Uncle Ben's Gardening Tweeks and Pointers

Kriegs

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Yes it does come from a aquifer, whole state does here.....and yes I'm sure about the pH, just got my new hanna pen the other day. Calibrated it, and checked my tap water......then almost fainted. I don't have a tds meter yet, but I'm curious what that will come up as. I buy my water and it seems to work much better for me.

I wasn't trying to say that chlorinated water would cause a problem with a organic grow, but to the best of my knowledge if you are using mycorrhizae or something along those lines to speed the break down of your organic materials it will kill them. Most if not all the bottles I have seen have it in all caps writing. DO NOT USE WITH CHLORINATED WATER.
Just a thought... have you tried pH'ing your water after sitting out for a day? High pH water will equilibrate with atmospheric CO2, which creates carbonic acid, and the pH will drop. Mine drops a full point overnight; 8.0 out of the tap; 7.0 24 hours later.
 

Dr. Indica

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Just a thought... have you tried pH'ing your water after sitting out for a day? High pH water will equilibrate with atmospheric CO2, which creates carbonic acid, and the pH will drop. Mine drops a full point overnight; 8.0 out of the tap; 7.0 24 hours later.
No, I haven't....the water I buy works real good for my nutrients and additives so I haven't tried to change anything. I currently don't have to use any ph up or down for my whole grow and I can still get the desired pH I want.
 

Jack in the Bud

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This morning I noticed that the veins in the fan leaves on the upper third of one plant are starting to turn brown. Does any one have an idea of what this might be indicating.

I'm getting fairly close to harvest but would like to take them at least another two to three weeks (or more if I can keep them healthy) just so they can pile on some more mass.

I was planning on feeding them again some time this week so I've got the opportunity to adjust what I give them in hopes of slowing down this leaf vein browning.

Thanks.

Jack

PS: The white spots you can see on the leaf are the result of damage caused by thrips. That problem has been dealt with.
 

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Kriegs

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This morning I noticed that the veins in the fan leaves on the upper third of one plant are starting to turn brown. Does any one have an idea of what this might be indicating.

I'm getting fairly close to harvest but would like to take them at least another two to three weeks (or more if I can keep them healthy) just so they can pile on some more mass.

I was planning on feeding them again some time this week so I've got the opportunity to adjust what I give them in hopes of slowing down this leaf vein browning.

Thanks.

Jack

PS: The white spots you can see on the leaf are the result of damage caused by thrips. That problem has been dealt with.
You don't have an ozone generator in the room by chance? I burned some leaves with ozone earlier this year - looked just like that.
 

Jack in the Bud

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You don't have an ozone generator in the room by chance? I burned some leaves with ozone earlier this year - looked just like that.
Hey Kriegs,

No ozone generator so it can't be that. I was thinking it had something to do with a nutrient deficency but then again as I said I'm getting close to harvest so it just might be part of the plants natural dieing back process.

Found my first couple of bananas the other day (removed them with tweezers) so I know I'm getting close. Got a few amber trichromes but most are still clear or cloudy.

I gave the plants a mild feeding of MG Bloom Booster (1 tsp./gal.) a week back and they almost all responded with a new layer of fresh white pistils. Even some of those wispy foxtails I was getting on some of the plants seem to be fattening up.

My goal at this point is to keep them healthy and growing for as long as possible so that the final yield increases.

Jack out.
 

potpimp

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Organic tastes better, huh? :roll:

I'll bet you a harvest you can't tell the difference in an organically fed plant and one fed with a non-organic fert. The plant does not give a rats ass where it gets the raw minerals from.

Taste is about trim, dry and cure. :blsmoke::blsmoke:
It's a proven fact that plants do NOT uptake organic matter, only inorganic. The organic nutes must break down into inorganics before becoming usable to the plant.

Man what an incredible thread this is. I've been doing copy/paste of these beautiful nugs. After over a year or so on here I feel like a kid in a candy store. Ben is proving so much of what I have suspected for some time, especially about things like ph, flushing and overpriced nutes that are not worth a crap. I gave Uncle Ben a rep and a BJ from my sister. ...my sister did call didn't she? :)
 

Uncle Ben

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Hey Kriegs,

No ozone generator so it can't be that. I was thinking it had something to do with a nutrient deficency but then again as I said I'm getting close to harvest so it just might be part of the plants natural dieing back process.
Chlorosis, most likely caused by high P foods.

I gave the plants a mild feeding of MG Bloom Booster (1 tsp./gal.) a week back
Uhhhhhhhh.......yes sirree
 

potpimp

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Uncle Ben, I'm a little confused as to what nute mix to start off with and what and when to change it. I read that 3-1-2 is the best but is that for vegging? When do I switch (or top dress) and to what ratio? Thanks so much.
 

Katatawnic

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WARNING: Keeping it green through to harvest, instead of saying, "Your buds are done when the plant 'looks like it's dying' because it is," just might encourage the growth of fat buds and the ability to remove those that are ready while leaving the less matured ones to "cook" longer. :bigjoint:

The largest colas on the plant on the right still have plenty of white hairs, but there were five "lesser" colas that were perfectly ripe, so I took those last night. As can be seen in the attached photos, this opened up the bottom growth, which is full of brilliantly green foliage and more "lesser" colas (not quite "popcorn" buds, mind you) just waiting to get fatter while the larger colas finish up their job. (There's a little damage that can be seen on this plant's foliage, due to deficiencies that occurred before I switched to Jack's Classic; I'd previously been using GH's MaxiGro and MaxiBloom. Correcting the nutrients stopped the damage in its tracks, and the leaves went from pale green to a brilliant dark green within three days of feeding with Jack's Classic.)

It can also be seen that there was no lollipopping done on this plant, and it's quite thick down there; yet I didn't lose anything due to lack of air circulation nor light penetration. (Might I note that I use T5 lights rather than HID, yet still no lack of light penetration to the bottom.) Now, the plant on the left was "partially lollipopped" as I took sixteen cuttings (four of the lowest from each of the four main colas) for clones to add to my growing SOG endeavor, but I left the fan leaves intact... all the more for photosynthesis! :mrgreen:

Please excuse the awful camera... the color is always off (though you can still tell whether or not the foliage is actually green), and blurry shots are the norm. But the concept is still in the photos. One of these years I'll get me a decent camera, but for now my priority is to build upon my garden whenever I have a little cash after paying bills. ;) :D
 

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bigman4270

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WARNING: Keeping it green through to harvest, instead of saying, "Your buds are done when the plant 'looks like it's dying' because it is," just might encourage the growth of fat buds and the ability to remove those that are ready while leaving the less matured ones to "cook" longer. :bigjoint:

The largest colas on the plant on the right still have plenty of white hairs, but there were five "lesser" colas that were perfectly ripe, so I took those last night. As can be seen in the attached photos, this opened up the bottom growth, which is full of brilliantly green foliage and more "lesser" colas (not quite "popcorn" buds, mind you) just waiting to get fatter while the larger colas finish up their job. (There's a little damage that can be seen on this plant's foliage, due to deficiencies that occurred before I switched to Jack's Classic; I'd previously been using GH's MaxiGro and MaxiBloom. Correcting the nutrients stopped the damage in its tracks, and the leaves went from pale green to a brilliant dark green within three days of feeding with Jack's Classic.)

It can also be seen that there was no lollipopping done on this plant, and it's quite thick down there; yet I didn't lose anything due to lack of air circulation nor light penetration. (Might I note that I use T5 lights rather than HID, yet still no lack of light penetration to the bottom.) Now, the plant on the left was "partially lollipopped" as I took sixteen cuttings (four of the lowest from each of the four main colas) for clones to add to my growing SOG endeavor, but I left the fan leaves intact... all the more for photosynthesis! :mrgreen:

Please excuse the awful camera... the color is always off (though you can still tell whether or not the foliage is actually green), and blurry shots are the norm. But the concept is still in the photos. One of these years I'll get me a decent camera, but for now my priority is to build upon my garden whenever I have a little cash after paying bills. ;) :D
Hey Kat,

They look mighty tasty!!!!:weed: I gotta say those fan leaves are huge and everything looks nice and green. Thanks for the pics.

:peace:

Big
 

Kriegs

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Nice breakdown, Katatawnic.. I def noticed last year, and this year that the same plant matures at different rates - typically in zones, no? My biggest girl is maturing in the "second tier" of buds first. It looks like that tier will go first, then the top colas, then fatten up the bottom for awhile (though I didn't feed enough during stretch... so it will be a little thin down there).
 

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potpimp

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Thanks for the info Jjfoo but I need to know *when* to use them. BTW, I just sat and looked at those beautiful colas today for probably 10 minutes. There must have been a wheelbarrow full of bud there. UB, was that about 5 lbs dry?
 
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