already been in place than to expand, but anything's possible.

I'm honestly a little surprised as to where this perception that the injunction will continue with only 4 people included comes from, the very text of the injunction specifies that it covers everyone similarly situated. The court would literally have to go out of its way to write a new injunction that limits the interlocutory relief to 4 people. Not how it works. You can look to assisted dying again, the new constitutional challenge is not based around Carter, but a new plaintiff. And the statement of claim is focused in around the contentions 'death being reasonably foreseeable' stipulation that the liberals put in, which was not included in the Carter decision.

The appeal period for Allard v Canada is done, so there's no appealing that case. The new case will be against the text of the amended MMPR, likely filed in Federal Court, and whatever representative plaintiff they choose as the 'lead' will then result in the name of the case. So if it was me, JungleStrikeGuy et al v Canada.

Filing a gold star claim is not a bad idea just on the principle of attacking on all fronts, but there was never any chance of 'grandfathering' only a select group. This is a constitutional challenge, with representative plaintiffs, full stop.

JungleStrikeGuy said:

Nope. Conroy didn't create our legal system, which dictates what the appeal process is like. This case has always been about representative plaintiffs.

So roughly what happens is they release the amendments, Conroy and the team review and see if they feel it is compliant with Allard.

If so, party time and everything's great. If not, then it's case #2 time. Conroy & co will likely move to get a speedy injunction filed, and begin working on the follow up case. They may choose the same plaintiffs, they may choose different ones. I'd bet on the latter as the grounds for their statement of claim will be very different than the original case. When Conroy / Tousaw mentioned the injunction may continue they are referring to the terms of the injunction, the court will be more likely to continue an injunction that has already been in place than to expand, but anything's possible.

I'm honestly a little surprised as to where this perception that the injunction will continue with only 4 people included comes from, the very text of the injunction specifies that it covers everyone similarly situated. The court would literally have to go out of its way to write a new injunction that limits the interlocutory relief to 4 people. Not how it works. You can look to assisted dying again, the new constitutional challenge is not based around Carter, but a new plaintiff. And the statement of claim is focused in around the contentions 'death being reasonably foreseeable' stipulation that the liberals put in, which was not included in the Carter decision.

The appeal period for Allard v Canada is done, so there's no appealing that case. The new case will be against the text of the amended MMPR, likely filed in Federal Court, and whatever representative plaintiff they choose as the 'lead' will then result in the name of the case. So if it was me, JungleStrikeGuy et al v Canada.

Filing a gold star claim is not a bad idea just on the principle of attacking on all fronts, but there was never any chance of 'grandfathering' only a select group. This is a constitutional challenge, with representative plaintiffs, full stop.

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That was an amazing analysis. I mean yeah, I'm high, but that was amazing.

JungleStrikeGuy said:

Nope. Conroy didn't create our legal system, which dictates what the appeal process is like. This case has always been about representative plaintiffs.

So roughly what happens is they release the amendments, Conroy and the team review and see if they feel it is compliant with Allard.

If so, party time and everything's great. If not, then it's case #2 time. Conroy & co will likely move to get a speedy injunction filed, and begin working on the follow up case. They may choose the same plaintiffs, they may choose different ones. I'd bet on the latter as the grounds for their statement of claim will be very different than the original case. When Conroy / Tousaw mentioned the injunction may continue they are referring to the terms of the injunction, the court will be more likely to continue an injunction that has already been in place than to expand, but anything's possible.

I'm honestly a little surprised as to where this perception that the injunction will continue with only 4 people included comes from, the very text of the injunction specifies that it covers everyone similarly situated. The court would literally have to go out of its way to write a new injunction that limits the interlocutory relief to 4 people. Not how it works. You can look to assisted dying again, the new constitutional challenge is not based around Carter, but a new plaintiff. And the statement of claim is focused in around the contentions 'death being reasonably foreseeable' stipulation that the liberals put in, which was not included in the Carter decision.

The appeal period for Allard v Canada is done, so there's no appealing that case. The new case will be against the text of the amended MMPR, likely filed in Federal Court, and whatever representative plaintiff they choose as the 'lead' will then result in the name of the case. So if it was me, JungleStrikeGuy et al v Canada.

Filing a gold star claim is not a bad idea just on the principle of attacking on all fronts, but there was never any chance of 'grandfathering' only a select group. This is a constitutional challenge, with representative plaintiffs, full stop.

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i think the 4 plaintiff talk comes from the fact that CONroy made the Allard case with 4 plaintiffs instead of making it a class action. if he did that then there would be more people that could have gone for their own actions as they didn't get relief from Allard.
when my case was dismissed due to not having jurisdiction it was because of that directly. we didn't have standing to appeal anything in Allard..yet it was supposed to be for all of us.
yes the win helped a lot of the patients but no all...the injunction was very poorly done and left out half the patients.
i really hope they go with new plaintiffs! have one with current paperwork that needs changes and a lot of us will get relief

I haven't filed under Goldstars yet...just lazy, I guess, but I will today. It certainly can't hurt. $2 out of my grocery money still leaves me $8 for the month! lol!

VIANARCHRIS said:

I haven't filed under Goldstars yet...just lazy, I guess, but I will today. It certainly can't hurt. $2 out of my grocery money still leaves me $8 for the month! lol!

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haha but file the new one...or file both...but you might have to eat KD

Just recieved my certified t numbers from the fed gov via FedEx lol I hope everyone else filed. lets show them we won't bend at the knees.

i filed mine too. it's only $2 to speak up! let our voices be heard.
if anyone is having difficulty, please PM me. i am more than happy to help

Anyone else recieve a phone call from the federal court and an email with the same shit different pile old cases that cover some but not all of the goldstar points

GrowRock said:

Anyone else recieve a phone call from the federal court and an email with the same shit different pile old cases that cover some but not all of the goldstar points

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more info please.
i haven't received anything and when i spoke to John Turmel yesterday, he hasn't heard either.
very curious

nothing here either.

Just recieved a motion to strike my new goldstars claim via FedEx today on the grounds that I have shown no evidence to back up my claims. WTF

Bump........just wondering if anyone else recieved a motion to strike with an attachment of 117 pages and another attachment of 609 pages with 30 days to reply in writing???

Sounds like the gov reps are throwing shit back at you. I hope you guys can fight back at them but it sounds like a lot of reading that they have sent your way!