Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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SnotNazi

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That means that it is the least likely node to receive redirected ho moans. I'm also trying to explain plant hormonal responses - the ones at the top receive hormones that induce output the first. Top a plant, any kind of a plant, and it will induce dormant bud output starting with the top down.

By allowing the plant to get a good start, which occurs with some leaf material from say......6 nodes (opposing leafsets) as opposed to 2, you're just giving it a better jump-start. You can use the cutting as a clone.

No special advantage to 2 colas and that's what I usually do is top to get 4. But I was "playing games" regarding 2 versus 4 years ago jest fer fun. I decided to do quite a bit of experimentation on cannabis years ago, potting techniques, soil chemistry, pest control, etc. rather than taking someone's take on it. 4 main colas is my ditty.

Post #1232 has some really good shots of the 4 main cola structure. 2 pages past are some more.
https://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=33786&page=62

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UB
That means that it is the least likely node to receive redirected ho moans. I'm also trying to explain plant hormonal responses - the ones at the top receive hormones that induce output the first. Top a plant, any kind of a plant, and it will induce dormant bud output starting with the top down.

By allowing the plant to get a good start, which occurs with some leaf material from say......6 nodes (opposing leafsets) as opposed to 2, you're just giving it a better jump-start. You can use the cutting as a clone.

No special advantage to 2 colas and that's what I usually do is top to get 4. But I was "playing games" regarding 2 versus 4 years ago jest fer fun. I decided to do quite a bit of experimentation on cannabis years ago, potting techniques, soil chemistry, pest control, etc. rather than taking someone's take on it. 4 main colas is my ditty.

Post #1232 has some really good shots of the 4 main cola structure. 2 pages past are some more.
https://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=33786&page=62

Regards,
UB
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Just wondering if this is kinda what you're talking about. The above picture - it's the plant on the left - I topped around the 4th node but saw immediately it didn't work. You can see at the bottom of the close up that there are two separate chutes with buds but they didn't do more than that. . . . . .
 

tom slick

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20150313_082605.jpg 20150313_082605.jpg 20150313_082633.jpg UB. First time grower with real issue. I am quickly outgrowing my space. I have 3 plants who vegged for 6 weeks (wanted to take time and I topped later than I Wil next time ) vertical we can double but it's so bushy everything is everywhere. This is week one of flower so I lowered temp to 70 to minimize stretch (maybe) I have added a 2nd circle fan it's black 6 in desk fan and u can barley see it in the pic. 2 of the 3 took well to top ing above 2nd node and have 4 coLas the other has 2 cola. I know it's not a bad problem as a first attemp from seed , but i am afraid of mold and contact issues. Help
 

tom slick

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View attachment 3370967 View attachment 3370967 View attachment 3370968 UB. First time grower with real issue. I am quickly outgrowing my space. I have 3 plants who vegged for 6 weeks (wanted to take time and I topped later than I Wil next time ) vertical we can double but it's so bushy everything is everywhere and contacting walls and plants . This is week one of flower so I lowered temp to 70 to minimize stretch (maybe) I have added a 2nd circle fan it's black 6 in desk fan and u can barley see it in the pic. 2 of the 3 took well to top ing above 2nd node and have 4 coLas the other has 2 cola. I know it's not a bad problem as a first attemp from seed , but i am afraid of mold and contact issues. Help. Can I trim lower branches

3 plants nirvana white castel. 1 400 watt mh/hps setup air cooled 6 in inline fan space is 2 ft by 3.5 ft by 5 ft grown in coca Loco with go pro organic go box nutes
 

Uncle Ben

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View attachment 3370967 View attachment 3370967 View attachment 3370968 UB. First time grower with real issue. I am quickly outgrowing my space. I have 3 plants who vegged for 6 weeks (wanted to take time and I topped later than I Wil next time ) vertical we can double but it's so bushy everything is everywhere and contacting walls and plants . This is week one of flower so I lowered temp to 70 to minimize stretch (maybe) I have added a 2nd circle fan it's black 6 in desk fan and u can barley see it in the pic. 2 of the 3 took well to top ing above 2nd node and have 4 coLas the other has 2 cola. I know it's not a bad problem as a first attemp from seed , but i am afraid of mold and contact issues. Help. Can I trim lower branches

3 plants nirvana white castel. 1 400 watt mh/hps setup air cooled 6 in inline fan space is 2 ft by 3.5 ft by 5 ft grown in coca Loco with go pro organic go box nutes
High P foods induce stretch. Don't worry about the crowding as long as you have good air movement and a good exchange of room air. If I had to guess you're using a tent which I would never do or did. I use moveable reflecting panels to preclude the outward expanding footprint you're stuck with now.

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Just wondering if this is kinda what you're talking about. The above picture - it's the plant on the left - I topped around the 4th node but saw immediately it didn't work. You can see at the bottom of the close up that there are two separate chutes with buds but they didn't do more than that. . . . . .
No, that's not it. I/we have posted many photos. Start about 10 pages back and work your way up.

Good luck folks!
 

Uncle Ben

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Thanks boss.
Check out bienfrin. Don't believe it's used on trees but rather as a mound drench. Also very effective for mound control and what I use on acreage is Extinguish Plus. It's a bait. We have an epidemic of Fire ants, the ants from hell. I kick up the mound to piss 'em off, sprinkle about a TBSP. of bait around, they get pissed take it down into the mound whereby the queen and her princesses are nailed.
 

tom slick

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not a tent. Small closet so really thought I'd kill one by now and 2 would be fine. Lol I geuss I forgot it's a weed and will grow. Plenty of air move when lights on. Will start to keep a small circulator fan on at lights out. Thanx. Ps. It's a 12 week flower which is why I'm concerned
 

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I know I counted a small set of nodes with regular leaves as node 1 and a full sized as node 2 completely discounting the lil round leaves. Was questioning that myself but to late to cry now just need to make it worth the time and investment and learn for next one
 

OldSoul777

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I know I counted a small set of nodes with regular leaves as node 1 and a full sized as node 2 completely discounting the lil round leaves. Was questioning that myself but to late to cry now just need to make it worth the time and investment and learn for next one
I think you are still confused. Dont cut at all until there is 6-8 nodes then just cut above the 6-7 node. What you are doing is forcing the auxins to the lower branches so they grow out instead of up. You need side branches. you essentially just grew one top. If you are reading Uncle Bens directions on page 1 it nooks like you read wrong an cut where you were supposed to pinch. You will only be left with the amount of nodes under where you top. Do you follow me? Are you doing a SCROG? what kind of space are you growing in? Just trying to help for next time. It looks like you grew a healthy plant. I bet you would kick ass on your next grow!
 

tom slick

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400 hps/mh with 6 in exhaust 4 gallon pots cocA loco mediu . I am in a smal closet with fungicide paont and panda film to crate reflective sur face and 2 circ fand . I had 7 nodes (symetricly opposing sets of branches) when I cut Above what I thought was the 2nd node it was a long veg period. I cut off then immediately pinched the nub to stop the bleeding if u will. The 2nd node branches responded well and went straight up. The first nodes turned up and grew vigorously. The nodes off what I thought was the new coLas grew long branches above large fan leaves. Some growing additional growth points off the branches, Off the possible coLas. I read the first 30 pages of post and feel I followed pretty good. It's just bushy as hell!!! But all criticism is welcome as I am learning and I have read novels of threads to get equip order to proper care of plants and have found many consistency with what I have attempted. Just not smashed in a 2 by 3.5 by 5 ft space lol
 

OldSoul777

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400 hps/mh with 6 in exhaust 4 gallon pots cocA loco mediu . I am in a smal closet with fungicide paont and panda film to crate reflective sur face and 2 circ fand . I had 7 nodes (symetricly opposing sets of branches) when I cut Above what I thought was the 2nd node it was a long veg period. I cut off then immediately pinched the nub to stop the bleeding if u will. The 2nd node branches responded well and went straight up. The first nodes turned up and grew vigorously. The nodes off what I thought was the new coLas grew long branches above large fan leaves. Some growing additional growth points off the branches, Off the possible coLas. I read the first 30 pages of post and feel I followed pretty good. It's just bushy as hell!!! But all criticism is welcome as I am learning and I have read novels of threads to get equip order to proper care of plants and have found many consistency with what I have attempted. Just not smashed in a 2 by 3.5 by 5 ft space lol
you are very confused. when he says to pich he does not mean cut then pinch to stop bleeding. he means pinch the stem to damage the tissue a bit. it will then have a bulge at the base where you pinched it after it repairs itself. this strengthens the main stem where you pinch because it gets thick.. let it grow and cut above the 6-7 node. You will only be cutting a tiny piece off. Do NOT cut at the second node only pinch? I think I have to draw you a diagram. You really need to understand this if you plan on having a grow with any type of good yields.
 

tom slick

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From page one of the post


Selecting the point for topping to get 4 main colas
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To get 4 main colas, let your seedling or cutting (clone) grow to about 5-6 nodes and pinch out (cut) the stem just above the 2nd true node. The node where the cotyledons attach doesn't count.
 

OldSoul777

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From page one of the post

Selecting the point for topping to get 4 main colas
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To get 4 main colas, let your seedling or cutting (clone) grow to about 5-6 nodes and pinch out (cut) the stem just above the 2nd true node. The node where the cotyledons attach doesn't count.
Listen I am not going to argue with you about it. You are doing it wrong as you can see in your pics. If all you want is a top then just keep doing what you're doing and you will keep getting the same results. I dont know why he wrote cut 2nd node! Here is a pic of my plants. notice where I topped once then I topped again on the two new shoots a couple weeks later. This is how you plant should look! Just forget anything about the second node. cut it @ 6-7 node. I wish someone else would chime in. I see where it says cut but that makes no sense because the plant will never grow more nodes from the main stem above where you top it. You should have left those nodes you cut. If you want help I will be glad to. Its obvious that you are not doing it correct. I would never top below the 6th node.
 

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Listen I am not going to argue with you about it. You are doing it wrong as you can see in your pics. If all you want is a top then just keep doing what you're doing and you will keep getting the same results. I dont know why he wrote cut 2nd node! Here is a pic of my plants. notice where I topped once then I topped again on the two new shoots a couple weeks later. This is how you plant should look! Just forget anything about the second node. cut it @ 6-7 node. I wish someone else would chime in. I see where it says cut but that makes no sense because the plant will never grow more nodes from the main stem above where you top it. You should have left those nodes you cut. If you want help I will be glad to. Its obvious that you are not doing it correct. I would never top below the 6th node.
Dude sorry but your doing it wrong you have to remove everything above the second node for 4 tops. You wait till it has 6 tops to ensure the root system is in good enough shape for the topping. No way you have 4 nodes if you cut Above the 6 node that would mean you have 6 nodes and 12 tops but not 12 dominate tops unless you stripped everything below the 2 top nodes i.e removing 4 nodes.

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OldSoul777

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Dude sorry but your doing it wrong you have to remove everything above the second node for 4 tops. You wait till it has 6 tops to ensure the root system is in good enough shape for the topping. No way you have 4 nodes if you cut Above the 6 node that would mean you have 6 nodes and 12 tops but not 12 dominate tops unless you stripped everything below the 2 top nodes i.e removing 4 nodes.

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i guess if you want 4 tops and nothing else. Not sure why you would want to do that. the tips of buds are the most potent. huge buds are more at risk for mold and take longer to dry out. I have never heard of this method. When I saw for tops i am thinking its those along with the rest of the plant. 4 main colas but with the rest of the plant. If I am wrong I apologize. He has no pics to look at to see what he is talking about. Why do you only want to grow tops opposed to a SOG or SCROG??
 
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