two big plants or more smaller plants

I was thinking of popping six seeds and putting them in 2 gallon pots. Veg them up to 5 nodes and then flip the lights. This is what I think is down and dirty.

The one thought I had though was with the price (And small risk) of buying seeds I should really just Scrog or mainline 2 plants in 5 gallon pots. My seeds are feminized.

What say you? Yield really comes down to lumens if I'm not mistaken. My tent is 3.5 x 2 x 5ft high. Two 150 watt hps (36000 Lumens), but I may upgrade.

It depends really on the strain and growing method. Seeing as you have 2 150watts I would scrog so that all of the budsites have the optimum amount of lumens. For that space 2 plants would be fine, if it starts to get cramped you could always chop off a few branches. I would say yeild comes down to use of lumens combined with growing method and temperature,

Clone!
Start a clone group after the plant shows maturity.
5-7 weeks at 18/6 many plants will show pistils, then start cloning.
I work under a 400 watt HPS, I usually grew one scrogged out 45 plus topped bush.
The weights were 6-8 ounces, but when I ran three sigificantly smaller plants I got over 10 ounces.
I work with a sativa Dom plant, now clone only for the last 3 months.
It flowers in 9 weeks so Right now I have 6 clones, 3 for the next flower period in 5 weeks and then 3 to take clones from and train and top and hold till I am ready to flower in. 14 weeks. The oldest will be larger, they will be bushes, I do some lower branch trimming to get rid of growth that receives no light.
I use side lighting so I currently have about 18" of green growth on top of 4' tall plants.
Bless, and Good Growing!
DZ

I was not clear , I veg under 216 watt of T8 HO, so all 18/6 is in my Veg.

I flower in a tent with my 400 and 2- 95 watt T5 sidelights.
Bless,
DZ

Two plants that I let grow to tall, not enought time doing LST and bondage. They will be 5 weeks in flower on Monday.
They are way to close to the light and over growing my tent!
Bless,
DZ

My clones in my veg

You don't have much light so I would say multiple smaller plants in sea of green style setup. The plants cant get too big because that light wont penetrate deep at all. So I would personally focus on having multiple tops on each and removing lower stuff. And I would make the light top down. Close proximity.

Oh and technically lumens are not a unit used for plants. Its more PAR rating. Just keep the lights tight enough so it don't cause any heat stress. Or light stress.

Prairie Smoker said:

You don't have much light so I would say multiple smaller plants in sea of green style setup. The plants cant get too big because that light wont penetrate deep at all. So I would personally focus on having multiple tops on each and removing lower stuff. And I would make the light top down. Close proximity.

Oh and technically lumens are not a unit used for plants. Its more PAR rating. Just keep the lights tight enough so it don't cause any heat stress. Or light stress.

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I see a nice looking light setup on Craigslist. I think I'll pick this up for $100. The ballast gets good reviews.

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/grd/4700923653.html What do you think? I can sell my 150's for $40 a piece.

@Dogenzengi Your clones have very healthy looking fan leaves. I love looking at them. They are just loving the environment you have them in.

@sunny, See the second pic dogenzengi posted? Try to get your canopy coverage like that. That's the idea behind it. If you cant keep an even canopy with , especially with smaller lights, then you wont have a very consistent quality. Lower stuff will be really noticeably worse. Ive always liked 400 watt lights because I can get them really close and the plants grow decently with them. So I have a bias towards it. Some people would argue having multiple smaller lights is better because you have multiple sources of lights so better even coverage. But my opinion on that is that the penetration is so week and I always felt like my bud density was better with those bigger lights. But that's my style.

Prairie Smoker, thank you, they are in an ebb n flow setup with the Food at 600 PPM 2 feedings a day. I keep my PH range of 5.85-5.95.
I foliar feed my clones with 1/2 strength Olivia's cloning solution.
They are under a 4' 4 bulge fixture, T8 HO 216 watts
I also use the Olivia's on my clones and I have a 100 percent success rate so far.
Bless,
DZ

I'm going to drop off some of my cuttings for babysitting at your house Dogen They do look awesome. I suck at cloning, but I guess it's something I need to work on.

Have you found a major difference with the side lighting? Ive always been curious about throwing up a couple LED panels on the sides

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@Dogenzengi Your clones have very healthy looking fan leaves. I love looking at them. They are just loving the environment you have them in.

@sunny, See the second pic dogenzengi posted? Try to get your canopy coverage like that. That's the idea behind it. If you cant keep an even canopy with , especially with smaller lights, then you wont have a very consistent quality. Lower stuff will be really noticeably worse. Ive always liked 400 watt lights because I can get them really close and the plants grow decently with them. So I have a bias towards it. Some people would argue having multiple smaller lights is better because you have multiple sources of lights so better even coverage. But my opinion on that is that the penetration is so week and I always felt like my bud density was better with those bigger lights. But that's my style.

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I got a sweet deal. Solis-Tek 400 w digital ballast with nice air colled hood and new bulbs for 100 bucks. Can't beat it. The hood alone is $120. I'm stoked.

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I suck at cloning, but I guess it's something I need to work on.

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I do too... I can grow ( some might even debate that ) but damn them clones. I think I finally got 3 out of 8 to survive this time. I used cloning gel and rockwool. The cloning gel did nothing for them. The ones that survived grew roots above the gel for cryin out loud !
They look nothing like Dogs here thats for sure!

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I do too... I can grow ( some might even debate that ) but damn them clones. I think I finally got 3 out of 8 to survive this time. I used cloning gel and rockwool. The cloning gel did nothing for them. The ones that survived grew roots above the gel for cryin out loud !
They look nothing like Dogs here thats for sure!

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Cloning can be difficult at first but once you get the hang of it you'll see that it's pretty straight forward. Did you soak the rockwool cubes in ph'd water @ 5.5? And then the thing that messed me up when I first started is how wet I kept the cubes, those things hold a shit ton of water. You have to soak em to get all the bs out of them and correct their ph and then squeeze most of the water out but it's still damp. Then I get my cubes all ready in a tray and go straight from the plant to the gel to the cubes and under the dome, on a heat mat , and I open the dome once or twice a day for fresh air.

To prep my 1" cubes ( leave the paper on the cube)

I submerse in 1/2 strength Oliva'cloning solution ph set to 5.85-5.95 for 10 minutes.

To make use 2-tsp per half gallon of water, it will be about 80PPM of nutes

So I soak the cube than I use a Salad Spinner to remove the excess water because squeezing the cube makes it tighter and harder for roots to grow.

So 1 quick pump on the salad spinner and they are almost dry, very damp is what you want.

I take my cuttings and drop them in a Glass of tap water, 5 nodes is what I look for as far as a minimum length.

I never take them before I have 5 pointed leaves, I like to wait till 7 points.

Cut all fan leaves by removing 1/2 of the leaf on the bottom nodes but leave the top growth alone.
Remove any branch that will stop you from shoving the cutting in the cube.
scrape off any leftover branch to expose the white material.

So I remove clone from water and using a razor blade or a scalpel
( like me, disposable scalpels are cheap)

Scrap about 1/4" strip of surface exposing the white just below the green exterior, down one side to the end of cutting.
( Not wide scrape maybe 1/16" inch wide)

Next Cut the base at a 45 degree angle about 1/8" long removing the end.

Next cut vertically about 1/8" splitting the face of the 45 degree cut in 2.

Next dip in any rooting gel or powder, let sit 5 minutes.

Cubes have a hole, I don't use it, it's to large, I make a slit on the opposite side and insert the clone in the slit.

Next you need a seedling warming mat and black seedling tray and a humidity dome.

Mild light and a good misting spray bottle are needed.

Wet clones 3 times a day w sprayer also always spray the inside of the hood to add to the humidity.

5 - 10 days roots will be coming out the bottom of the 1" cube.

Now dip a 4" cube in same mixture 10 minutes and then let them sit for 2 hours, remove the paper and insert the 1" cube into the 4" cube, no need for hood now.

These cubes should have roots out the bottom in 4-6 days.

My clones have always survived since I starting using the exact cutting method above.

I am not crazy about sterility of the blade, I have used and just wiped off the same blade about 25 times and I never have a problem.

As soon as the roots come out of the bottom of the 4" cube start crushing the vertical stems between your fingers.
squeeze till you feel the vertical fibers Seperate, Do this to all stems and start low. Do this once a week and in 3 weeks you will have 1/2-3/4" diameter stems on your clones.

I grow a Sativa right now ( it's a Bagseed that flowers in 9 weeks)
so I top early and often.
I use LST and super cropping to make a better canopy.
That's it in a nutshell.
Foliar feed with the Olivia's solution once a week, flood 2x a day.
Bless,
DZ

I clone under a 95 watt T5