TVMASDL Grow No. 1

Thanks itsgrowinglikeaweed, it's nice to get the occasional compliment.

And yeah my lights are currently set up about 1 inch from the plants. I'm glad I did a lot of reading on this website or I wouldn't have thought of that already, haha.

Kaleo:

First off thanks for checkin' up on this thread every now and again.

Yeah my soil has those nutes that I described earlier in this thread. But like I also said, I only used about a tenth of what the directions imply. Do you think that would make a difference on how quickly those nutes will get eaten up? If so when then would you suggest I start using the vegging nute I picked out?



Now for another new question, a nutrient question.

These are the specs of the nute I chose for vegging based on what I've read on here:

Spoonit

30-10-10

Total Nitrogen (N).....30%
3.0% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
3.0% Nitrate Nitrogen
24.0% Urea Nitrogen

Available Phosphate (P2O5)........10%

Soluble Potash (K2O).........10%

Iron (Fe).........0.1%
Chelated Iron...0.1%

It's a water soluble nute. I.E. I'm going to mix it in with my water and feed that way. It seems to be the most generally accepted form of soil feeding.

Two questions about this nute:

1) Is this too much nitrogen? Will it burn them when used at 1/4 strength?

2) Is Urea Nitrogen a viable source of nitrogen? I know I've read that Nitrate Nitrogen is the most easily absorbed by the plant, but is Urea Nitrogen still alright to use?

Thanks RIU, you've been a huge help so far!

+Rep for everyone on this thread that I can still give +rep too.

30 -10 -10 is a good ratio for veg. 1/4 strength should be ok to start.
Urea is an acceptable nitrogen source as well. There are discussions involving urine as a fertilizer in the organics forum. You may want to do some reading in that there. Organics is the way to grow! Also you may want to get some epsom salt (magnesium and calcium source). MJ is a magnesium hungry plant and there's none in your 30-10-10 fert.

np i like looking over peoples pics and problems when i dont have my own plants to take care of. i think the 1/10 of the nutes that were added will stay 1/10 the strength for the full amount of time. urine huh? i guess its natual...

Yeah...no worries! In another three weeks, those leaves that you are stressing out about will fall off anyways. Sounds like overwatering to me....

Heres some really good info on molasses > http://www.onlinepot.org/grow/3lbsMolassesManual.htm
And here is a good method of feeding with it >
Here is how you do it. - by Ohsogreen
First use only unsulphured molasses, like Briar Rabbit or Grandma's Molasses (brands). Mix one ounce to one gallon of chlorine free water. If you only have tap water, let it set for two days & 99% of the chlorine will evaporate. Then you can add the molasses.
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You can bubble (oxygenate) it using a cheap aquarium pump & air stone for at least one day. Or just pour it from one clean container (jug or bucket) to another a couple of times a day, for at least two days.
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This provides extra oxygen to the good micro-beaties, they then eat, mutiply, & kill off - the not so nice micro-beaties. The longer you oygenate this mix, the more good guys you end up with. Their eating & pooping out the NPK (bioconversion) is what make it highly soluble. Over time their bioconversion reduces the N and pumps up the P & K slightly. Not a big shift, just a point or two.
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This makes a good growth stage fertilizer (that's cheap).
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Just mix it light the first time & water in lightly - like one quart per plant.
Start low & build slow. This prevents overfertilizing.
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Use this mix one week & plain water the next.
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You can add nutes to the mix, but remember your adding to a mix with a NPK of about 5-1-3 already.

Thanks for the replies guys.

I'll be sure to grab some epsom salt here in the next couple weeks.

Yeah I've heard molasses is a great natural fert, I just wasn't sure how to go about that.

I've read a little bit about the whole urine for nutes thing, it makes sense in theory. I'm just not the type to piss all over my plants without some serious proof that it has no adverse effects.

Plant is growing pretty rapidly now, I'll post some updated pictures here in the next couple days.

https://www.rollitup.org/organics/17800-using-urine-fertilizer.html

06-04-2009, 08:07 AM
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It is time for more of the brothers and sisters to wake up to " A True Understanding Of Nature. "

When you come to this understanding through the application of " Good Knowledge Through Proper Education Of Nature and Mother Earth, "
you will begin to see the true importance of the " Trees " and how to grow them the most potent and healthy, by application of Urine and other Organics, that do not require a trip to a Hydro store or spending a bunch of money, just to use bottled fertilizers, in order to produce bigger yields, but always a sacrifice on quality and health.

I have smoked many Strains and I have used many Strains, that were all growed in different ways and absolutely nothing has ever compared to the smoke that is grown when brothers and sisters will take extra time and build their soil naturally and that includes well dilluted urine.

The healthier your diet, the better, the urine will be and less stincky.

If you are a coke and tater chip kinda guy or gal, you may not get quite as good a result and definately more smell.

Healthy person, " healthy pee. "

Healthy Pee. " healthy plants. "

No BloomBastic 300 and a half being used around here and the pictures of the girls in Veg, say it all.

Nothing from a bottle except for Molasses, goes on my girls.

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Hmmm, interesting stuff.

Although, as I am FAR from on a healthy diet I'm probably not going to be pissing on my plants anytime soon.

Molasses sounds like a great fert, I'm wondering if I should use it instead of these nutes that I have. I'll figure it out here soon.

Well here's some more pics, it's day 11 today and the little lady is taking off. There's one fan leaf that is dominating the others, there are about 6 leaves currently in various stages popping out of nodes. They are curled up toward the light though, and the plant is within one inch of my lights.

TVMASDL said:

Hmmm, interesting stuff.

Although, as I am FAR from on a healthy diet I'm probably not going to be pissing on my plants anytime soon.

Molasses sounds like a great fert, I'm wondering if I should use it instead of these nutes that I have. I'll figure it out here soon.

Well here's some more pics, it's day 11 today and the little lady is taking off. There's one fan leaf that is dominating the others, there are about 6 leaves currently in various stages popping out of nodes. They are curled up toward the light though, and the plant is within one inch of my lights.

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hahah yeah that is interesting!
your plants look fine! heres my day 11 to compare if your interested

Time for an update I suppose, no questions at this point as everything seems to be going smoothly.

Actually there's one, my main stem emerged from the center of the two cotyledon (sp?) at about a 45 degree angle. You can't tell from the pics (crap camera, sorry), but it 's kind of odd.

It doesn't seem like anything to worry about, seeing as the plant is growing very rapidly and seems healthy and lovin' it. I figured the plant would just straighten itself out over time as it grew towards the light.

But then again, I AM the noob at this.

Does anyone foresee this being a problem?

Here's some pics from day 15:

Thanks Volks, looks like you and I are both doing our first CFL grow at roughly the same time. I'm vegging with 4ft fluorescent tubes though.

Scribed to your journal.

+rep for educated noobiness.

Do you have a fan on? your stem looks really flimsy

I do have a fan on pretty much constantly. (Not pointed directly at them of course)

I know doesn't it? But it's actually a pretty tough little stem so far, no bending under the weight of the leaves quite yet. It may require a straw here in the next couple weeks, but I plan on burying the stem a little bit when I transplant in a week or so.

TVMASDL said:

Thanks Volks, looks like you and I are both doing our first CFL grow at roughly the same time. I'm vegging with 4ft fluorescent tubes though.

Scribed to your journal.

+rep for educated noobiness.

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I subscribed to yours too ahha

they both look like there leaning towards the light a bit, which one is the one with the bent stem? the 2nd pic? never heard of it but id say its an extreme case of leaning towards the light and will fix its self before long. if you aim that fan at the plant, all day or just a few hours a day it will thicken the stem a bit. my plants love to dance around in the wind. its like imitating a windy environment and the plant naturally defends its self from getting blown over

Hey thanks for popping in again Kaleo.

They're both pics of the same plant, and yeah that's what I think happened. For about a day when the plant was young one of my fluorescent fixtures crapped out and the plant leaned towards the one behind it instead of straight up. It's very gradually straightening itself out. It just looks kinda funny.

Sorry my camera sucks so much or I could get a good pic, I could try to make a diagram or something so you guys can understand better?

Well this is the best I can do for now, it's the same picture from before but I circled where the actual top of the plant is. See how it's off at like a 45 degree angle?

The rest of the stem is pretty much straight, just once you get up to where it started coming out in between the cotyledon it veers off to what you see here. The part of the diagram where it is making new development is the circled part in the photograph.

It'll most likely straighten out?

make sure your pots have drinage, little slips like that realy dont need to much water, the more light the better.

Yeah, my pots have plenty of drainage. And I'm not over watering.

And I've got plenty of light for two plants.

But thanks for popping in.

TVMASDL said:

Well this is the best I can do for now, it's the same picture from before but I circled where the actual top of the plant is. See how it's off at like a 45 degree angle?

The rest of the stem is pretty much straight, just once you get up to where it started coming out in between the cotyledon it veers off to what you see here. The part of the diagram where it is making new development is the circled part in the photograph.

It'll most likely straighten out?

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Its no big deal. Much stranger things can and do happen lol. I've had some plants do stuff like that. Kinked stem, weird leaves, weird branches....Most likely it will still grow out normally. No-ones plant is perfect. Keep on keepin on.