Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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blackoctopussy

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Hi UB, you mention Mel and Ed's 1982 edition as a good start for acquiring knowledge. They talk about some growers who have put screws or nails in the stem/trunk but they don't talk about results. I also found a thread on a french forum where a guy does the same in the last 10 to 20 days before harvest, saying it increases total yield by approx 20%. Have you ever tried it, heard of it ? What's your advice on this technique :weed:

Many thanx in advance,
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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blackoctopussy said:
Hi UB, you mention Mel and Ed's 1982 edition as a good start for acquiring knowledge. They talk about some growers who have put screws or nails in the stem/trunk but they don't talk about results. I also found a thread on a french forum where a guy does the same in the last 10 to 20 days before harvest, saying it increases total yield by approx 20%. Have you ever tried it, heard of it ? What's your advice on this technique :weed:

Many thanx in advance,
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Don't know, is the drill trying to provide more Fe? It's a gimmick.
 
Thrasher645

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Blacks right, its a stress technique, but it does work. I have friends say that there colas have gotten bigger and thicker from doing it. Most times the colas just get real dense but all around its a great technique.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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blackoctopussy said:
just another stress technique, from what I read the plant thinks it's going to die and sends it's last ressources to bud production. Have a link if you're interested in pics. Thanks UB :bigjoint:
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I'd only be interested if it came from a university.

You want big buds, high yields? Then grow a very healthy plant that retains alot of leaves until harvest and leave the nails with the carpenters.

Thanks,
UB
 
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jjfoo

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potpimp said:
Plants think? That's a new one, LOL.
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Maybe you should think of think as 'respond'. As in respond to stress in a way that best gives it a chance to reproduce.

People ask if evolution has a intelligence. I say no, things are just simply falling into their place as dictated by the laws of physics.

Plants may not think like you do nor do they communicate like you do, but they do communicate and have signaling mechanisms.

I don't think this should surprise you.
 
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jjfoo

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Thrasher645 said:
Blacks right, its a stress technique, but it does work. I have friends say that there colas have gotten bigger and thicker from doing it. Most times the colas just get real dense but all around its a great technique.
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Why do you believe this? Did you friend do a controlled experiment or just stick a nail in a plant that may or may not have been going to do better and say the nail caused it to yield more.

Just cause you can correlate something doesn't show causation. He may have changed something else that caused this. Scientists need to have a controlled environment which can be very difficult to do.

By people believing what others tell them with out having any references to how the info was obtained we live in a world full of believers. This is how wars get started.

Maybe I'm too harsh and need to mellow out but I really hate belief systems. They usually lead to people who are really mislead.
 
Thrasher645

Thrasher645

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jjfoo said:
Why do you believe this? Did you friend do a controlled experiment or just stick a nail in a plant that may or may not have been going to do better and say the nail caused it to yield more.

Just cause you can correlate something doesn't show causation. He may have changed something else that caused this. Scientists need to have a controlled environment which can be very difficult to do.

By people believing what others tell them with out having any references to how the info was obtained we live in a world full of believers. This is how wars get started.

Maybe I'm too harsh and need to mellow out but I really hate belief systems. They usually lead to people who are really mislead.
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Yea I think you do need to mello out were just talking about marijuana. Alot of well known people on this site use this technique including my friends when they grow, its just one of many techniques you can use while growing to make your plants a lil better.
You dont stick nails in the plant. You put thumbtacks in the main stem and branches (if the branches are thick enough) during the last few weeks of harvest. It sends stress signals to the Buds. You can pick up any growing book and itll tell ya stuff like that.

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Boyz N Da Hood

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hey UB, wow i'm glad i came across this thread it has sooooo much good info 2 offer only thing its just really LOOONG lol i read til like page 52 but it was 2 much 4 one day lol i understood it for the most part i just have a question though and i apologize if it has already been answered.. can you use this technique on clones or do they have to be from seedlings? i had read somewhere here that if you do it to clones with alternating node that alternating nodes count as 1/2 of opposing nodes and that they wont have the same uniformity.
 
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Boyz N Da Hood said:
hey UB, wow i'm glad i came across this thread it has sooooo much good info 2 offer only thing its just really LOOONG lol i read til like page 52 but it was 2 much 4 one day lol i understood it for the most part i just have a question though and i apologize if it has already been answered.. can you use this technique on clones or do they have to be from seedlings? i had read somewhere here that if you do it to clones with alternating node that alternating nodes count as 1/2 of opposing nodes and that they wont have the same uniformity.
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Yes you can use it on clones, but like you said it wont be as uniform as from seed.
 
Boyz N Da Hood

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oh thanks man.. with it not being uniformed would it affect yield?? and is there a way to get the clones 2 revert back to opposing nodes?
 
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Uncle Ben said:
Welcome to RIU and the thread! Plan your garden and grow your plan. ;)
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Thanks for sharing your secrets with all us. For some reason I am having a hard time understanding the hormone response thing. So you're saying once the plant is around 5-6 nodes (I'm growing from a clone), I would cut above the 2nd true node? I think I am having a hard time finding the 2nd node. What if the nodes on my plant was alternating? Because in your picture you cut right above what seems like the 1st node. Do you count it as 2 node when the nodes are directly next to each other (one on the left is one and one on the right is two)? Thanks for any input you can provide.
 
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johnnyredbook said:
Thanks for sharing your secrets with all us. For some reason I am having a hard time understanding the hormone response thing. So you're saying once the plant is around 5-6 nodes (I'm growing from a clone), I would cut above the 2nd true node? I think I am having a hard time finding the 2nd node. What if the nodes on my plant was alternating? Because in your picture you cut right above what seems like the 1st node. Do you count it as 2 node when the nodes are directly next to each other (one on the left is one and one on the right is two)? Thanks for any input you can provide.
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If the clone has already matured into the final stages of growth (i.e. alternating branch nodes)This technique will not be as uniform in growth I believe.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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jjfoo said:
Why do you believe this? Did you friend do a controlled experiment or just stick a nail in a plant that may or may not have been going to do better and say the nail caused it to yield more.

Just cause you can correlate something doesn't show causation. He may have changed something else that caused this. Scientists need to have a controlled environment which can be very difficult to do.

By people believing what others tell them with out having any references to how the info was obtained we live in a world full of believers.
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Excellent points. Folks are quick to establish a quick cause/effect relationship because they have a need to believe. The worst abusers of this common human behaviorial element is those trying various snake oils. Goes something like this - "I tried Oma's Golden Showers Tonic and it doubled the bud size!" .....while forgetting to add in that he changed up his lights, tweaked his garden, learned from previous mistakes, never had or runs a control group, is stretching the truth (sees what he expects or wants to see), etc.
 
Uncle Ben

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All right, back on topic. :D

ultimate buds said:
just thought id add this pic as i found it usefull hope it helps someone
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Yeah, I posted in that thread. If you notice the FIM cutting point, it basically is nothing more than topping above the 3rd node. I've always thought that was funny.

Back in the old days, OG, the "pros" would define the cutting point for Fuck I Missed as going right thru the node. I assume because they felt, unknowingly or not, that there was alot of dormant buds residing in the nodal tissue.

Someone should take about 10 seedlings, top 1/2 per the FIM diagram and cut 1/2 right thru the middle of a node, say the 2nd or 3rd one. Would be an interesting experiment, post to the Advanced forum.



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