Twilight LED Grow Light Questions

Rahz

Rahz

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twilightled2015 said:
No one test our lights here, so no one know how is efficiency for the spider.We are confident with the spider light which will be in high efficiency based on the grower's testing result.

You will know the result from the growers who will test our lights here. Suit or not, we will see.
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I think offering lights for grow logs is great, but I think most people posting here would be more interested in the quantitative data regarding photon output. Whoever designed the lamp you promote could easily calculate the efficiency based on the component datasheets.

Stating that you use certain brands only serves to satisfy a person's brand awareness. If you want the customer to know how efficient and how bright the lamp is, you tell them the part numbers to direct them to the relevant datasheets. Small scale grow data isn't as useful as the technical data.

For instance, if a lamp puts out much less than 120 LPW it would be foolish to buy it rather than a sodium bulb of some sort. If you provide datasheets for the diodes or chips you are using we can tell you if we like the lamps or not. :)
 
twilightled2015

twilightled2015

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Rahz said:
I think offering lights for grow logs is great, but I think most people posting here would be more interested in the quantitative data regarding photon output. Whoever designed the lamp you promote could easily calculate the efficiency based on the component datasheets.

Stating that you use certain brands only serves to satisfy a person's brand awareness. If you want the customer to know how efficient and how bright the lamp is, you tell them the part numbers to direct them to the relevant datasheets. Small scale grow data isn't as useful as the technical data.

For instance, if a lamp puts out much less than 120 LPW it would be foolish to buy it rather than a sodium bulb of some sort. If you provide datasheets for the diodes or chips you are using we can tell you if we like the lamps or not. :)
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The datesheet what we give are untenable, Will you believe what I post ? No kidding. We are strange to all here, no one is familiar with us or our lights. That's why we look for the well-known growers to test our lights. Their reviews will be much powerful than us. Don't you agree with me?
 
Rahz

Rahz

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Grow logs aren't bad data but yes, I would trust the scientific analysis of Cree over a lamp peddler or a grow log.

Are you stating that your company is unwilling to divulge the part numbers, and thus not allow the customer to know how bright the product is? You've already told us the current you run the emitters at. All you have left to do is tell us which emitters they are. Then we would have a good scientific understanding of how much light the spiders make. Don't you agree?
 
alesh

alesh

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twilightled2015 said:
The datesheet what we give are untenable, Will you believe what I post ? No kidding. We are strange to all here, no one is familiar with us or our lights. That's why we look for the well-known growers to test our lights. Their reviews will be much powerful than us. Don't you agree with me?
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Post which chip #s are used. As easy as that.
And no, I don't agree with you. Since you said that Epistar is majority, I expect weak results.
 
twilightled2015

twilightled2015

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Rahz said:
Grow logs aren't bad data but yes, I would trust the scientific analysis of Cree over a lamp peddler or a grow log.

Are you stating that your company is unwilling to divulge the part numbers, and thus not allow the customer to know how bright the product is? You've already told us the current you run the emitters at. All you have left to do is tell us which emitters they are. Then we would have a good scientific understanding of how much light the spiders make. Don't you agree?
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I told our main emitters is Epistar &Bridgelux, I don't know if the datebase you mean is the qty of chips. Please see below:

UV380 1PCS---Epistar
IR730 1PCS---Epistar
6500K 2PCS---Bridgelux
440NM 4PCS---Bridgelux
460NM 6PCS---Bridgelux
580NM 1PCS---Epistar
610NM 1PCS---Epistar
630NM 4PCS---Epistar
660NM 10PCS---Epistar
 
twilightled2015

twilightled2015

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alesh said:
Post which chip #s are used. As easy as that.
And no, I don't agree with you. Since you said that Epistar is majority, I expect weak results.
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Why? we have get good feedback from our testers, Your expect will be broken. I send several pictures of our testers for your reference.

We can't say it good or bad before the testing. don't you think so? :wall:
 
Bad Karma

Bad Karma

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twilightled2015 said:
The datesheet what we give are untenable, Will you believe what I post ? No kidding. We are strange to all here, no one is familiar with us or our lights. That's why we look for the well-known growers to test our lights. Their reviews will be much powerful than us. Don't you agree with me?
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I completely agree, reviews from real growers are much more powerful than what a company claims. Here's the problem, I just did some research on the 420mag site to get an idea of what I should expect from your Spider light during my test grow, and what I found out is not good.
First off, all of your testers on that site, every single one of them, clearly states that the Spider 4 only draws around 200w. They also clearly state that it can not flower a 4x4 tent properly, not even close. Yet, here you are on our site, claiming its a true 432w light, that can take care of a 4x4 area. Your previous test growers state it would take at least two Spider 4's to properly cover a 4x4, and that the Spider 4 would be better suited for a 3x3, or even a 2x2 space. Also, they claim that the 120 degree lens are a complete waste, and that 90, or even 60 degree lens are necessary for flowering. I won't post direct links to the other site, as I'm pretty sure its against the rules, but here's a harvest video (posted below) from one of those growers, that sums up a lot of the things I just pointed out.

@twilightled2015, Why were you trying to deceive me and waste my valuable time? I offered to lend my credibility on this forum to help you establish your company, and product, but you were literally setting me up to fail with misinformation. You purposefully fed me false data that was easy to double check through your previous testers grow journals. You clearly thought that I was too stupid to fact check your statements, and that I would just foolishly take them at face value, because you were offering me something for free. Well guess what? I take it quite personally when someone tries to play me for a fool.
You may be use to having certain sponsor censorship powers on the 420 forum, to make unfavorable posts go away, but you have no such magical powers here. Here, the truth is allowed absolute freedom. So since I've got all this freetime on my hands, now that I won't be doing a grow journal for you, I'm going to be personally making sure that every word you post from now on is 100% true. I'm Bad Karma, and this my yard, dig it.

 
twilightled2015

twilightled2015

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Bad Karma said:
I completely agree, reviews from real growers are much more powerful than what a company claims. Here's the problem, I just did some research on the 420mag site to get an idea of what I should expect from your Spider light during my test grow, and what I found out is not good.
First off, all of your testers on that site, every single one of them, clearly states that the Spider 4 only draws around 200w. They also clearly state that it can not flower a 4x4 tent properly, not even close. Yet, here you are on our site, claiming its a true 432w light, that can take care of a 4x4 area. Your previous test growers state it would take at least two Spider 4's to properly cover a 4x4, and that the Spider 4 would be better suited for a 3x3, or even a 2x2 space. Also, they claim that the 120 degree lens are a complete waste, and that 90, or even 60 degree lens are necessary for flowering. I won't post direct links to the other site, as I'm pretty sure its against the rules, but here's a harvest video (posted below) from one of those growers, that sums up a lot of the things I just pointed out.

@twilightled2015, Why were you trying to deceive me and waste my valuable time? I offered to lend my credibility on this forum to help you establish your company, and product, but you were literally setting me up to fail with misinformation. You purposefully fed me false data that was easy to double check through your previous testers grow journals. You clearly thought that I was too stupid to fact check your statements, and that I would just foolishly take them at face value, because you were offering me something for free. Well guess what? I take it quite personally when someone tries to play me for a fool.
You may be use to having certain sponsor censorship powers on the 420 forum, to make unfavorable posts go away, but you have no such magical powers here. Here, the truth is allowed absolute freedom. So since I've got all this freetime on my hands, now that I won't be doing a grow journal for you, I'm going to be personally making sure that every word you post from now on is 100% true. I'm Bad Karma, and this my yard, dig it.

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Hi Karma, I appreciate your professional and scientific spirit. I feel that you might be angry with us here, but I hope to tell you that we definitely respect your advice and idea. maybe there were some misunderstanding, however, we can explain them.First, about the power, you are right the power consume is 200w, and we also stated in 420magazine about this in person. Second. about the coverage, it can cover 4x4 area with 120degree, you can see the journal by CO Finest. but the best result is 3x3 area, so if this is confused growers, we would like to make a statement.
Third. Spider COB Grow light have the feature with different lens, people can replace the lens by themselves, there are 120degree and 60degree, growers can use 120degree for vegetative stage and 60degree for blooming stage. also when we send the FREE Lamp to tester, we will send 2 kind of lens.
I hope those can make us clear from those misunderstanding, and if you have more question kindly let me know. again, we do respect your comments about us. and we are here to be honest to find some growers beside, we didn't post more details about our lamp because of the rule by this forum, too much product info. will result in account blocking, we have nothing to hide and we needn't to do that. I noticed that you were growing the plants with LED in 2012, how is that 180w lamp? do you have more details?
 
twilightled2015

twilightled2015

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fobesterdam said:
exposed for what it was obvious to be from the first post.

too easy.

another one bites the dust.

bigup, bad karma amongst many others.



that cob looked so corny they prob use butter for thermal compound. so heres a pinch of salt.
:lol:
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If so, what kind of light you use for your indoor growing? If our COB looked so corny, how about yours? I think that must be amazing.
 
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