twisted deformed leaves

I'm frustrated with this strain. I've grown it for 2 years. I can't get it to grow normal. I want to retire this strain but my patients love the purple buds. Its called: Apollo. I have a crap ton of this to flower asap:'( HELP! its in fox farms ocean Forrest. Its getting genhydro flora nova. Its getting 5mls a gallon coming out at 1300 ppm and 6.4 pH. I've tried what seems like everything. Ro water, tap water, high and low notes, high and low light, high and low temps, high and low pH, hps and mh. Ive tried b vitamins. Ive tried humic/fulvic acids. 1 in 10 plants looks somewhat normal. Yield and quality come out OK but growing it sucks. Its getting necrosis between the veins. Stalks are thick. I don't over or under water it. I've tried other fert lines like roots organic, gen organic, fox farms. I don't ever foliar feed.

Oh and I typically have a few fungus gnats per container but not a crap ton. I'm going to try nemetodes next but every other strain I grow or have grown isn't effected by so little gnats.

First of all, in my experience with FFOF, it is extremely heavy and nutrient-rich soil, by itself. I think it needs to be amended with a lot of perlite (30-50%) to open it up and allow some oxygen to get to the roots. I like to see water draining very quickly through the soil. Always use garden pots with large drainage holes so that the water rushes through the open soil and carries with it a lot of oxygen. FFOF run-off looks like strong espresso for the first several weeks of watering! It's full of guano and worm castings and all kinds of stuff that will feed the plant just fine.

Secondly, I recommend that if you are using FFOF, then you shouldn't feed any extra nutrients to the plants until after the flip to 12/12 flowering cycle. Just get an inline water filter that removes chlorine and chloramines from the tap water and use that. You can get them on Amazon for about 30 bucks.

Could that be russet or broad mites?

mulligan, you actually get buds? from what you write, it really looks like you're over ferting the plants. ffof does have ferts in and last for quite a while as tstick mentioned. the purpose to buying the soil is so you don't have to add much.

I would go with lockout of mg/ca due to to strong ec in the pot as it looks like a mix of deficiency but u said u have fed so it's not deficiency it's lockout just my opinion

Wow! Thanks for such quick responses! Forums are awesome.... I haven't got over 1.5 lb per light off the Apollo. I can get up to 2 off other strains but never more:'( . I'm about to transplant so maybe what you guys are recommending is to water them in with no nutes upon transplant. I need to research about russet, don't know what that is. I don't have any bugs. I have experimented with this strain and only gave it tap water with 300 natural ppms in it for a month but those plants were just as twisted yet more yellow. My friend who gets 2 lb a light on the regular who I then look up to says his yield went down when giving apollo less than 5mls nova in veg (hes in ffof too). Im on 24 hrs of light. But this kind seems to preflower if given anything less. Seems like in my 10+ years of growing this is my only problem i cant seem to fix or figure out. on some the stems are striped purple on the new growth. On the 1 out of 10 that looks somewhat normal its nice a green and fat at the top. If it is russet what should I do? This is one of those strains that the leaf will "camo" if you will like vary in light/dark green and 1 out of 1000 leaves will have bleached spots. Like this pic. What would you guys do?

What is your humidity?
Looks similar too high humi , when there is too many plants and no airflow . Does it smell little weird day after you feed them? Like moisture ?

you gotta take pics in white light please.

Humidity is under 50%. One pic is the worst case, one pic is the "bleached leaf" . i need to prune bad, but when I do it doesn't help the twisting. The bigger the plant the better it looks I just noticed so maybe I am feeding
Too much even tho I'm using the lightest recommendation on the bottle(schedule says 2.5ml with additives). I feed every time. Thanks guys for helping!

This pic shows some tip burn however its also yellowing. Must be a lockout?

Co2 is at 524ppm.

They always look a bit better after a transplant and I usually water them in at 5mls even the first time. I don't want them to pale any more but I'm considering watering them in at 2 mls which should land me around 600 ppm. Could it be the fungus gnats are done eating decaying matter and now they are after my roots? Its been a loooooong time since I repotted these girls. They are in 7 gallon pots going into 20s. even young small ones twist and curl

Are they dry ? If so maybe you can show us roots

They are very dry. Waiting for dirt store to open so I can repot. Usually water every other day leaving them with 1/2 inch of run off... I've had up to 23 strains and 3 places with the same treatment and they all loved it. This has me so pissed off I decided to try online forums. I hate it when I can't figure it out. I'm not too worried because they always look a little better once I flip them
into flower(~2 weeks from today). They will
provide buds but damn they can be
embarrassing when vegging. ill take flower pics of them later today at 28 days once my lights go off

I'm thinking broad mites.... you can't see them,, but the leaves show it.. look up broad mite on marijuana on google images

After seeing them last pics that's no def or lockout it's being attacked is the new under growth like the tops also? I think terry nailed it with broadsides I second that

Geez! I'm not sure what that is. You obviously know how to grow! The planet look really nice -except for that "thing" that's going on….I guess cut off some of the effected leaves and look at them under a microscope. It could be mites….but it also could be thrips…? Can you take some pictures of the undersides of the leaves?

makka said:

After seeing them last pics that's no def or lockout it's being attacked is the new under growth like the tops also? I think terry nailed it with broadsides I second that

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I said broadmites first! Not terry! Fuck you terry! Just kidding, i love you terry. But ya, kinda looks like broad mite damage. I threw russet in there on my first post (way before terry! )because thats the one ive never had thank god, but i know it messes up new growth. The other thing it could be is that plant being totally root bound....like thats really bad in those pics. Roots packed in there makes the plant easily over fertilized because of lack of growing medium and abundance of roots.

3 different leaves. And one in the flower room day 28